Folx expectations of characters acting like "mature adults" and acting like "real human beings" always come off as incredibly naive to me. Have you stepped outside and looked at the world lately...? Don't you have friends? Or just exist among different human groups. I wonder if you realise that if your own lives were made into a webtoon how contrived and "immature" and stupid many of your actions would seem to the reader. (I know mine would. But also he's got crazy untreated trauma and history of abuse. Of course, his decision making skills are whack.)
From a different angle, sometimes I think those kind of critiques make sense and sometimes I wonder if we don't realize how completely bonkers these plots are and the line we draw on what's "contrived" is hilarious . If Sejoon was the sensible adult human mature wisdom titan there's no way he should have allowed some random mafia dude to take over his life in the first place...and certainly *after* the reveal he shouldn't ask for *time* he should maybe plan to leave the country to escape all these obsessive psychos, one of whom takes a pledge of love to 5 year old seriously.
Omg the artist change has just about ruined this for me! I was ready to continue reading in Tappytoon but the change is too drastic. Lemme go back and unsubscribe 'cause nu uh. I hope Bada is okay and the change didn't happen for health reasons.
Sir, you are very dunce. That's all I have to say.
Everyone has been keeping secrets from him. Poor ting. :(
This comment section has me howling. No one has time for Do-yoon.
I thought he took cooking classes? RIP to those office workers.
Mind you the way it's written predisposes folx to sympathize with Taehon. (And dick gobbling as Sejun's immediate response is truly a bad/ridiculous writer decision please lol.) But what's not clicking? Taehon was involved in the murder of one parent and the permanent disabling of another even if it was as a helpless pawn. Is Sejun supposed to get over that in 5 minutes? Do your parents hate you that much that you can't figure out why Sejun is angry and thoughts of "he was a child" aren't particularly helpful in his processing of this traumatic reveal? Is it that difficult to discern how unmoored he feels in learning that the person who helped him escape his deceptive, manipulative cousin was also actively deceiving him in turn? (Which is why he has put things back on purely transactional terms.) That indeed he was connected to the circumstances that placed him in that abusive situation. From his pov this is a fucking horror show he can't escape. The writer isn't actually giving this development the weight it deserves...which is exactly why you're all annoyed and mad at Sejun (also you too are dick addled) so...nevermind. Carry on lol. Boo Sejun you hor. (●'◡'●)ﾉ
Me: Damn, bredda looks crazed.
Him: He looks like a kid in a candy shop.
Me: ...you should probably have that kid checked out.
(Later)
Him: Those are the kind eyes I'm used to!
I started out wanting Ian and Joseph together. I know so many prefer the lead that will have man dodging bullets and being targeted in his enemy's gangbang revenge plot but I love the sweet and supportive type who bakes bread and takes his man out to watch meteor showers, always!
Love (that involves respect and trust) cannot be about lies, secrets and manipulation until you're forced to tell the truth. We understand why Taehon hid the truth from him but it was wrong. Period. He had time to tell Sejun the truth and he didn't because of his guilt over a terrible secret. He was a child then and a victim, yes. But so was Sejun. And as adults Taehon chose to treat Sejun as if he was still 5 so he could perform the rescue he couldn't then but in the process made Sejun a victim of others machinations and manipulations all over again.
He has every right to feel betrayed and to conclude that Taehon was only using him. If for nothing Sejun should have had the choice of deciding if he wanted to become this emotionally entangled with someone connected to the most traumatic, painful part of his life. I for sure wouldn't. There is not enough therapy money or good dick in the world.
(I mean OBV I want them to end up together. I am here for the fucked up storylines and over the top angst. But if Sejun heard this story and his reaction was "OMG, you really do love me. " I would have thought he was deaf or crack addled.)
These webtoons are so funny with these bottoms waking up thinking it was all a dream. HOW. Is your ass not about to drop out and off? Please.
I can't believe we went through that FOREVER flashback arc which ended in death only to return to a present that brings the same characters and readers back to (what feels like) the exact same point. It's a repetition of all the same beats. I get the story logic of it but I find the repetition tedious and bereft of all tension. Alive, dead, whatever, all I want at this point is a solid development in which the characters get to do and be something else damn.
