Wait a damn minute?????
"They are all supposed to be hot and entertaining, not to represent actual gay sex or to be a sex education."
You did not just call rape, pedophilia, abuse in yaoi hot?? Girl bye, this why we hate ya'll 2 reply
Letting ciswomen fetishize and romanticize rape, abuse, and pedophilia is what we're not going to do. Take responsibility and listen to mlm voices. LGBTQ+ people have the right to call ya'll on your bullshit lmao. And *because* you're cishet women, no, you do not get a say in what is and isn't fetishization. It really is not that difficult to under...... 4 reply
I think it really depends on the type of gay manga you're consuming. If it's not hyper-romanticizing rape, pedophilia, or abusive relationships, then it's fair game. But if, as a ciswoman, you always skip to the sex scenes then yes you fetishize gay relationships :/ Please don't do this, we do not like it. reply
I don't understand what ya'll don't get. Do you want to go back to the days where we DIDN'T call you cishets out on your bullshit? How are we supposed to reform the yaoi community when the people who make it up (a disproportionate size of cishet women) decide to talk over our voices?
Let me make myself clear:
- Reading yaoi does not make you inherently bad. - Reading yaoi solely because you find gay sex hot is bad. - Reading yaoi because you're interested in the plot and the characters, rather than the sex, is what you should be doing. - Watching gay porn as a cishet woman is not negotiable. Just because you get off to it doesn't mean you should. - As cis-women, you literally do not get a say in what is and isn't fetishization. If you wouldn't tell me, a black person, what is and isn't the fetishization of my race, then I bet not catch ya'll trying to talk over mlm, wlw, and any LGBTQ discourse.
At the end of the day, you'll keep on doing what you're doing. And hey, all the power to you. Just don't try and spit in my face cause *you're* offended that I called a horse a horse, that I said the sky was blue, and that I said that you're a disgusting fucking fetishizer.
If you agree with men not having an opinion on abortion rights unless it is 100% in support, then please tell me how you justify talking over mlm people who tell you that watching gay porn or fetishizing gay manga (yaoi) is bad. Cis people shouldn't have an opinion on queer topics unless it is in support (not blind support, just advocating for basic human rights).
This is to clarify to cis women why watching gay porn is bad and how fetishizing gay couples is wrong.
First off, at the end of the day, you'll do whatever you want. I can't force you to NOT do it so feel free to scroll past or even debate me in the comments. Let's keep it civil.
1) Why cis women watching gay porn is fetishizing - As cis women, you will never and can never experience what it feels like to be a gay man. I have seen a surprising number of women say that the only reason they'd want to be a man is to be gay. It's a rather odd phenomenon, but I believe it's because of the unrealistic portrayals of gay sex. I'm sorry to break it to you, but gay sex is not the same as 'yaoi' sex. I'm sure you all have enough of a brain to understand that, but to further my point I believe a lot of cis women want to be in a gay relationship to be the 'uke'...which doesn't make sense since you'd be at the receiving end of sex with a man as a woman anyway. These are all from personal experiences, mind you, and if you've had a different experience then I'd love to hear it. Let's cut into how this is harmful;
- The bottom (which I will be referring to as the 'uke') is typically hyperfeminized and given youthful, 'girly' features. While this is not inherently bad, when gay content is being produced by cis women it is not a surprise that they feminized the receiver and masculinized the giver. It's something very heteronormative and easy to digest content for cis women because that is what they are used to. Seeing lists of manga tagged "uke-like seme" because the seme presents more femininely or isn't as masculine as the uke, or "seme on seme" which is an oxymoron but roughly translates to two masculine men having sex/falling in love with each other, are all topics of concern to me. For fujoshi's, the lines between fiction and reality blur. Please never call an actual gay bottom an 'uke' or act surprised when a masculine man says they are a bottom. Gay culture is far more complex then your 'uke-seme' labels, and using these labels regularly not only erases gay culture but also forces it to conform to straight sex roles (both in sex and in society).
- My last point on this issue. If the gay community tells you that something is fetishization, it is not in your place to tell them otherwise. You come off as entitled, and while not blatantly homophobic, it comes off as you trying to police what is and isn't homophobic. Just listen, for gods sake.
2) Fetishizing gay couples ('yaoi couples')
- I can't believe I have to explain to you how this is bad but...to put it simply, reading a gay manga just because you want to see the sex is fetishizing. Reading it because you find gay sex 'hot' is fetishizing. You are no better than straight men fetishizing lesbian and bi women.
- Not all yaoi is bad, but a large majority is. If you wouldn't read this in a straight couple, don't read it in yaoi. Rape, abuse, and pedophilia is WAYYY too normalized in the fujoshi community.
- Please just listen to queer people when we correct you on your behavior. Do not take it to heart, we're literally trying to make YOU better people. Ignoring us and continuing to do it cause you're deadass addicted to gay men fucking each other is a new low.
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