I swear to God I hate this .She was gone for most of the story line .Why her presence ruins everything for Athy and her father.She is too naive and selfish .She doesn't even feel like she is getting used .How unfortunate.I want Luca to come and heal his ass already .It's getting annoying.
I swear to God this abusive relationship is toxic.Yes the sex scenes are hot and yes both relationships feels like stallckhom syndrome (sorry if I wrote the name wrong ).I mean typical yaoi .Have nothing against this tho.Its just ,the story feels odd and somehow unhealthy .I hope there are ppl who doesn't think the manga is hot and romantic and that's how relationship works . Please consider this hentai and only hentai with plot.XDDD
Its not real life bud chill out let people enjoy the shit they want. Believe it or not people are able to differentiate real life from fiction.
I think that's the point but honestly I feel the same way, like found the raws from a freaking 17 year old on Tumblr and see a lot of kids in general acting like liking this is the cool thing to do, like no stahp. It's good because it's a unique kind of twisted the author is very creative (and I gotta wonder where she got her inspiration like who hurt you? Jk) But dear god I hope the kids reading this don't think this is actually a good kind of relationship, something they should seek out, it just really bothers me because I'm friends with a young impressionable girl who is also into twisted crap to get back at her mom (long story) who would seriously dive head first into this crap and live it to add to the ways she messes with her parents. I feel like a lot of kids reading this are probably the same. If you take it and leave it as fantasy cool fine I don't care but you stupid freaking kids I swear to god I will hunt you down and smother you with ice cream or something idk.
I started reading this when I was 15 , I'm 20 now. I feel normal. Only been here for Azusa and want his happiness XD. And April Chan ( the girl who translates) is really kind don't worry about it. In Japan this manga is in the 16 plus section of the store. Which is so weird but apparently there's even weirder shit so...
That's comforting to hear thank you for letting me know Although holy heck 16+ with worse stuff, maybe Japanese kids are just mentally stable af XD When I was young I just read fluff stories and when I accidentally came across my first psychological trauma that was an incest story with the brother sleeping around with older guys (including his step fathers) because his brother couldn't love him in an incestuous way I was emotionally wrecked But I guess there must be a lot of kids better at handling it than I did and hopefully making good life choices. I'm also definitely not saying this as in "How dare this manga exist, it should be taken off the shelves!" Just kids, be smart yo. >:o
I agree! I would also read fluff but then I read one of ogawas stories... And my poor heart was like noup , goodbye. Then I found Caste heaven and I loveeeeed Azusa. I just want him to be happy... I know what happens in chapter 29 though....and it's been killing me for two months already. I hate when she goes on a hiatus. XD after Caste heaven ends I'm going back to fluff.
Although I would normally agree and sway away from the same toxic and redundant trope but this isn't really the same thing. This manga is intentionally painted out to be dark and psychological and it is not trying to romanticize rape or toxic and abusive relationships like the same old redundant themes you see in yaoi. Believe me I know how awful fujoshis can get with them. Their relationship is intentionally built to be codependence. Azusa is not being tricked by Karino. He knows what hes getting into. He's not helplessly falling in love with his 'captor.' They're both using each other. Although I believe they also need each other. Karino needs Azusa to feel emotion and Azusa needs Karino to humble himself although they both did not realize they would fall deep for each other. I think this is just the beginning and from the way things are turning out(from chap 29) I think the author is doing a fantastic job and hopefully we'll see Karino respond efficiently and reveal some care for Azusa.
I just wanna make it imperative to remember that this story is meant to be dark and psychologically fucked up--hell, it was suppose to turn out way worse than it is now if not for its popularity. In my opinion this story provides a lot more depth and charismatic and authentic characters than other K webtoons and yaoi manga. It's not suppose to romanticize rape or toxicity. So if you feel uncomfortable, frustrated, angry, or upset reading this, congrats, the author has done her job.
Yes!!!!!!
I also hope you differentiate between fiction and reality. Only idiots and dumb people will think all elements of fiction can be compared to real life. The manga is already classified as dark and you’re telling us as if we don’t know. You’re much more of an idiot than you think. We read and watch much more dark themes than this story
This is in no way Stockholm syndrome the manwha Killing Stalking is Stockholm syndrome please don’t get that mixed up
Bruh i Didn't say to stop enjoying this ,I am just saying that there are real ppl who doesn't look at this as a fantasy but an relationship example and it's scary bro.There is nothing wrong in liking such yaoi janras ^^
YASSSSSS that's what I fucking meant .Big like for you bro. I didn't mean that reading this is bad or smth ,it's a good point if it works only as a fantasy.
