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Xue Tao July 27, 2019 6:49 am

All the BL manhua I've ever read are not as good as yaoi and shonen-ai manga. I find many flaws in both their art and writing. This time, Hualongji drives me crazy. Its artwork is superbly beautiful, the story is unexpectedly satisfying. However, the plot sure is all over the place. I began to read when more than 200 chapters were translated (not to English, so sad) so I can more or less grab what's happening. You should know that later on, the authors will introduce 2 or 3 more couples, and the chapters will switch between these couples alternatively. There're extras set in parallel universe (aka noncanon story about the child of Yu Heng and Qiong Tian). Once, the main story also abruptly changes setting and characters all change their profiles (trapped in an illusionary world, sort like Inception). The clues lead to the main antagonist(s) keep our heroes on a wild goose chase through different places and people. So if you fall in love with Hualongji like myself, prepare yourself for a bumpy ride to read one chapter at a time and try to figure out when what is happening to whom.
A tip: the flashback scenes have black frames instead of white frames of the normal
scenes.
Also, the kisses are usually covered (like Yuri on Ice). There are some yaoi pics that are already blur censored, but the authors only post them to their weibo social networks, not even the official raw site have them. Lets hope the English translators get the whole thing.

    agathat July 30, 2019 7:03 am

    There are missing chapters... and yes, BL manhua are not as good as BL mangas, but you can see the same with other types of manhuas!!! Maybe it is something cultural, because I have seen the same with other types of manhua and webtoons, not all are like this, several are in fact good, but I suspect it is a cultural thing and I also suspect there is a language barrier and cultural barrier, some stuff are better explained using the original language than english!!!

    Xue Tao July 30, 2019 2:00 pm
    There are missing chapters... and yes, BL manhua are not as good as BL mangas, but you can see the same with other types of manhuas!!! Maybe it is something cultural, because I have seen the same with other typ... agathat

    You have a point, dear friend, but I doubt that it's a language or cultural barriers problem. My mother tongue is deep rooted in Chinese, and my culture shares so many aspects with the Han people. There's nothing from the Big Empire that is strange to me. Usually, I read manhua (BL and non-BL) already translated to my language like Hualongji. In comparison, Japanese culture to me is more unfamiliar, and I approach manga through English translations.
    So when I stated that the BL manhua I read are not as good as manga, I strictly implied their quality, especially the structure and the storytelling which are so disorganized and lacking in meaningful concepts that I question whether or not the authors really know where are they heading. Their artworks are also very uneven, not always maintain the styles, the visual effects and rich detailed background from chapter to chapter, which I hardly miss in manga. I'm not sure what to say, maybe I feel the art of manhua is not "ripened". The best thing I found in manhua is their uniqueness, not always much attractive or pleasant.
    (Of course I know that there are superior manhua out there that I simply haven't read yet, so my speaking here is only based on personal experiences, hope that the sensitive ones don't feel offended.)
    Back in the case of Hualongji, this is the first manhua I admire so much, both art and writing with fine characters that make me care for. What I like best is the fact that the authors are very attentive. They put a wonderful fan service artwork as the head page of every chapter. How nice! So I wish to share my good time reading Hualongji with everyone here. However, putting myself in an English speaking reader's shoes, I imagine the irritation you may find, and I put some notices and tips in hope that you can be a little more patient with the story :) I believe the artwork is worth it.
    So sad, the translation to my language is the fullest so far, if only I had time and permission from the translators, I would do my best to translate all 100 chapters I read to English for you all.

    agathat July 30, 2019 5:53 pm

    I have to admit japanese mangas a well made while mahua looks more like unprofessional, in fact, many japanese mangas you can guess the plot looking the raws even though you don't know japanese!!!

    Manhua is more rushing, and many times lack details, it is really cliché, some can be really unoriginal and they make rape and abuse as normal and romantic (something I hate)... and they repeat and repeat the same problems and don't know when to end the story!!!

    And I have to admit I don't really like BL manhua for some exceptions, in this case I like the characters, sadly, there are chapter missing and I feel I understand better the story in the Spanish version!!!

    It is like Japanese have been doing mangas for a long time while manhua just began, also, Japanese editors and publishing companies are really stricts with quality and even the readers are manga "gourmets", so it is normal the quality of tte image and story flow, even though many mangas are bad or badky done!!!

    But yep... even I that I have zero japanese blood can really understand better a japanese manga than a manhua...


    Well... they are not perfect, I hate Japanese dramas (doramas) while I love Korean dramas, I feel the koreans do a better job doing a dorama even if it from a japanese manga!!!

    To be honest, I have no idea about China, except that almost all romances in Chinese novels and manhua there are physical and mental abuse, rape, and is the victim fault instead the agressor... or I have the bad luck to only get those kind of romances!!!