So, I'll share a link: ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7292083/. For a quote:
"Female ejaculation or squirting is a well‐known phenomenon among urologists, but there are no scientific articles on mSQ, despite this term being widely used in mass media. In this case study, we describe the first recording of mSQ using color Doppler ultrasonography. We show that mSQ is a phenomenon in which urine in the bladder gushes out from the external urethral orifice due to strong contraction of prostate and pelvic striated muscles, if penile stimulation is continued after ejaculation. These results provide the first scientific basis for a publicly known phenomenon." msQ= male squirting
*Anyway* back to the story:
We are truly at the bottom of the barrel when someone wearing a condom and being a considerate human being is "sexy" why am I still here with this story. Sigh. :(
Where is the badass omega that opened this title? All he does now is bow to whatever this asshole wants. Why are creators' imaginations so limited when it comes to writing for omega characters. Those slaps aren't impressive if it's just going to be followed by a whimper and a "I have to do what he wants to save my alpha cry cry." Come up with a plan, ffs.
Okay but why does the child have to be present for Hot Grandpa’s Bigoted Dinner Hour? He doesn’t have a nice maid they could have left him with?
The boss was very obviously out of line on every point like what do some of y’all mean. Doesn’t turn up when he said he would, doesn’t explain why or apologize, then verbally harasses him about a potential job decision that is professionally and personally none of his business unless and until his subordinate chooses to make it so. Our boy overthinks, sure, but the boss is an inconsistent jerkwad and always has been. I’d have told him to do a lot more than “shut up”.
He is not the worst red flag I've read but somehow he comes off as so sinister. Ugh.
I leave the comments that I do for stories where characters say explicity, in officially translated English: "No." "I don't like this." "Wait." "Stop" With clearly drawn expressions of anxiety, of distress, of coerced physical response. And readers who swear on their ancestors graves and their favourite soda that "This is just fiction" and "Everybody knows what they're reading" will reveal the exact opposite. So here we go. This is long.
In sexual relationships, consent is present when it is *clearly* communicated: whether that's vocally, in sign language, however the parties involve best communicate. When anyone communicates "No" and the partner does not stop, does not check in with their partner but continues to have sex, the experience has become *nonconsensual*. It's not dubious. Where is the doubt in "No"? You are not a psychic. You are not a god. You do not have access to the partner's inner thoughts. It does not matter if their genitals have turned into the largest waterfall or the biggest mountain in your country. No means no, *unless* the partners involved have agreed to a sexual relationship in which they role play dubcon/rape scenarios and have a safe word that either will use if they want to stop.
Even *if* a partner involve changes their mind after they rejected another's sexual advances before *at best* the situation is a coerced sexual encounter and still a violation. Why? Because the person tried to assert their agency, their will, and was ignored. They were rendered powerless and any decisions made in a situation where you feel you cannot control what happens to you because the other will not listen is *compromised*. It is violence.
We know there are dubcon stories out there but *key aspects* of evaluating those stories is a lack of a "No" or similar rejection of the advance AND the reader having access to that character's inner thoughts. In thise case we would know know exactly what Woo Won is feeling, his uncertainty, hesitation and so on. None of that is present in chapters 59 or 60. What we get is Seo-An's thoughts which automatically put the reader in *his* position and makes us more sympathetic towards him rather than Woo Won. Some comments here play into another big myth: that partners in romantic relationships can't rape each other or there's some kind of higher threshold they have to meet. If they are already in a relationship and love each other if someone says "No" he doesn't really mean it, they must mean something else it, it must be maybe, not now or 5 minutes later, or let me shower first. In chapter X Woo Won was into it so he has to want it now no matter what.
All of that? It's rape logic. It's rape culture.
Look. It's okay to read fucked up stories. It does not make you a bad a person. But it is critical that we understand what we're reading. If you refuse to recognise it in a webtoon on a screen you're reading in private how the hell are you going to do so IRL?
BL is filled with stories where characters say, "No" "It hurts" "I don't want to" "Stop" and then the couple falls into a happily ever after with no consequences. Or the characters, say "No" and then later "Oh, I didn't mean it, tee hee" without the writers showing the couple having a discussion about what they're into sexually, how they get off on dubcon, and so these are the terms. These are unrealistic normalizations of dysfunctional abusive relationships, for the most part. Some writers are good at writing these taboo situations because they understand the dynamics and what gets readers gagging. But most of the time, imo, indulge in a careless romanticization of rape and an erasure of trauma in a world where sexual violence is not taken seriously, especially when partners are in a queer relationship.
Please search for resources on this issue. There is nothing wrong with being "rape-sensitive" ffs. Everyone should be!
I know this is supposed to be cute (?) or whatever but man, that kid might have really needed a friend. He could have been queer without community. I dislike this side to Dojae and I dislike how people incorrectly use neurodivergency to excuse it. Sigh.