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Annebaker November 8, 2018 6:12 am

Lmao this isn’t yaoi the main character is a women therefore this should be under shoujo only not shounen ai, and stop calling this gender bender please that’s extremely transphobic and please address the main character as she stop calling her him this is @ the people in the comments

    raven November 8, 2018 7:13 am

    This is a Japanese comic not your western SJW comic go to Japan and change their laws not everyone lives in your liberal world

    Fanelle November 8, 2018 3:37 pm
    This is a Japanese comic not your western SJW comic go to Japan and change their laws not everyone lives in your liberal world raven

    Oh wow, you're another kind of ignorant. Today's view of homosexuality and gender in Japan was mostly influenced by western colonialists and christian morals. Also, I think you should avoid Mangago and all the "western SJW comics" that can be read around here. Maybe the Bible would be more appropriate for you?

    raven November 8, 2018 5:08 pm
    Oh wow, you're another kind of ignorant. Today's view of homosexuality and gender in Japan was mostly influenced by western colonialists and christian morals. Also, I think you should avoid Mangago and all the ... Fanelle

    You think I'm Christian? Haha what a moron, nah I'm just tired of you people wanting to put your influenced everywhere. Try that shit in the middle east

    seraphim November 9, 2018 1:53 am
    You think I'm Christian? Haha what a moron, nah I'm just tired of you people wanting to put your influenced everywhere. Try that shit in the middle east raven

    then go somewhere else?? its clearly a lgbt manga and honestly it makes no sense for your ignorant ass to even be on a manga marked with ‘shounen ai’. also, maybe educate yourself on japans politics before looking like a dumbass?

    seraphim November 9, 2018 1:54 am

    almost every manga that has a character that is or is possibly trans is tagged as gender bender and its so upsetting i wish they wouldnt

    Fanelle November 9, 2018 11:49 am
    You think I'm Christian? Haha what a moron, nah I'm just tired of you people wanting to put your influenced everywhere. Try that shit in the middle east raven

    Oh okay then a history book :) Homosexual relationships faded away in Japan with the Meiji Restoration along with the disappearance of the samurai, to get close to western manners. The LGBT communities in Japan, India, or Native Americans for example are actually trying to rebuild what white people/christians destroyed. You are not looking smart thinking this is all about neo-colonialism.

    brynn January 5, 2019 3:02 am
    Oh okay then a history book :) Homosexual relationships faded away in Japan with the Meiji Restoration along with the disappearance of the samurai, to get close to western manners. The LGBT communities in Japan... Fanelle

    You have no understanding of what the other person is saying. Little lamb is still asleep and still believing that the LGBT propaganda has no relation to their political agenda. Do you know why China and Russia banned LGBT and tried hard to stop any Western influence into their country? Surely, it's not because of religion. Little lamb needs to start thinking, and realize what's happening around it.

    Fanelle January 5, 2019 11:26 am
    You have no understanding of what the other person is saying. Little lamb is still asleep and still believing that the LGBT propaganda has no relation to their political agenda. Do you know why China and Russia... brynn

    I will never understand why homophobes and people who use terms like "LGBT propaganda" read yaoi and hang out on this website. You must be really confused. And you still have no understanding of what I was saying, but you don't look too smart so that's okay :) Cheers !

    brynn January 5, 2019 12:18 pm
    I will never understand why homophobes and people who use terms like "LGBT propaganda" read yaoi and hang out on this website. You must be really confused. And you still have no understanding of what I was sayi... Fanelle

    Confused? Yaoi is made for women, their target audience is pretty much 'straight' women. Their plot is quite the same as shoujo and josei, only it's hotter with the smut. I love that.

    But tell me what are you here for? To support the LGBT nonsensical equal rights by reading yaois? One day people are going to protest for beastality, pedophilia, necrophilia, and cannibalism. And we're going to give in because of equal rights. When people are starting to eat each other by the street, there will be nothing you can do stop it. People nowadays are busy parading on the street naked and kissing like some crazy chimpanzees asking for freedom. But what about the equal rights needed for those innocent people dying on Palestine land; children, women men? Thousands of refugees on the border? You know what did they say? They said 'it's war, it's bound to happen.'

    Just what the fuck is going on with this world?

    brynn January 5, 2019 12:34 pm
    I will never understand why homophobes and people who use terms like "LGBT propaganda" read yaoi and hang out on this website. You must be really confused. And you still have no understanding of what I was sayi... Fanelle

    Yes this girl here is not smart. But between being a brainwashed and an ignorant, I would've chosen the latter. At least, my own mind and thinking belongs to me alone, not led by others. Besides, being smart doesn't mean you're immune to manipulation.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 12:52 pm
    Oh wow, you're another kind of ignorant. Today's view of homosexuality and gender in Japan was mostly influenced by western colonialists and christian morals. Also, I think you should avoid Mangago and all the ... Fanelle

    I can say as a future doctor (i'm med student 4rd year that transgenderism is...., it's clear and obvious it's mental disorder and changing your sex etc is real TRAGEDY for your body, it's a beautiful buisness sponsored by pharmaceutic companies who product people addict to their hormons etc). And changing sex of child should be considered a crime. But as I said:money~

    KaitoHat January 5, 2019 12:57 pm
    This is a Japanese comic not your western SJW comic go to Japan and change their laws not everyone lives in your liberal world raven

    So what your saying is as long as you get a kick jerkin' it fetishized gays in yaoi manga, you don't give a shit about LGBT+ issues and will denounce anyone who tries speaking up about it? Good to know.

    brynn January 5, 2019 1:29 pm
    So what your saying is as long as you get a kick jerkin' it fetishized gays in yaoi manga, you don't give a shit about LGBT+ issues and will denounce anyone who tries speaking up about it? Good to know. KaitoHat

    You LGBT supporters also do the same to those who disagree with your view.

