The below bare minimum enjoyer got treated almost right for 0.5 seconds:
"OH MY GOD I LOVE HIM, I'M INLOVE"
be for real bitch
"below bare minimum enjoyer" lmaooo
So what?? Jaekhyung is wayyy more greener than any tops in bl world be fucking fr. Unsolicited advice: read tons of bl. You'll appreciate whatever jk been doing lol
Not wrong.
The more BL you read, the easier it is to pick out the actual fvcked up ones from the ones that behave badly but were made that way by life, not because they find it a good choice. As well as mixtures of all types or just author being random, which I hate most tbh. Ain't nothing worse than a shitty ML that's just cruel for cruelties sake without a hint of having a potential reason why he is that way. XD
Pretty sure Dan simply falls under the category of having a shit life all his life and finally seeing light. That CAN make people fall in love, some readers really need to realize that fact. XD Plus, he's likely a masochist without knowing beforehand, so that too will play a role in him liking JJ.
just because jaekyung is "greener" than other red flags doesn't automatically mean he *is* a green flag. stay deluded bestie.
You're the type I'll flush down the toilet(≧∀≦)
ever heard of "bad writing"
Unsolicited advice, stop reading disgusting bls with rape, sexual assault and Stockholm syndrome. Or I'll go back the day before your parents fucked and beg your father to pull out.
Of course, that's why I added the part of:
"As well as mixtures of all types or just author being random, which I hate most tbh. Ain't nothing worse than a shitty ML that's just cruel for cruelties sake without a hint of having a potential reason why he is that way. XD"
If it wasn't clear enough, THAT is what bad writing is when it comes to red flag characters.
Hmm i see, i get the point. I'm pretty sure my standpoint comes from a place of hate rn, pure hatred for dumb characters, even though Dan could very well be any other broke people hanging by the thread desperate and all. I just have an inherent repulsion with characters who are weak, can't do anything right, and falls inlove with their abuser that's why i think it's bad writing, using such trope is just bad writing. The author had millions of other choices for a character personality other than this boring white lotus who gets mistreated every chapter but still chose this for idk what fucking reason ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶.
I get that feeling too sometimes. Especially if you check new uploads and ALL of the characters are just annoying to say the least. That has made me take a break from reading for months once. XD
Characters like Dan rely on people being able to understand people like that or even feel relatable to them. So if you cannot understand their point of view it will easily result in them being just annoying and hating them even. People like Dan exist irl, but it's a more niche part of society, which is why authors usually change their personality along the way to make them more relatable to other types of readers. If they don't, the target audience will be small and it usually ends in people really hating to read the story. (Granted, some authors just don't care, which I kinda like, or they do it on purpose. After all: Any PR is good PR. So people reading for hate or like doesn't matter to some.)
I think the target audience for this story is people that can relate to being weak and submissive, as well as have a soft spot for typical jerk hot guys that are into SM-kinda dynamics. As well as people who see the story from a more mature viewpoint and look for rhyme and reason without it being revealed yet. (I fall into that group, as I believe JJs character as well as Dan can be written to be VERY realistic if we bring in mental issues that made them as they are and slowly need work to fix. Not that I have hope for a smut comic to actually do that. For that the opportunity to hint at this is really nowhere to be seen.)
Tho then again, there are also those who ignore the story and just focus on the good art. I have done that many times in the past and it can make stories better than actually reading them. Tho it's not easy to do if you already know wtf is going on. So that might not be an option for you to try. (￣∇￣")
I personally hope the author will at least TRY to bring in reason and JJ feeling miserable (due to a lost fight perhaps) and then they can have a better relationship. The more this continues the less I think the author will do it tho. But the drunk cuteness IS a nice start. We just need this more often to change their dynamic. I shall remain hopeful. (●'◡'●)ﾉ
I appreciate that! And i really see u looking at this in a logical view, and yes indeed I'm def not part of the soft and weak people that has a thing for non-consensual sadism T_T, if anything I don't like the idea of being submissive at all! Seeing Dan take anything and everything just irks me so goddamn much i wanna peel my skin off and pull face apart--XD.
Also, i really like how you word all these sentences! (=・ω・=) everything just sounds so..correct and careful!
I'm a very condescending person, i think, when my irks got triggered so i am amazed you can talk to me so level-headed(≧∀≦).
I'm gonna be hopeful with this too, just for Dan to get some changes or jaekyung donkey, but i def would be here again spouting all indecency if author takes this stupidity till chapter 60 or so(⌒▽⌒)
I'm a bit different there, I have a masochistic and kinky side, which is why I can enjoy stuff like that >if< I disconnect the behavior of the character with the bonking scenes. Maybe a skill aquired by reading too many fictional pieces and constant daydreaming. I am not entirely sure. It does not always work tho. XD
But I can understand how it's a major irk-factor for people who're not into submissiveness or forceful partners.