Oh ,good good .I didn't see this from such a point not view.Thank you for replying kind reader (◍•ᴗ•◍)
Yeyeyeyey that's what I really fear.Like a had some girls in my friend group talking how they wanna manipulate their partner just like this ,and also seen such toxic relationships myself.Thats why I hope most of the readers knows the wall btw fictional world and ours .
Ok .I will keep in mind ,it's just sorta felt like this. The fact they fell in "love " with each other after constant raping scenes and mind fuck ,it just hit me that way , although yes it's not exactly the same as Stockholm syndrome indeed .
I would only classify it as rape as the initial scene Karino fucked Azusa but the rest was more so blackmail and yes the lines are blurred between consent and hard seduction but its not really romanticized rape as other comics. Hell, there were even a couple times where Azusa asked for it. Also it is not a mind break either, simply because Azusa is strong enough to stand Karino's antics. I don't know if my words will get to you but I suggest you give it another read.
It still looks like rape to me, their whole relationship is centered around "I like to fuck you because you say no to me", he wants someone to resist him and who he can't "break", the last few chapters (primarily the sex scene in ch. 23) aren't as bad, a relationship is forming, but there has yet to be any consensual sex. No one should really be debating this is rape, it is a messed up manga, most of the reason is they all live fucked up lives that fucks with them socially and sexually, the issue is stupid kids who think doing this irl is a good idea shouldn't be reading it.
Brah chill. They're just worried about the idiots, that's all.
Yeahhh I think a lot of people are going to be super defensive towards your comment in general because it is the hot thing right now to just attack rape period in yaoi because it's the violence in video games of manga lmao so everyone is going to assume you're on that bandwagon. I remember some rape yaois years ago the scanlators even got death threats in their Discord and they were trying to dox staff and shit, people are crazy! Totally get what you mean tho people are just super protective right now XD
That's fair. I respect that mentality tbh because that's how I feel like with most BL mangas, just not this one. Although it is suppose to be dark so there's no use whining about how dark it is yknow?
I'm definitely not whining nor is OP, we're just talking about stupid kids who read it and decide they want to do it irl.
The OP was whining about how dark it is though ?? LMAOO like it's suppose to be dark. It's like criticizing a scary gory movie for being dark...like..t-that's the point m'am
thisss omg i understand what you feel bruh
Bruh I wanna cry , finally someone understood me right and don't just go hating :").But indeed freedom of speech so I don't think I have a right to sume that everyone will be on my side XDDD.So it's sorta oki
People being stupidΣ( ￣□￣||)
No i mean , sadly I can't post the picture here ,but when you will search it there ,you will see how that *blessed girl * looks like a cocky bitch at our Tia .Wtf ,I thought she was an innocent little bitch but look at her .
This is so annoying,it's like the author tries to suck all the drama and shit,it takes too long.And basically we playing here,its just come on,we got it already Janette is given her story time,but she portraited too naive and annoying,the focus on her is starting to be nonsense ,and her naivity is even more stupid.Yes maybe Athanasia is losing her role of the daddy's girl here,but don't make her lose the main character role here too.I loved this manhwa and i still wanna ,i am trying to be patient,but come on,don't try to make everything dramatic here and it takes too much of a screen time.Author come on you are losing your audience . ╥﹏╥
Dont tell me there will be a gay love pair here
and what about it?
is that a negative thing?
First time to see a comment from my birth country and it’s this?
nothing ,it will be just more and more interesting(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
nani ,guess i didnt write it to seem a good thing ,i am sorry ,i wanted to express joy but ended up expressing confusion,i am sorry ╥﹏╥
No absolutely not (￣∇￣"),it looks like i said it in a manner to seem so,but that really wasn't my intention at all,i am really sorry （￣へ￣）
I thought that there is nothing more fucked up than Killing Stalking ..........(▰˘◡˘▰) I was wrong .. terribly wrong all this time ......but here I am raping my brain with this shit .Guess I will be stuck here until the series will be finished (=・ω・=)
There are so many things far worse than this and killing and stalking
Glad you're joining the darker side :)
Hehe yep ,agreed :3:3:3:3 .My mental health is still intact so ......I guess I can experiment more in it with fucked up shit like those
A beautiful ,terrifying omegaverse .I am addicted to this crap ┗( T﹏T )┛..It's a hole new level of omegaverse world
I agree!!! I can't stop loving this ╥﹏╥
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Does this manga have a webnovel ? Because I would gladly wanna read it ,even in that form .If someone had the chance to find it ,it would be a great help .