    Fanelle January 5, 2019 1:42 pm
    I can say as a future doctor (i'm med student 4rd year that transgenderism is...., it's clear and obvious it's mental disorder and changing your sex etc is real TRAGEDY for your body, it's a beautiful buisness ... @Anonymous

    Tell me, do the doctors who mutilate intersex children to fit their standards before said children can even speak get a lot of money from pharmaceuticals ? Great to know there are future doctors who will actually perpetuate the dysphoria inflicted on trans people. You create the mental insecurity. You have clearly haven't talked much with trans people, as transition (if they choose to do it, which is not always the case, and shows your ignorance one more) is a great relief for them, it's only a tragedy for your sick puritan values.

    As to you "brynn", you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist. It is sad you cannot even imagine people actually fight at the same time for LGBT rights, womens rights, anti-racism and self-determination. It's very strange to feel pity for refugees but not at the same time for the gays, lesbians, trans... who die beaten up around the world or at the bottom of the same walls refugees die.

    brynn January 5, 2019 2:44 pm
    Tell me, do the doctors who mutilate intersex children to fit their standards before said children can even speak get a lot of money from pharmaceuticals ? Great to know there are future doctors who will actual... Fanelle

    Ahahaha. I find it ironic how we should accept people who can't even accept the body they're born with. Repression by the society is not my fault, it is their own defense mechanism to retaliate against new ideas. There's nothing I could do about that. But oh yes, the equal rights will give them some temporary happiness but for how long? We all know that kind of lifestyle in the end will take a toll on their bodies.

    Well, rather than giving them rights to ruin themselves even further, don't you think they need serious helps? That's one reason I decide to learn psychology you know.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 3:35 pm
    Tell me, do the doctors who mutilate intersex children to fit their standards before said children can even speak get a lot of money from pharmaceuticals ? Great to know there are future doctors who will actual... Fanelle

    THE INTERSEX CHILDREN ARE COMPLETLY OTHER CASES. We are talking about kids who have standard karyotype born with proper for their sex genitals whose parents decide to change their children sex because their 10 years old son prefers to play with dolls.
    I read multiple articles from serious science sources and there are still no rationales to treat it different that DISORDER.
    Sex change is traumatic to your body, the instability in your hormones is just purly carcinogenic and tbh it also demage your other systems.
    I'm going to be a doctor but firstly I'm scientist. I want FACTS, the changes in specific strustructures . After workings hours in hospital I know patient's subjective opinions is often very fallacious.

    Tolly January 5, 2019 3:37 pm
    I can say as a future doctor (i'm med student 4rd year that transgenderism is...., it's clear and obvious it's mental disorder and changing your sex etc is real TRAGEDY for your body, it's a beautiful buisness ... @Anonymous

    I can say as someone that actually graduated (not that their career give anyone the right really, be less ignorant, ok?) that you're and idiot. I don't know where you're from but you should more attention in psychiatric class.

    Tolly January 5, 2019 3:37 pm
    I can say as someone that actually graduated (not that their career give anyone the right really, be less ignorant, ok?) that you're and idiot. I don't know where you're from but you should more attention in ps... Tolly

    Pay*

    Tolly January 5, 2019 3:40 pm
    Ahahaha. I find it ironic how we should accept people who can't even accept the body they're born with. Repression by the society is not my fault, it is their own defense mechanism to retaliate against new idea... brynn

    I think you're a moron but I don't discriminate you. However you seem really fixated on other people's business. You sound almost paranoid, have you thought about visiting a psychiatrist?

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 4:01 pm
    I can say as someone that actually graduated (not that their career give anyone the right really, be less ignorant, ok?) that you're and idiot. I don't know where you're from but you should more attention in ps... Tolly

    Specialy for ypu:THE INTERSEX CHILDREN ARE COMPLETLY OTHER CASES. We are talking about kids who have standard karyotype born with proper for their sex genitals whose parents decide to change their children sex because their 10 years old son prefers to play with dolls.
    I read multiple articles from serious science sources and there are still no rationales to treat it different that DISORDER.
    Sex change is traumatic to your body, the instability in your hormones is just purly carcinogenic and tbh it also demage your other systems.
    I'm going to be a doctor but firstly I'm scientist. I want FACTS, the changes in specific strustructures . After workings hours in hospital I know patient's subjective opinions is often very fallacious.

    brynn January 5, 2019 4:01 pm
    I think you're a moron but I don't discriminate you. However you seem really fixated on other people's business. You sound almost paranoid, have you thought about visiting a psychiatrist? Tolly

    Well, it takes one to know one. Then I think we both need to make a trip to the doctors now.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 4:03 pm
    I can say as someone that actually graduated (not that their career give anyone the right really, be less ignorant, ok?) that you're and idiot. I don't know where you're from but you should more attention in ps... Tolly

    Oh so please give me some GOOD sources that can prove that we shouldnt treat transgenderism as DISORDER (mental disorder)...I'm waiting. And I'm talking about serious sources, not some articles from google.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 4:09 pm
    I can say as someone that actually graduated (not that their career give anyone the right really, be less ignorant, ok?) that you're and idiot. I don't know where you're from but you should more attention in ps... Tolly

    And wow you seriously graduated medicine and call sb an idiot? Sb you dont even know? And you graduated and you are still sitting on some porn site. I at least have holidays now.

