I actually had uke's situation about a year ago. Believe it or not, it sucks. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
that's true lol
like you can get everyone but the one you love AND you don't wanna hurt anybody
Exactly! And everyone gets hurt when you reject them -.- Luckily, not dealing with that anymore, I'm happily engaged now <3
aww that's so cute! I'm so happy for u
Love the characters. This is what adults are, guys. Don't go there. all of us in the category of 25-30 are this bad.
I can say that I was like this around 15-18 but to say I am like that at 25 simply isn't true. Everyone has their own life experiences that make them mature faster or slower. I wouldn't be caught dead having a guy shove my head in their crouch without me yelling at them and telling them to get out the damn car. Sadly 17 year old me would have let it happen but not me at 25.
Well, like you said - Each to their own? Good for you anyways. :) This was the last thing I was referring to, though. Sexual preferences are a no no talk for me.
I just like the fact the characters are very real in the aspect of their personalities and I cannot praise Haesoo enough. A masochist, a sadist, a manipulator, a writer with a block, aware of his fatality yet insecure to the core, knows his flaws, yet doesn't want to work on them. He feels so incredibly human.
Oh I'm sorry! I wouldn't think sexual talk would be a big no no when talking about a yaoi. I just picked one of the most recent things that happened as an example. I was just stating that not every 25-30 year old has these issues. You may have them and some others too but not everyone.
Haha, I don't know, when it comes to sex, I don't judge. If someone likes being forced, go for it, and Haesoo clearly enjoys it.
But regarding other issues, no, I do not have them or rather - I learnt how to accept my flaws and deal with them. But I know many people who do the things the people in this manga do.
Let me put it this way: The pattern I tend to see in yaoi, shoujo and anywhere is:
Typical bottom: sweet, innocent, no past, no experience, adored only for that innocence which is so unrealistic it hurts.
Typica power top:.... need i say more?
It feels SO good to have an uke like Haesoo.
I'm biased, can't help it. There's something about this character that I find extremely appealing.
Oh I definitely love haesoo because I think I've told you in another post I really relate to haesoo as well but i think we see things a bit differently in the fact that Haesoo doesnt really enjoy this he convinces himself because he's just getting what he can when it comes to joowons affection. Its easy to play along when you are younger but once you get older it takes its toll. I keep up with the raw chapters and summary of things that happen idk if you do or not. Well maybe we see things a bit differently. Also this type of bottom I've experienced before in a few mangas and manhwa but they are a bit more darker than Love or hate. If you want some recommendations I'll gladly provide some!
Ohh, thank you for not spoiling anything, you're the real MVP. No, I don't keep up, I read the manhwa here, so aain, thank you! No, I agree with you. I don't even think Haesoo is aware of what's going on. He knows his feelings but he cannot relate his actions to his feelings, in a way? He's just acting like a child to get what he wants, but Jowoon is no better. There's just an amazing appeal to both of them, to the fact they are dark and flawed and screwed up. And, please, recommend away! :3
No problem! Thats why i mentioned it first just in case you didn't. & i don't think haesoo is acting like a child to get what he wants I think he has so low self-esteem that he's just taking what joowon gives him. He goes with the flow that joowon sets not having a say in anything. Basically how a little brother would act with his older brother cuz "older brother knows best" and its made him a very bitter man.
Recommendations:
Lover boy - its a great manhwa with real life insecurities from both main characters and its a bit angsty not as bad as this. Its complete already. On mangago
My lover my teacher- this is a lot more like love or hate and it just came out not too long ago so its low on chapters but instead of step brothers its cousins. With a manipulative top only thing is i havent seen this on mangago yet
Yatamomo- this is a lot darker to me than love or hate and a lot more toucher subjects. It actually made me cry cuz momo is the best bottom I've ever read about in my opinion. This is complete too. On mangago
The only one I haven't read is Yatamomo, I'll give it a go!
One of my favourites are Kikoeru, Jealousy and Lie, Cry, Like.
I recommend all of them and I will put Yatamomo on my to read list. Thank you!
Thank you! I'll check these out.
I need more of this vanilla fluff and sex in my life, please
U and me both!! I'm crying and leaking at the same time !!!
Literally, the amount of liquid that flowed out was scary
I was enjoying the single life until I read these mangas and wish I wasn't single. I'm definitely going to order me some new toys
Hell yes, sister x'D Unfortunately, toys and 2D boys beat 3D boys any time
Your Speaking str8 Truth My siblings describe me as the weird one. I was literally over joyed with happiness. They now call me normal
The 'weird ones' are the best ones
Let's ignore the ships for a while and who you want with who, but let's focus on the fact that the mangaka is giving us actual people with insecurities and screwed up personalities and no perfect moral compass. This stuff feels so painfully real and Haesoo is too relatable.
Or am I just a painfully screwed up individual?
noo , i agree with you
I think it's mostly relatable to twenty-somethings like us (i'm assuming the number in your username is your birthdate).
I'm not sure I would have found it relatable if I was younger, with less experience. But yes, I love it and am really enjoying all the characters.
I know what you mean yea I ship taku with haesoo but that's because I can see Haesoo be himself with taku and let his guard down hopefully in the future. Haesoo is a lot more relatable then I care to admit and the one thing I am most looking forward to is haesoo overcoming his writers block and learning how to speak up for himself. & definitely hoping he realizes his true worth because he thinks way too little of himself.
Yep, I'm 25. You could be right definitely, I highly doubt someone with less experience would find it relatable. This is why it's so good though, it's not often you find a really serious, relatable BL. Ten Count was one of the rare ones I also found truly relatable due to how screwed up everyone was. It's nice to see a world that isn't black and white.
Oh, my god, I get you so much, with the whole writers block thing! My number 1 wish isn't even for anyone to end up with anyone but for Haesoo to start loving himself a bit more or really just accepting himself? I'm not even sure who I ship with who anymore, but I feel like there will be no endgame in a way? That endgame will be Haesoo deciding to forgive himself and just moving on with his life. (We are so boringly adult in this thread)
No of course if i had it my way he would definitely end up single cuz all that baggage should be resolved before ever going out with anyone. I think cuz this is yaoi I never pick for them to be by themselves is cuz it never happens. I think when Haesoo finally writes something he himself is confident in 'm going to feel so satisfied. (Judging by your user name we are probably the same age so yea the boring life of adults indeed lol)
25 :) You're right, no one ever ends up single in yaoi xD I kind of hope he'll be with Jowoon but... I don't know? I'm cool if he's with Taku, too? This is what I mean, I like all of them, they all have their baggage and everyone is so relatable! but I do hope the baby overcomes his block and just feels okay with himself. Like, proper accepts his flaws and slowly works / or doesn't work on them, but just accepts himself.
Hey, why not have these two together? Pls