Owen actually bottoming for him was peak, sent me to heaven too bruv. <3
Bruh, why are the adults trying to listen in on them...
Sorry but do people reading this need educating on consent? The uke tries to force himself on the seme and gets mad when he says no! Tough that the guy you slept with doesn't remember what happened, no means no! All the other instances of sex between them are also rape through coercion. If someone says yes because you guilt tripped them, that's not consent. Also lying to someone to initiate sex is also rape so his plan to get him to fall for him only to dump his is also a form of rape as they wouldn't have consented to sex knowing the person's full intentions.
There was no malicious intent behind what the seme did, but for the uke there most definitely was. Are people turning a blind eye because the uke is the one being rapey? If so, educate yourself plz because all of this is really important to know if terms of protecting yourself, validating other victims and not being a perpetrator yourself.
I haven't even thought about the whole lying situation, but you're right. Can't believe you're getting downvoted when it's also helping readers protect themselves irl. Doesn't mean the story is bad of shouldn't be consumed or whatever.
Thanks so much. Yeah I don't mean to say the story is bad or you shouldn't read it, but it was just concerning to see no one else say something and made me worry they couldn't recognise it?
I can tell this is a lot of people's comfort read based on the comments so I was expecting downvotes and don't blame them.
I'm glad you pointed it out! Especially younger readers don't know much about consent yet, at least I didn't when I was younger...
Well, it's still a little sad that the initial reaction is to reject an objective statement just because you love the story. I think it's hard for many people to enjoy a story but admit it has flaws. Many fans treat it like a black or white thing. To them, a story is either bad or good, enjoyable or not enjoyable, but that's a harmful perception. You know, one of my favorite BLs and comfort reads is the novel Heaven Official's Blessing. One time, I pointed out how badly the women are treated in the novel—by the narrative, by other characters within the universe, and just the way they were written. I provided examples, said it in a way that wasn't blaming the author or fans, but genre conventions, cultural influences, etc., and I still received so much hate. It's strange because I love the novel so much, so I want to talk about it deeply, and acknowledge that there are flaws so future writers may be more aware of their internalized misogyny.
Same about consent! I do understand why people love Therapy Game. The characters feel very real, and I like how the ML acknowledges his bisexuality and actually stands up against his homophobic friends, and how the MC is confidently gay! That's not common in BLs. The art style is beautiful, too. Their relationship doesn't have to be perfect, it's fiction after all, but it's not the "super sweet" romance everyone makes this out to be. It doesn't have to be. Just people being aware of this is what we need.
Aw thanks so much. Well said and agreed, I've been in your position before and it can be alienating and frustrating to be misunderstood because of how people perceive it. I think it's great how unique and different people's perspectives are but it can definitely be sucky to be in the position of seeing something others don't, especially if it's morally wrong.
I'll have to give Heaven Official's Blessing a read, I've seen it's had a mahnwa adaptation so I wonder if the treatment of women was addresses in that?
Well said, nothings perfect and I know it's well loved for a reason. I hate how so many stories depict bisexuality so I definitely appreciate that.
Thanks for such a lovely and insightful response, definitely wasn't expecting that on here. <3
Thank you, too! <3
I don't think it's any different there. Only the demeaning narrative is missing, I guess. The manhwa cuts out a loooot of things, though, so it might be hard to follow (I only read the first two chapters bc I don't like the art style). I'd always recommend the novel haha (and anime).
Yeah, same. That's why I wish stories and dynamics were more diverse when it comes to BL in general. But every genre has its problems. Let's not stop talking about tropes and issues!
Its not that deep
yeah... exactly
Is there any femdom stories out there where the FL is down bad for the guy they are into and aren't rapey? It's so weird how it seems like every femdom I try they make the FL the most unlikeable person ever and a total rapist, but only to male characters. If there is a girl on girl plot it is so much more respectful. I can only get my fix from BL because outside of that it's difficult to find straight content where the male sub isn't a complete and utter doormat who falls for someone who rapes when over and over.
Jiwoo’s master, if memory serves me right. She’s not perfect but she can’t stand making him sad
Most of the main cast are so unlikeable it's difficult to enjoy any of the smut. I especially don't like the women with the femboy, it's really icky the way she treats him and it's a massive turn off. In general there's just way too much body shaming of the male characters, lack of communication and shirty behaviour from the main female cast I can't help but not like them. Some are alright, but there's some rapey moments that I feel like no one cares about?
I don't know if I'm just not into their sexual dynamic, but I'm not feeling this. I don't find long hair in men attractive so that doesn't help, although it looks good on the top at least. There is so much sex early on as well so it's difficult to not be put off if you don't find them physically attractive. I really don't like the bottom and it's off putting how down bad the top is right off the bat. Can someone convince me to get why it's good because everyone's saying it's good and I'm only 8 pages in and want to drop it.
Something about Beoms character seems incredibly unrealistic. I've seen people say there is no SA in this but ultimately Beom is sleeping with all these people because of the MC, not because he wants to. It makes it unsatisfactory for Beom to be completely infatuated with a man, who to me, is undeserving. Again only on chap 8 but still, I hate pushovers no matter if they are a top ot bottom.
Thanks Noa, sorry you're getting hate. Honestly really surprised to see people getting so worked up by the correction when anyone who had issues with the yoshi translation last upload was mocked. But now Noa puts in the effort to do the story right, they act offended and want to take the moral high ground? Something weird about the logic here, I genuinely thought everyone defending the "dih" thing was a troll? I just find it very ironic. Can't both sides be happy now?
It’s genuinely not that serious but the “dih” part was just humor and the translation wasn’t even bad at all. What are they even trying to fix? There’s nothing to fix, the translation is fine. “Defending dih” as if it was ever that deep, the whole point is that they’re going out of their way to translate chapters and they’re adding humor isn’t even all that crazy. They re uploaded with a “fixed” translation over the one that was already fine they didn’t even put any effort lmfao they just changed that part and kept the rest lmfaoooo
You aren't entitled to praise for translating something if you're basically sabotaging it for people who are taking it seriously. For you to genuinely be that unbothered by the original Yoshi translation I don't think you were emersed in the story in the slightest, so why get so defensive when someone corrects it to make it make sense? You say it's not that serious but you clearly seem bothered.
Yes I’m bothered because the translation simply isn’t that serious to begin with. Sabotaging what? If people were actually taking anything seriously they would buy the actual chapter and read it as I said we’re getting this translation for free, so that’s why I’m unbothered. I am immersed in the story, but a word like dih doesn’t offend me and it shouldn’t lmfaoo if that word offends you or makes you mad that’s just you. Everyone has a stick up their ahh it’s fiction it’s a story