    Fanelle January 5, 2019 6:52 pm
    And wow you seriously graduated medicine and call sb an idiot? Sb you dont even know? And you graduated and you are still sitting on some porn site. I at least have holidays now. @Anonymous

    The American Psychiatric Association has stated that gender nonconformity is NOT a mental disorder. Go back to school and listen in class. What you seem to be talking about is gender dysphoria which every trans person does not necessarily have. I am trully scared that someday you might face trans people and be such an ignorant doctor to their face.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 7:12 pm
    The American Psychiatric Association has stated that gender nonconformity is NOT a mental disorder. Go back to school and listen in class. What you seem to be talking about is gender dysphoria which every trans... Fanelle

    First at all, I'm going to be oncologyst, not psychiatrist, I didnt even have this class yet (I'm 4rd year as I said) but it used to be my hobby and I read a lot of psychiatric books. Secondly, I'm not fluent in english and terminology in my native language is different so maybe I used some termine inadequately.
    Trans people are tiny per mille of human population so I highly doubt it.
    And I never stated that GENDER NONCONFORMITY is mental disorder.
    I said that transgenderism is.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 7:28 pm
    The American Psychiatric Association has stated that gender nonconformity is NOT a mental disorder. Go back to school and listen in class. What you seem to be talking about is gender dysphoria which every trans... Fanelle

    And dont worry if I would have patient like that I would treat them as they wish, with proper pronounce etc, but still I want scientic facts about this phenomenon, not only as I said subjective's opinion of the patient.
    Also nowadays we have such aburds that e.g. in Canada in sport there was transexual (m-->f) who didnt have any accomplishments as a man in cycling but after hormone replacement therapy she won in women category. Sweet

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 8:01 pm
    The American Psychiatric Association has stated that gender nonconformity is NOT a mental disorder. Go back to school and listen in class. What you seem to be talking about is gender dysphoria which every trans... Fanelle

    But still if you have some interesting, scientic, serious sources about this topic with many cases, MRI scans etc I would love to deepen this subject.

    Tolly January 5, 2019 10:52 pm
    Specialy for ypu:THE INTERSEX CHILDREN ARE COMPLETLY OTHER CASES. We are talking about kids who have standard karyotype born with proper for their sex genitals whose parents decide to change their children sex ... @Anonymous

    You treat human beings? You do know that when it comes to human and especially the mind you can't speak about facts? No one in the academic level would use the word facts for this. So far there are no way to say for sure something like what you're implying. I'm not going to reveal my profession in order to use it as you as ad baculum fallacy (when you clearly know nothing). There are no even enough data to imply any of what you say because there are close to none longitudinal research.
    Honestly I hope your patients are ok because you sure aren't.

    Anonymous January 5, 2019 11:47 pm
    You treat human beings? You do know that when it comes to human and especially the mind you can't speak about facts? No one in the academic level would use the word facts for this. So far there are no way to sa... Tolly

    You meant...Argumentum ad baculum? Lmfao
    To tell the truth you dont sound like a doctor at all. First young doctors in my country at least dont have time to sleep even...they are always on shifts at hospital.... I have now holidays so I have time but normally even just studing (4rd year) I dont have too much time...and here you are with reading nearly 400 titles, taking part in discussions. Hmmm. And still I am young barely 22. And if you are much older...then it's just sad.
    Still no sources...just your pretty speeches...
    And why transexualism couldn't be mental disorder? It's just their subjective opinion.
    If SB believes that they are 12 years old child (while they are 40 years old) we should pretend it's normal and healthy?
    How if you have karyotype and proper genitals for your sex and you are physically healthy but the problem is in your PSYCHE , how can you not call it DISORDER (mental)?
    And even in medical enviroment it's not all so obvious as you make it.
    And for me sex changes is inhuman. The patients very often are even more depressed because now they have just additional health problems and most of sociaty still don't accept them.

    brynn January 6, 2019 12:01 am
    The American Psychiatric Association has stated that gender nonconformity is NOT a mental disorder. Go back to school and listen in class. What you seem to be talking about is gender dysphoria which every trans... Fanelle

    You're so naive. The reason they pulled back the statement regarding that being a mental disorder because they cannot prove it otherwise? To be precise, they don't have enough proof to say that it IS or is NOT. That's why they said that. But does other countries agree to this statement based on scarce research? I don't think so.

    Ok January 6, 2019 12:39 am
    The American Psychiatric Association has stated that gender nonconformity is NOT a mental disorder. Go back to school and listen in class. What you seem to be talking about is gender dysphoria which every trans... Fanelle

    After rethinking. I'm not fluent and I dont want to use english medical terminology in wrong way that's why I'm gonna write it in my own words. For me if somebody who was born with standard karyotype and genitals for specific sex consider themselves the other sex(Gender dysphoria) and they want to change their sex for me it's mental disorder .
    The problem is it's subjective. You can't pove that it's NOT disorder, because you cant test it on any way, you can't do some physical tests and get result.
    So how can you prove it's not in fact MENTAL DISORDER?
    Tbh I didnt even once find soruce/article which would give any satisfing answers.
    And someone before me said... You know in many countries it's still in medical field considered as mental disorder?
    And I'm still a student and didnt even have this class. But I used to be really interested in psychiatry and psychology.