Kinda like I get aggressive-annoyed at those doe-eyed shoujo highschool girl copycat 'hErOInEs' that are as shallow as a puddle with the same personality (if there even is one besides 'she cute, teehee~'), all look the same and they ALWAYS behave the same in every scenario. Predictable doesn't even cut it. I do not fathom how people can enjoy these characters 100 times in a row. Let alone those that demand an actual interesting and human-like shoujo girl MC should be more like the obnoxious puddles. My head cannot understand those people. :D
D'aww~, thank you very much! ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
Maybe it's my hobby of being a writer that plays into this. Being able to word things well is a needed skill with that after all. XD Plus, I like being detailed (sometimes too much) so there won't be misunderstandings or open questions.
No worries. Years of YouTube trolls and triggered people that picked fights with me have prepared me to stay calm and peaceful in any discussion. XD As long as you don't hurl insults at me, I have no reason to not be civil. Disagreement doesn't equal hate after all. Many people online need to re-learn that very important little thing in life. (▰˘◡˘▰)
Besides, I didn't really find you that condescending tbh. More like poking fun. And that's fine by me, I can laugh about stuff I like and dislike all the same. ^^
As long as the audience stays around, I can see this going for 100 chapters tbh. Stories have been milked further than that, so I wouldn't be surprised. Tho I hope we do get more than bonking. I like sloppy smut, but character developement is WAY more needed for these two dum-dums. Fingers crossed we get that sometime soon. I don't want to leave a review in which the only positive point is the art.... ;v;
Any romance that would ever bloom is just romanticized Stockholm syndrome, anybody who likes this needs to ne be examined. The author gotta know that there's other ways and genres that can earn bigher money than this genre of abuse and toxicity, it's a waste of art skills.
Every chapter with "translated by manhwaclan" is like I'm talking to Razor, I can't make off of any of what they're saying
Idk why i can't get myself to like this manhwa, it gives off the feeling of a story progressing because the author just wants to and not as a story itself. It's not immersive as a literature. Everything is handed out to us directly like a manual, fastfood, no build-ups, random ass stuffs and characters who overthinks things. It's like, the only reason why the story is progressing is because everybody's overthinking.(￣∇￣") Idk how else to describe this. Shallow? Generic? Weird? It gives the fiction kind of fiction in a bad way >/<.
I guess I've been too immersed in this story plot and the characters that I am gonna have to explain it to people at the back who seems to want everything to turn into rainbows and butterflies.
PLEASE TRY TO RECALL ALL THESE PLOT POINTS
1) Yuri is a victim of Parental abuse, neglect and has a very broken family views, he's dependent on kindness and was attracted to his sister
2) Teacher was another victim of issues related to his parents, with his mother being obsessively controlling. In addition to that, he also struggled with his sexuality as a teen kid.
3) Their relationship did not, I REPEAT, DID NOT STARTED in a GOOD WAY. The start of their encounters was a major red flag, and it has never been as smooth sailing even now. Why? Read first two points and 4th point.
4) They were both into one-sided attraction to people they couldn't have, who ended up together. Yuri's sister and teacher's friend. And they were both obsessed.
5) at the start, their frustrations was released through SEXUAL ACTIONS (sex, bjs, drunk sexual acts) and jt was usually never a two-way consent
Now, reading all these is not enough to explain how this story is unfolding like this right now. So please gather a bit more comprehension, majority of people here needs it.
6) TEACHER IS NOT INNOCENT, HE IS NOT "KIND KIND" (not that he's evil) nor WAS HE EVEN AN EXEMPLARY ROLE MODEL TO YURI during the first part of this story. He kissed Yuri without consent, he had sex with Yuri and he had sex with several other men to vent. Also, don't forget that every single time, it was because he had the other guy in his mind. He's irresponsible in a way and also lacks the determination to abstain whenever Yuri does make his advance. This indecisiveness was then proven and shown at the later part.
7) YURI HAS NEVER BEEN MENTALLY STABLE. He is impulsive and selfish, (evidence shown when he 2as rude to his sister's husband infront of his sister whom he claimed he love) He does not think of other people's emotions, more like he lacks the ability to accomodate their feelings or think of their point of view. He's violent and has a vile mouth. I do not understant how yall are coming at him now like he was never like this to begin with. It wasn't severaly shown at first but there was a reason WHY HE WORSENED. I really think you should atleast know this right, since you read the story up till this latest part.
So WHY EXACTLY DID YURI TURNED OUT LIKE THIS? "YANDERE?" "POSSESSIVE?"
He fell inlove with Teacher when teacher was down in the dumps, accompanied him in the hotel and they practically lived together. Although those moments, every second, wasn't shown in it's entirety, it was a long time of Yuri abd Teacher co-existing and depending on one another emotionally. It's not just a period of living together, it was the moment when Yuri finally started accepting his feelings and ACTUALLY STARTING TO CHANGE. However, this change is dependent to teacher.