    Xue Tao July 31, 2019 3:48 am
    I have to admit japanese mangas a well made while mahua looks more like unprofessional, in fact, many japanese mangas you can guess the plot looking the raws even though you don't know japanese!!!Manhua is more... agathat

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. May we chit chat a little more? It's fun to have someone to discuss BL with. I hesitate in talking to people from the fangirl (fujoshi) community in my place. I don't follow their interests or what they consider hot trends in entertainment (manga, movies, music, etc.), so I feel very shy and perplexed whenever they get enthusiastic or quarreling over something. I think I'm just too quaint to fit in.
    About BL manhua, you indicate everything's wrong with it. I guess they're at their best in one-shot, in which the unique of art is emphasized. Meanwhile, serializing bring out too many weaknesses in storytelling techniques. I may sound shallow in asking for "techniques" in an artform here, of course if the story is worth telling, there's no need to pull tricks to make people follow it, but has any BL manhua found many stories of such demanding quality?
    Yaoi and shounen ai manga have a longer time than BL manhua have to perfect their existence. So do you think I'm a little unfair to compare BL manhua and manga? Not to mention that Chinese authors (in all media, manhua and movies and literature) are victims of an imbecile and homophobic censorship system. I don't have any issue with their homophobia, but I'm furious that they deny their artists the freedom in creativity. Practicing BL art or any art at all in an environment like China appears too tiresome to me.
    You mention watching doramas and Korean dramas. Well I admit now I'm not to fond of any. Around 1990s and 2000s, Korean dramas were a must to me, some were wittily humorous, many more were bittersweet, romantic, even poetic in cinematography. Recently, they drag more and more, the actors are duller, and most of the jokes are rubbish. On the other hand, doramas are always too heavy and slow-paced. You think doramas don't do manga justice. I think you're right. Japanese art of acting is likely to carry a good restraint which can't go along with exaggerated emotions that are the soul of manga. In contrast, the Koreans love to dramatize, no wonder they embrace manga in their TV shows.
    Your history with Chinese romance novels and manhua seems frustrating. Do you mean all romance or only BL ones? I gave up Chinese BG novels a long time ago, but it's true that in both Chinese BG and BL novels, raping and angst are popular themes. However, I only stumble into disturbing stories once in a while. In your case, maybe it's due to the choices of the translators?
    My reading varies, mostly something's sweet, lovey dovey, warm-hearted, sensual or hilarious. There're stories of heartbreaking and nostalgia as well. At the beginning of novels, there's usually an introduction with tags and cautions from the writers. You can avoid what you dislike by reading this first. For example, I stay away from any BE or SE tagged stories, younger seme is another mustn't. If the novel is tagged "couple reunites", you should think twice, since the reason they broke up from the first place may involve abuse, rape or victim blaming, just what you hate.
    I'm sorry that you don't like rape in BL, but I think it's a hook of the genre, manhua or manga. Unlike the BG genre which I always link with reality, I treat BL as a dream world where wishes for any type of amour and sex are allowed. I can enjoy depiction of rape fantasies and taboo relationships like student-teacher without the burden of morality and relevance. I want a rapist in a BG story to be jailed, but I want the rape in BL turns consensual. A teacher's desire for a schoolgirl is unacceptable and despicable in real life and BG, but I find it's very cute and tempting if he cares for the schoolboy in BL. When I began to read BL, I tended to like the aggressive seme type, but with time, I become bored with the passive uke who keeps playing hard to get in such stories. Uke like Qiong Tian who pursues the seme is my favorite, so for a while now, I don't happen to read any stories with rape issues.
    As for this manhua Hualongji, I've just checked out the latest 2 chapters. Bad news. The pages are missing again. So I won't advice any reader to be patient with this translation. When the manhua ends and the English translation doesn't get any better, I'll try to find a way to redo it. For now, you should stick with the Spanish one if you can, I saw it on Facebook, it looks quite decent, though I don't understand the language. If you feel like talking about Hualongji anytime, I'm happy to. Again, thank you.

    agathat August 1, 2019 10:45 am

    I heard the problems BL authors have in China, I heard about one that her story was plagiarized, the stolen work changed the BL for straigh couple, it became popular and now the thief author is asking the original author to eliminate her story or she will sue her and sadly she will win necause the Chinese governement will not recognize the BL novel as the original!!!

    In BL Manhua and Manga rape is common, but many times it is only once, some of my favorite pairs in BL manga began with a rape, sadky I'm not really ok about the rape and after they vall in love cliché, being victim of rape myself...

    My biggest complain in rape un Manhua is in non-BL stories, were Main female character suffer rape and abuse from the man she loves and many times they end happy together forgotting the abuse, for once I will love to see one of these mc say Fuck You and make the ML suffer and been happy with a good guy!!! Also, many times the story makes you understand it is the victim fault all the abuse, only when she become submissive and obey when she becomes happy!!!