    Ok January 6, 2019 1:58 am
    After rethinking. I'm not fluent and I dont want to use english medical terminology in wrong way that's why I'm gonna write it in my own words. For me if somebody who was born with standard karyotype and genita... @Ok

    And they or they (dont want to its optional) change their sex*
    Just because somebody sees themselves they are somebody they are not doesnt make them that.
    Also even if we could even document that there are changes in brain etc... Many disorders have such evidences (although I didnt even see that this one have such).
    That's why to me it's obvious disorder. It's the problem in your brain, in your psyche.
    Seriously to me it's absurd how WHO removed it from mental disorders. Although they put it under another category.

    Fanelle January 6, 2019 12:15 pm
    And they or they (dont want to its optional) change their sex*Just because somebody sees themselves they are somebody they are not doesnt make them that. Also even if we could even document that there are chang... @Ok

    Well, you stopped talking about science pretty fast after realizing that there were no serious studies stating what transgenderism was and how it came to be. I thought you had read "serious articles" though? Beside being intolerant you are a liar as well? Your opinion is NOT science. I don't know what country you are from but many countries and and psychatrist associations are going torward a demedicalization of the subject. You asked for serious sources but when I tell you about what the APA stated, the biggest psychiatrist organization in the world you go on about terminology. If you don't know the subject properly, then try not to talk about it. Gender nonconformity implies transgenderism, but also non binarity for instance. YOU are the one who don't have any sources that clearly states transgenderism is a mental state, because there aren't, and there might never will be. I am tired talking with someone who is constantly taking guesses about something they don't know. Why don't you focus on treating cancer, or at least take some gender studies classes to be less ignorant? Oh please no need to answer you don't have much else to say on the subject clearly.

    Anonymous January 6, 2019 12:32 pm
    Well, you stopped talking about science pretty fast after realizing that there were no serious studies stating what transgenderism was and how it came to be. I thought you had read "serious articles" though? Be... Fanelle

    For me is obvious that they removed it EVEN IF THEY DONT HAVE ANY PROOFS because there were pressures from specific enviroments. They dont have any PROOFS that it's not mental ilnesess. ANY. And honey how many times they change the definition. I wouldnt be suprised if few years after today it will be rechanged to mental disorder.
    Yeah I have seen many articles about tragic consequences that sex change brings e.g.
    And there are many profesjonals,psychiatrists against the whole thing.
    And you still didnt give me any sources than just statment from organization which isn't linked to any believable studies. NOTHING.
    Sorry it's laughable

    Anonymous January 6, 2019 12:44 pm
    Well, you stopped talking about science pretty fast after realizing that there were no serious studies stating what transgenderism was and how it came to be. I thought you had read "serious articles" though? Be... Fanelle

    Why ocd is disorder? Why highly function autism is disorder? Why THIS is exception? When the problem is with psyche/brain?
    As I said believing you are somebody you are not doesnt make you that.
    But I'm waiting I'm sure pedophilia will also be removed in few or more years and other disorderes. Sorry but we are going backwards. And it's TRAGEDY for medicine.
    People who write bs that there should be no gender or several genders. Because there are Animals with one sex.... Shame on US because we are mamals and not coelenterata.

    Anonymous January 6, 2019 12:47 pm
    Well, you stopped talking about science pretty fast after realizing that there were no serious studies stating what transgenderism was and how it came to be. I thought you had read "serious articles" though? Be... Fanelle

    Psychiatry is not fuckin religion that I should believe without any believable evidences, studies etc. Like I said we are going backwards.

    Anonymous January 6, 2019 12:49 pm
    Psychiatry is not fuckin religion that I should believe without any believable evidences, studies etc. Like I said we are going backwards. @Anonymous

    Psychiatry and medicine in general*

    Anonymous January 6, 2019 12:58 pm
    Well, you stopped talking about science pretty fast after realizing that there were no serious studies stating what transgenderism was and how it came to be. I thought you had read "serious articles" though? Be... Fanelle

    I would recomend to read/see works from i.g. dr Michelle Cretella.
    But tbh WHO even are you? Do you have basic knowledge of medicine or smt? Do you even understand biological/chemical processes in human's body, brain?
    Oh maybe your only knowledge is gender studies...than pff. Sorry

    Anonymous January 7, 2019 3:44 am
    I would recomend to read/see works from i.g. dr Michelle Cretella.But tbh WHO even are you? Do you have basic knowledge of medicine or smt? Do you even understand biological/chemical processes in human's body, ... @Anonymous

    Michelle Cretella! Great Idea! I mean, she`s leading such a serious organization with NO~ political agenda at all! You can clearly tell by the incredible good resonance, that the "American College of Pediatricians" gets, of which she is the president:

    `The ACP argues that schools shouldn't support gay teens because they're probably just confused. "Most adolescents who experience same-sex attraction...no longer experience such attractions at age 25," the letter says, citing a 1992 study by Remafedi.

    Except that's not what Remafedi's research suggested at all. His work showed that kids who are confused about their sexuality eventually sort it out—meaning many of them accept being gay.