And teacher on the other hand, IS CONFLICTED AND INDECISIVE. He persisted to refuse or denounce Yuri's advances, concluded it as a whim because Yuri is younger. Which is something I'd say I could kind of understand since I read the first manhwa of author *the story of Yuri's friend and his bf). However, teacher does not self reflect nor does he want to admit to his wrongdoings.
Why? He had already accepted Yuri as a way to satisfy his sexual frustration several times, but yaps about it being wrong because he was his student.
Another tipping point that broke the line that keeps Yuri in check was the argument, followed by the sexual assault and then the abandonment. CAN YOU UNDERSTAND NOW? This obsession or possessiveness wasn't something that appeared OUT OF THE BLUE, It has been foreshadowed several times and is literally the plot of the story. IT HAS BEEN HERE SINCE DAY 1.
A mere reunion would not be enough to solve this pile of misunderstanding, trauma and distrust the couple has. THE VOCAL ACCEPTANCE OF TEACHER IS NOT ENOUGH to fix the bigger issue, and YURI REFUSES TO MATURE AND UNDERSTAND. They are both in the wrong. But all of a sudden, it was all Yuri's fault and the teacher deserves better?? Did he ever apologised to everything he'd done? Nope, why? Because he was drunk. But drunken stupor should not be an excuse to irresponsibility.
PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE STORY. It pains me that people here are so superficial and shallow. Almost like they did not read this at all. Everyone is asking for the good things as if the story was tagged under the genre of fairytale. This story resonates with me on a different level. It's because people seem more real, flawed and tainted. And broken relationships don't get better with just a kiss or a fuck. Calm down and wait for things to get better, or things to finay fall apart.
In conclusion: Comprehension is key.
Thank u god, it's a psychological piece for good reason like
These were the words I didn’t have. Σ(っ°Д °;)っ nailed it!
riiithr???? It's like so good and so real so Im so batshit cause people just wants all the good stuff, when it's such a well-written psychological bl
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my biggest concern is that we’re seeing these flaws very strongly again in their relationship in the apparent EPILOGUES. although we’re at epilogue 11, when will the chapters and development suddenly come to an end? their relationship and they themselves are both extremely toxic and unhealthy, but i’d at least want another season for them to improve and i don’t know if the epilogues can provide that. thanks for writing all of this though!
we can understand all this shit while still hating the character's actions.
1) this written for people who thinks the story should be in its rainbows and butterflies phase when all plot points is still being slowly resovlved (some not even) (highly weird cause it's already on ep)
2) i do not understand hating on characters you understand
3) it is not shit
yeah honestly my hope is slim, and if they don't end up together i won't even be surprised. Though i would still probably hate it if it is wrapped up without us ever seeing this relationship ever actually progress ╥﹏╥
Right now everything seems forced and unnatural. Teacher treats Yuri like a baggage he has to accept and Yuri treats teacher like a possession instead of a lover （￣へ￣). This is already the epilogue but the characters aren't getting any better.
read again. i said actions.
I am pretty sure you hate the character too, pls don't sugarcoat. Though it is alright to hate what is happening right now, and character actions (i also dislike yuri calling teacher manwhore even though teacher isn't really innocent from this claim) the point still stands. Nobody seemed to hate teacher for going AWOL but all of a sudden everybody is livid with yuri. That was why this thread was written in the first place, just to pinpoint that wrong is wrong but things aren't like this because the author just suddenly wanted a yandere. If u get this already then this isn't for you, it's for the people at the back. Also, i don't know what tone this is but if a statement is contradictory to your emotions (assuming this tone isn't friendly) pls think twice before snapping.
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PREACH SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
this is just a discussion, since comments came backヾ(☆▽☆)
no i don't. but you can think whatever you want. whatever has happened to the characters explained their actions, but it doesn't excuse it. i'm not writing paragraphs to explain this to a stranger lol. have a good day
Alright, have a good day(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
I cannot physically, emotionally or mentally hate Yuri. It's impossible. His actions are like recipes for disaster no doubt, overly possessive and controlling but i just fucking cant hate him, what is this curse ╥﹏╥. Author, please fix him. He needs therapy ╥﹏╥. I'm crying blood swèat and tears cause this doesn't seem to be getting better ╥﹏╥.
6.1 rating? That can't be.
This should've been a solid 0. It's disgusting, gross, horrendous, terrible, vomit-inducing, pile of fucking shitty fucking garbage plot.
Okay, this artstyle is good alright very pretty, but wtf is this head to body ratio goin on in korean yaoi HSHSHSHHSAHWHHAHAHAA what happened to anthropometry??? Even if u want to portray someone with great muscular body and small attractive face this just isn't it XD. I cackled at ep 2 when i saw Jitae's body and head. What's your reference? The colossal titan???(≧∀≦)