    Also, Manhuas authors don't know how to finish a story, they continue and continue and continue giving problems to the mc, many times repeating the problems, so I get bored after some time, therw are exceptions, but some stories I would love they finish them... it is like USA tv shows, they try to get the most of it making it too long and adding unnecessary things in it!!!

    Same wirh doramas, they used to be good, but now they are like the Mexican Telenovelas, you onky need to see the begining and the end, all the middle is only filling... well, I saw two goods though, but they became to commercial!!
    In this moment I'm loving the strong uke, I'm tired of the feminine and jealous ukes, I love ukes than, even though not as strong as the seme, they stand in the same level, they are manly and strong (even though physically they are not) and I love ukes that look like seme!!!

    Also I love to see really strong seme, respected and even feared.... but the one who is the boss jn the relatuonship is the uke!!! And I'm addicted to the omegaverse, not all of them, some are really bad and not different to cheap porno, but many have deep stories, many times sex is not that important in the story, and I love those stories!!!

    Xue Tao August 1, 2019 4:58 pm
    I heard the problems BL authors have in China, I heard about one that her story was plagiarized, the stolen work changed the BL for straigh couple, it became popular and now the thief author is asking the origi... agathat

    Maybe I'm just another desperate escapist running away from the bitter truth of real life. Therefore I try hard to avoid any portrayal of rape in non-BL. It tends to trigger my empathy for the female victim. The egoist me can't help thinking "what should she (I) do in that situation?", and all the romances in the story are destroyed since I can't accept such a horrible crime (even has been sugar-coated) to happen. If it's in BL, I'm spared the fear and anger because I hardly feel the link between the uke and myself.
    I understand your complaint about Chinese straight romance novels and manhua. I give up on them because it's hopeless to make the main characters reasonable human beings. The female MC are badly categorized as 3 types: humiliating moron, vexing bitch, and hypocrite, and they never have a chance to stay away from the bastards. The male MC are degraded to the point that their only purpose in life is to fuck the female. And yet somehow the author hypnotizes herself/himself that a tearjerker love story has been told.
    I also don't have patience for TV shows anymore, 20 episodes in total are enough to build any decent story, and yet we have to tolerate season 4, 5, 6, 100, 200 with 10 episodes for each season to finally reach the ending. For now, I'll stick with anything that ends within 1 episode (180 minutes max).
    You mentioned Korean dramas. It struck a lingering feeling in me, so may I ask what's your favorite? Is there any good recently? I stop watching them for 5 years already.
    It seems that Hualongji is the manhua just for you. Qiong Tian sure is the boss in the romance. He keeps teasing Yu Heng to make the master admit that he loves and lusts for his own student.
    As for myself, I prefer the uke a virgin, not burly, and not older than his seme, and I like manly and strong uke like you said. The uke should be the one who realizes his love and works his best to pursue it. I think a uke keeps crying "yamete" (no, no, stop it) is very annoying. I enjoy some omegaverse, but don't fall for them in general. The genre basic rules are heavy depended on sexual things, it implies that the actions and plot main concerns are the character's libidinous, not love. (Of course it's not always that way).

    kaname rei August 9, 2019 3:59 am
    I heard the problems BL authors have in China, I heard about one that her story was plagiarized, the stolen work changed the BL for straigh couple, it became popular and now the thief author is asking the origi... agathat

    Omg I know that BL novel that got plagiarized alfjfhsa I was so so so mad because I love the plot so much :((

    The plagiarized one even got a live action movie and drama, I-I alflfjasjjd but the original...... Cries

    agathat August 9, 2019 3:48 pm
    Omg I know that BL novel that got plagiarized alfjfhsa I was so so so mad because I love the plot so much :((The plagiarized one even got a live action movie and drama, I-I alflfjasjjd but the original...... Cr... kaname rei

    That same one... I didn't know it was plagiarized when I was seeing the drama, but my senior Fujioshi told me about it... I couldn't finish the drama of how angry I was...

    But in Japan happened the same with a yaoi mangaka, she sued another mangaka because in her manga she copied several scenes from her manga, we saw in internet that was like that, but the one who plagiarized won because he mother is a really respectable and important person and you know how Japanese love the castle system, kiss important people feet and how the honor of important people is more important than justice and the true, at the end our mangaka, the victim, was legally obligated to stop drawing and making mangas for some time... even though that time already passed I heard she decided to not continue making mangas of how angry she was with the system!!!

    Amarynthia August 21, 2019 5:42 pm
    I heard the problems BL authors have in China, I heard about one that her story was plagiarized, the stolen work changed the BL for straigh couple, it became popular and now the thief author is asking the origi... agathat

    What was the name of the one that was plagiarised? I always forget to ask.

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