    "What was so troubling was that these were fellow doctors, fellow pediatricians," Remafedi says. "They knew better, and they have the same ethical responsibilities to their patients that I do, but they deliberately distorted my research for malicious purposes."
    [...]
    "It's obvious that they didn't even read my research," Remafedi says. "I mean, they spelled my name wrong every time they cited it."
    [...]
    Mimicking the rival publication, the ACP filled its handbook with more than 100 footnotes citing studies. The difference is that some of the researchers, like Remafedi, say the ACP cherry-picked, manipulated, and misstated that research.

    Francis Collins, the director of the National Institute of Health, found the ACP using his work on genetics to argue that gay kids can be cured. Last month he accused the college of taking his work out of context, calling the pamphlet "misleading and incorrect."

    Warren Throckmorton, a therapist who specializes in sexual orientation issues, also asked to have his research removed from the study.

    "The letter and the website are just disingenuous," he says. "They say they're impartial and not motivated by political or religious concerns, but if you look at who they're affiliated with and how they're using the research, that's just obviously not true."

    Indeed, the names attached to the publication read like a who's-who of the anti-gay medical message machine: Arthur Goldberg, a felon who bilked billions of dollars in a municipal-bond scheme and founded the Jewish gay-cure group JONAH; Joe Nicolosi, one of the leaders of the "ex-gay" organization NARTH;
    http://www.citypages.com/news/university-of-minnesota-professors-research-hijacked-6725473

    `The Southern Poverty Law Center has repeatedly labeled the ACP as an anti-LGBT hate group that promotes false claims and misleading scientific reports. Chillingly, the group has moved beyond its online reports, deeper into the political arena. They have gone as far as filing amicus briefs to U.S. courts for major cases concerning LGBT rights. Their reports have gained traction, despite clear criticism from expert physicians in the field. When asked about the ACP, Dr. Scott Leibowitz, medical director of the THRIVE program at Nationwide Children's Hospital and chair of the sexual orientation and gender identity issues committee for the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, did not parse his words, "It can hardly be a credible medical organization when it consistently chooses to ignore science and the growing evidence base that clearly demonstrates the benefits of affirmative care with LGBT youth across all ages."´
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/political-minds/201705/the-american-college-pediatricians-is-anti-lgbt-group

    Btw, here`s an article that rejects all her "arguments" against transsexual treatment:
    https://www.adolescenthealth.org/SAHM-News/SAHM-Responds-to-Dr-Michelle-Cretella.aspx
    Aaaaahhh.....what a great scientist this woman is. Speaking of science: For someone who claims to study medicine you are not behaving very scientific. It`s almost like, I don`t know, you made all of this up just so you can go ad vericundiam and claim that your opponents have no idea what they are talking about.

    Ok January 7, 2019 8:07 pm
    Michelle Cretella! Great Idea! I mean, she`s leading such a serious organization with NO~ political agenda at all! You can clearly tell by the incredible good resonance, that the "American College of Pediatrici... @Anonymous

    Omg XDDD the last link was on such poorly level that i wont even comment that.
    I do tego agree always with dr cretella's views but in this case she is raight. And what they wrote about puberty blokers is not even worth commenting. Please read something about it.

    Ok January 7, 2019 8:07 pm
    Omg XDDD the last link was on such poorly level that i wont even comment that.I do tego agree always with dr cretella's views but in this case she is raight. And what they wrote about puberty blokers is not eve... @Ok

    Dont*

    Ok January 7, 2019 8:46 pm
    Michelle Cretella! Great Idea! I mean, she`s leading such a serious organization with NO~ political agenda at all! You can clearly tell by the incredible good resonance, that the "American College of Pediatrici... @Anonymous

    My studies started after holidays so I dont have time to study for sources rn. Maybe best month. But there are a lot of articles on plos one.
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

    Ok January 7, 2019 8:47 pm
    My studies started after holidays so I dont have time to study for sources rn. Maybe best month. But there are a lot of articles on plos one.https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.001... @Ok

    Next*

    Anonymous January 8, 2019 3:25 am
    Omg XDDD the last link was on such poorly level that i wont even comment that.I do tego agree always with dr cretella's views but in this case she is raight. And what they wrote about puberty blokers is not eve... @Ok

    Wow, great answer. "This article and its arguments are DUMB!!!!!!!! Dr. Cretella is raight [sic]!!!!!!" How about you give me actual arguments instead of just calling the article stupid and saying: "You should inform yourself!" And if you don`t have enough time to give a reasonable answer, then you shouldn`t answer at all.

    About the puberty blockers: I am sceptical about them and think, that there need to be long term studies. But on the other hand, I´m not per se against them either. There just needs to be more research. And I think the SAHM has a point when saying that every medicament has or may have side effects. I know that, because I`m transsexual myself and I go through hormonal treatment right now. There are risks as well, but I got informed about them and there is a constant control of my blood values. So in conclusion:
    We need more research, but we shouldn`t dismiss it.

    "I do tego agree always with dr cretella's views but in this case she is raight."
    If by "right" you mean "right-winged/conservative", then you`re right. As I said, I am sceptical about puberty blockers, but this "doctor" is against any surgery, hormnal treatment or even any supportive attitude towards transsexuality. The strategy of her and her organization is to take the findings of other studies out of context and interpret them so they match the opinion of Mrs. Cretella. If you support such nonsense, you are anything, but not scientific.

    Anonymous January 8, 2019 4:56 am
    My studies started after holidays so I dont have time to study for sources rn. Maybe best month. But there are a lot of articles on plos one.https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.001... @Ok

    I`m not sure what position you try to support here, but if you`re trying to dismiss Sex reassignment therapy you either suck at it or the thing I said about Mrs. Cretella goes for you, too. The study you just quoted says:
    "The caveat with this design is that transsexual persons before sex reassignment might differ from healthy controls (although this bias can be statistically corrected for by adjusting for baseline differences). It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexuals persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit."

    and:
    "Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

    So this study is not dismissing sex reassignment, but rather suggesting better psychiatric care after sex reassignment. Thinking, that this study leads to the conclusion, that we should stop sex reassignment and instead start with conversion Therapies (because, as we all know, those therapies have been proven to be 100% successfull and do no harm at all) is utter nonsense.

    Furthermore, an important issue that transphobes never adress is causality. I am 100% sure that a major factor for the high suicide rate of transexuals is the discrimination and the bias against transsexuals, which is supported, amongst others, by Mrs. Cretella. Here`s a study that adresses this matter:
    https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf (p.11).

    Anonymous January 8, 2019 9:55 am
    I`m not sure what position you try to support here, but if you`re trying to dismiss Sex reassignment therapy you either suck at it or the thing I said about Mrs. Cretella goes for you, too. The study you just q... @Anonymous

    Ok. I seriously dont have a time.
    But I wilk Ask. How can we PROVE that transexualism IS NOT mental disorder? How is it different than other mental disorderes?
    How?
    When I read the definition:
    Transgender is an umbrella term for persons whose gender identity, gender expression, or behavior does not conform to that typically associated with the sex to which they were assigned at birth.” firstly...umbrella...really? Are we 5?
    We also have seen people who went through retransitioning,who come back to their sex gender.
    So what IT is determinated at birth or its not? It's factored by enviroment? By hormones? Is it changable? Why now we have so many new cases? Only because it's more acceptable?
    I read arguments like... Oh there were always transexuals... Ok? And there was always cancer? So what?
    One studies claimed that transexuals brains is more similar to their prefered gender...then the other studies denies these claims. Tbh it's absurd because some mental ilnesess cause some chemical or structure changes?
    Sorry Honey I'm sure like fuck there will never be fully accepted. Beside America, Canada and few Counteries in europe and few others ...nb gives a fuck because there are bigger problems in this world. I would never bully ANYONE. I can use their preffered pronounce etc but I still went some medical PROOFS bit some sweet claims.
    Also for me changing gender of child is crime to me. Many children go through many phases. I myself used to be completly tomboyant, I Had only male friends, I hate dresses, I didnt Play with dolls (mostly influenced by my older brother) etc who knows maybe under specific pressure and enviroment I would believe that yeah I would prefer to be a boy. I would go under puberty blokers maybe in the end I would end sterilized. Puberty blokers have many isuess and side effects...nearly every medicine has some negative side effects. Is it a good idea? Healing children? Who are really changable?

    Priya January 8, 2019 9:08 pm
    Ok. I seriously dont have a time.But I wilk Ask. How can we PROVE that transexualism IS NOT mental disorder? How is it different than other mental disorderes? How?When I read the definition: Transgender is an u... @Anonymous

    Wow seriously how a manga can get you guys so worked up!

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 3:17 am
    This is a Japanese comic not your western SJW comic go to Japan and change their laws not everyone lives in your liberal world raven

    1. Ah, Trump school 101: Calling everything SJW that doesn`t match your opinion.
    2. "nah I'm just tired of you people wanting to put your influenced everywhere."
    You`re right. We shouldn`t interfere with other countries just because we think certain things happening there are wrong. So next time when there`s a genocide happening, we`ll all sit still and do nothing.

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 8:07 am
    You have no understanding of what the other person is saying. Little lamb is still asleep and still believing that the LGBT propaganda has no relation to their political agenda. Do you know why China and Russia... brynn

    1. "Little Lamb", "LGBT propaganda", "Little lamb needs to start thinking, and realize what's happening around it.", "You're so naive." You sound like one of those "red-pilled" idiots. You know, those self-opinionated snobs who think they`re something better because they don`t follow the "mainstream" and they constantly look down on people with different views just so they can keep up that illusion of superiority.
    2."Do you know why China and Russia banned LGBT and tried hard to stop any Western influence into their country?"
    NO!!! NOT RUSSIA AND CHINA!!! HOW DARE YOU WESTERN WORLD, TRYING TO INFLUENCE THOSE FANTASTIC COUNTRIES!!!! WHAT IF THEY ACTUALLY *GASPS* START TO FOLLOW HUMAN RIGHTS?!?!?!?! YOU MONSTERS!!!!!!!!
    3. "Yaoi is made for women, their target audience is pretty much 'straight' women. Their plot is quite the same as shoujo and josei, only it's hotter with the smut. I love that.

    But tell me what are you here for? To support the LGBT nonsensical equal rights by reading yaois?"
    I don`t need to say a lot to this cause Kaito.Hat pretty much summed up what is wrong with this comment:
    "So what your saying is as long as you get a kick jerkin' it fetishized gays in yaoi manga, you don't give a shit about LGBT+ issues and will denounce anyone who tries speaking up about it? Good to know."
    But what I find especially fascinating is the term "LGBT nonsensical equal rights". So you see LGBT people as 2nd class humans? Good to know.
    4."One day people are going to protest for beastality, pedophilia, necrophilia, and cannibalism. And we're going to give in because of equal rights. When people are starting to eat each other by the street, there will be nothing you can do stop it."

    Wow, never heard that claim before....
    I mean, of course! If we allow Homosexuality, we will also allow cannibalism! And if you are against censorship laws, you also are against laws in general. You know, cause censorship restricts freedom and every other law also restricts your freedom.
    Makes sense to me.
    And if someone offers you cake and you decline, you`re anorexic because all anorexic people at one point have started with declining cake.

    I mean, it`s not like there are good reasons for allowing something and there are good reasons not to allow another thing and we have to differentiate. Pffffff. Differentiations are for losers without a strict black-and-white thinking!

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 8:09 am
    Confused? Yaoi is made for women, their target audience is pretty much 'straight' women. Their plot is quite the same as shoujo and josei, only it's hotter with the smut. I love that.But tell me what are you h... brynn

    5. "People nowadays are busy parading on the street naked and kissing like some crazy chimpanzees asking for freedom."
    First of all, you`re a hipocryte:
    "Their plot is quite the same as shoujo and josei, only it's hotter with the smut. I love that."
    Second of all, so what if there are half-naked (not naked) people and couples showing their love on the CSD? What are you? 5 years old? Is kissing too erotic for you? BTW, Loveparade had these exact same things as well and no one complained about that.

    6. "But what about the equal rights needed for those innocent people dying on Palestine land; children, women men? Thousands of refugees on the border? You know what did they say? They said 'it's war, it's bound to happen.'

    Just what the fuck is going on with this world?"

    You know, I will keep these words in mind and if I ever meet you on the street, I will punch you in the face. And if you dare to complain about it, I will say: "How egotistical! You think you have it so bad being punched in the face? Think about the palestinian children! They have it waaaaayyy worse than you right now!"
    Do you see the problem?
    7."Yes this girl here is not smart. But between being a brainwashed and an ignorant, I would've chosen the latter. At least, my own mind and thinking belongs to me alone, not led by others. Besides, being smart doesn't mean you're immune to manipulation."
    ...but ignorant people are easier to manipulate.
    8. "You LGBT supporters also do the same to those who disagree with your view."
    No we don`t. But we do that to people who denounce other people, which is the case for 90% of the Anti-LGBT movement. In other words: If you treat other people like humans, we won`t insult you.
    9. "I find it ironic how we should accept people who can't even accept the body they're born with."
    So bodies have to be seen as a cohort now? Do bodies have a mind on their own? You know, besides the mind, that is already in that body and doesn`t accept it. And if that`s the case, does the mind also have a body and-WTF AM I TALKING ABOUT?!?! IT´S MY BODY!!!! I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT! It`s like a house or a car. No one will call you a racist if you don`t like the colour of your car! LGBT people are a cohort and have a mind and a will and feelings, that you can hurt. Their bodies are just a part of them and transsexuals have a right to not like and change their bodies. You are just comparing apples to pears. Or should I call the United Nations Human Rights Council and accuse you of genocide every time you try to squeaze pimples?
    #pimpleshaveHumanRightstoo
    10. "Repression by the society is not my fault, it is their own defense mechanism to retaliate against new ideas. There's nothing I could do about that."
    Uuuuum, yes you can? Don`t be a goddamn transphobe! Less transphobic people means less repression.

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 9:56 am
    Ahahaha. I find it ironic how we should accept people who can't even accept the body they're born with. Repression by the society is not my fault, it is their own defense mechanism to retaliate against new idea... brynn

    11. "But oh yes, the equal rights will give them some temporary happiness but for how long? We all know that kind of lifestyle in the end will take a toll on their bodies.

    Well, rather than giving them rights to ruin themselves even further, don't you think they need serious helps?"

    You know, I have a name for people like you: Egotistical Altruists. People, who want to help other people, but are too self-centered to realize, that THEIR values don`t go for everyone. So they start forcing their values and their views down other peoples throats. That`s you.
    I am transsexual. I`m an adult, I have a mind on my own I am intelligent and think things through before I do them. I don`t need to be f***ing patronized. You don`t know s**t about me or others. Transsexuals have a high suicide rate even after reassignment. Well, guess why? BECAUSE THERE ARE F***ING ASSHOLES, WHO CONSTANTLY BOTHER THOSE PEOPLE AND SCUM LIKE YOU, WHO SUPPORT THOSE S**TS BY IGNORING THE WILL OF TRANSSEXUALS AND SPOUTING YOUR OPINION THAT NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR.

    "Are you triggered?" Yes I am! I am sick and tired of people, who have the audacity to criticize sex reassignment due to high suicide rates after the surgery, but are taking a major part in belittling and incapacitating transsexuals and are even suggesting "Healing" Therapies, which have been proven to be way more fatal than sex reassignment. That`s like Hitler coming up to the Jews saying: "You know, all those dying children in the Extermination camps are your fault. If you hadn`t reproduced, they wouldn`t need to die. You are such irresponsible parents!" to which everyone would reply: "A*****le, don`t build any goddamn Extermination camps!" You think this example is messed up? Well, at least now you know how I feel.

    Are you trying to become a psychiastrist? If you do, you should give up. I haven`t studied psychology myself, but I know something about medical ethics due to a seminar I have visited and, of course, I have my personal experience with a psychiatrist. Doctors aren`t the ones anymore who make the decision. It`s the patient, who has the authority. My psychiatrist never forced me to anything. He informed me and asked me for my consent. What you try to do lies in the past. A past, that no one wants back. A past, where doctors ignored the will of the patient and wanted to play god. But they studied medicine, so they should know when a life is good and worth living! No, they didn`t and they still don`t know. And thanks to that mindset we had terrible things happening like Eugenic and one of the biggest crimes in psychiatric history, the so called "euthanasia" performed by the Nazis.

    I tell you something: You`re a psychopath and you shouldn`t work with transsexuals in any way. Even if you study psychology till you drop dead, my statement won`t change. Because what you are missing is not necessarily expertise, but rather a mindset that embraces different values. As long as you don`t drop that "I know better than other people what`s good for them" attitude, you are dangerous for other people. You studying psychology would change as much as Leatherface visiting a class, where he learn how to handle a chainsaw. He will get better at handling the chainsaw, but he won`t develop any empathy for his victims.

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 1:13 pm
    5. "People nowadays are busy parading on the street naked and kissing like some crazy chimpanzees asking for freedom."First of all, you`re a hipocryte:"Their plot is quite the same as shoujo and josei, only it'... @Anonymous

    Lmfao go back to Tumblr butthurt snowflake.
    I'm just waiting for iii world war, eating popcorn~

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 1:54 pm
    Lmfao go back to Tumblr butthurt snowflake.I'm just waiting for iii world war, eating popcorn~ @Anonymous

    So I try to debunk arguments and statements, while you just label me with your copy-and-paste-insults. Who`s the "butthurt snowflake" again?

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 5:43 pm
    So I try to debunk arguments and statements, while you just label me with your copy-and-paste-insults. Who`s the "butthurt snowflake" again? @Anonymous

    You? Becauce nobody is so passionate in this discussion like you? XD
    Lil special snowlake~
    What even is copy and paste insults? :O where......

    Anonymous January 9, 2019 6:00 pm
    So I try to debunk arguments and statements, while you just label me with your copy-and-paste-insults. Who`s the "butthurt snowflake" again? @Anonymous

    You? Becauce nobody is so passionate in this discussion like you? XD
    Lil special snowlake~
    Also most of the world as I said dont give a fuck about pseudo science which is mainy based on empty climes and theories (and it's not physic where theories are proved by maths--> LOGIC), based on subjective opinions of not even 1 pr of world's population individuals who can be just mentally ill~
    Oh and dont forget about gender fluid individuals. Another beautiful group. Even more interesting.

    Anonymous January 10, 2019 6:06 am
    You? Becauce nobody is so passionate in this discussion like you? XD Lil special snowlake~Also most of the world as I said dont give a fuck about pseudo science which is mainy based on empty climes and theories... @Anonymous

    1. "Becauce nobody is so passionate in this discussion like you?" So, if people insult transsexuals and therefore me by treating us like some kind of idiots who don`t know what`s best for them, but those transphobes claim they know, because they (apparently) studied medicine and I answer them back by debunking all their pseudo-arguments and by calling them out on their superiority complex, that makes me a snowflake? Being insulted by......an insult makes one a "snowflake"....you might want to think this over again.....
    2. "What even is copy and paste insults?" A copy-and-paste insult is an unoriginal insult that you see coming from miles away. SJW, snowflake, triggered also counts.....I could play bullshit bingo with those.
    3. "Also most of the world as I said dont give a fuck about pseudo science which is mainy based on empty climes and theories (and it's not physic where theories are proved by maths--> LOGIC), based on subjective opinions of not even 1 pr of world's population individuals who can be just mentally ill"
    Human Sciences like Sociology and History Science as well as Psychology are all Pseudo Sciences? Good to know.
    Also, "Pseudo Science"? That`s Gold coming from a group of people, who have proven to me in this comment section that their only "arguments" confine oneself to the following things:

    - quoting dubious Pseudo Scientists
    - misinterpreting studies so they match their own opinion
    - Conspiracy speak, like "propaganda", "Little Lamb", etc.
    - Whataboutisms
    - ad verecundiam arguments (Wow! So many people here who claim they study medicine or psychology! What a coincidence! We can clearly tell they are telling the truth by their incredibly scientific attitude!)
    - claims without any argument whatsoever
    - arguments that have been debunked a Million times already, but they continue spouting them
    and last but not least- and this is probably your favourite one:
    - insulting people as SJWs and snowflakes if they dare to talk back to your noble opinion

    Where is the Science in that, hm?

    Anonymous January 10, 2019 6:30 pm
    1. "Becauce nobody is so passionate in this discussion like you?" So, if people insult transsexuals and therefore me by treating us like some kind of idiots who don`t know what`s best for them, but those transp... @Anonymous

    I'm still waiting for the answer how exacly we can prove that transexualism is not mental ilnesess. I'm waiting.

    Anonymous January 10, 2019 6:46 pm
    1. "Becauce nobody is so passionate in this discussion like you?" So, if people insult transsexuals and therefore me by treating us like some kind of idiots who don`t know what`s best for them, but those transp... @Anonymous

    Seriously it's a Simple question.
    How transexualism is DIFFERENT than the there ilnesess?
    The arguments like:
    -we can find cases like that even in ancient times is not argument because many physical and mental ilnesess/disorderes also were there.
    -Some other mental disorders are also manifested by chemical/structure changes in brain (and studies are even not to sure if there are changes...)
    - other mental disorders had their start on early childhood or before birth.
    So, waiting~

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