How about we don't simplify months of horrible sexual, emotional, and physical abuse with just a couple chapters of consensual makeup sex lol it's kinda undermine the entire thing Kim Dan went through that way
AMEN
DIOS QUE BRONCAAAAAAAAAA
but its what dans want. think on his perspective, he just wans to leave the past in the past and be happy. He clearly is still broken, but he still wants to do the stuffs he wants, just let him be, he deserves to be ahppy and do what he wants, if he wants that dick let him.
Let the characters breathe please
No I agree with you, if Dan is happy to forgive him and everything then I'm all happy for him. I'm talking about the author here. At first I thought she cooked up some really nice redemption arc for Jaekyung and grew a pair of balls for Kim Dan, considering the heinous things Jaekyung did to him previously. But I supposed she won't go that far and this is all the best that we get now haha
I agree with that, i wanted some more yearning, i think we will still get it. Jk looks like he is still not ok with dans condition, so i hope he will not just let things be, doesnt look like jk forgave himself although it looks like dan isnt making a big deal of it
I think I have read this story so many times I lost count anymore haha
To be honest I love all five of the "love interests" with all their flaws and strengths. I personally like that they are all not exactly a one dimensional character and that you can hate them as much as you love them.
The best of them is Callisto Regulus of course but I personally really love Winter Verdandi too. Callisto is like bright, burning fire. He's brave, loud, honorable, loyal, and very perceptive especially when it's concern with Penelope. But I really love Winter too, he's such an introverted, gentle soul who's just trying his best to help and protect vulnerable and marginalized people.
I personally Derrick and Reynold (the brothers) wasn't really all that bad either as the story progress. Sure they were hardcore jerks at the start of the story but overtime I believe they come to genuinely care and protective over Penelope as their younger sibling. Too bad the Ivonne impostor came and ruin their relationship. I can't bring myself to hate Derrick in that regard, he was under the influence of dark magic all this time and even then his subconscious tried a few times to break free of it. I think it's kinds unfair to hate on him and wish him death when he was not even himself. I really wish Derrick can sincerely apologize to Penelope and mend their brother-sister relationship after the Leila has been defeated.
Now about Eckles... Man, that entire guy existence is just tragic all over. Starting from a slave, he's just genuinely wanted to survive and live a better life than what he had. You can't really blame him for being obsessively in love and extremely devoted to the lady who saved him. And although I completely understand where Penelope is coming from, but the way she kinda "discarded" Eckles kinda sting me a bit ngl. Especially when he break free to find her after her attempt, and for her to coldly told him he was the biggest reason why she did what she did... Damn that hurts.
I just genuinely wished the other male leads aside from Callisto, who's obviously going to be the end game winner of Penelope, will also find love and happiness along the way. Even not love, perhaps at least some kind of peace in life. I know, it might be possible for the other four but not for Eckles. Still, a girl can hope.
Sorry, I was whole hearty with you until you said something about Derrick not being that bad. Yeah no everyone has opinions and I respect it. I swear, but HIM just no.
For eckles I agree he's just there to be tragical. He's just moving from one manipulation to another, I feel bad for him. BUT, he broke my heart, I was routing for him damnit
I can't help but wonder if you read as many as you claim because Derrick IS actually so bad that he deserves being hated. He never really showed remorse. He doesn't even realize what he did wrong. He has always been controlling of Penelope. He never trusted her. He never had her best interests in mind. It was always about himself. He hadn't even been brainwashed at the time and the reason he kept getting brainwashed, more so than others, is because he never understood Penelope.
I feel like there's a lot of layers as to why Derrick was the way that he was. First, of course it was the trauma of losing his little sister. He was the one who hold her hand and supposed to protect her the day she disappeared. That results in neverending guilt for him. Then his father suddenly brought a girl that seems like his little sister replacement without even talking to him first about it. Derrick was still openly grieving and so does Reynold. Their father being so emotionally distant also didn't help their relationship at all. Also, Derrick has a lot of pressure to uphold the family name and the OG Penelope causing ruckus everywhere, worsen the public image of their family, only add to the bitterness of their relationship. We're not talking about the transmigrated Penelope, but the OG Penelope wasn't exactly innocent and perfect either. She didn't know how to communicate her feelings well (I supposed it's also because the earlier prejudiced by the brothers but still) so she was raising hell for everyone instead. Eventually with the transmigrated Penelope, we found out that Derrick do care for her adoptive sister on many occasions. Though it might be hard for him to trust her 100% again considering her attitude and the trouble OG!Penelope did all this time before. It's understandable honestly.
Well why don't you tell me the reason why you think Derrick is so bad and unforgivable at all? I would like you to explain it to me, and don't be vague about it either. Like you said he's always controlling Penelope and he never had her best interest in mind. Tell me the example of those situations and the reasons of what made you think that way.
Also, I really don't like your tone as if I don't grasp what I'm reading simply because we have different opinions. That is very condescending and disrespectful of you. None of us are the better than the other just because we have different interpretation of the materials that we read. After all you and me have different experience, upbringing, morality, etc that might cause the differences. Every form of art is always open to multiple interpretations after all, webtoon is not an exception. We can discuss about it and you can disagree with me without claiming that I don't read as well as you do.
I said so because I feel like there's a lot of layers as to why Derrick was the way that he was. First, of course it was the trauma of losing his little sister. He was the one who hold her hand and supposed to protect her the day she disappeared. That results in neverending guilt for him. Then his father suddenly brought a girl that seems like his little sister replacement without even talking to him first about it. Derrick was still openly grieving and so does Reynold. Their father being so emotionally distant also didn't help their relationship at all. Also, Derrick has a lot of pressure to uphold the family name and the OG Penelope causing ruckus everywhere, worsen the public image of their family, only add to the bitterness of their relationship. We're not talking about the transmigrated Penelope, but the OG!Penelope wasn't exactly innocent and perfectly tragic either. We forgot about her because what we're seeing right now is a different Penelope. But previously, the OG!Penelope didn't know how to communicate her feelings well (I supposed it's also because of the earlier prejudiced by the brothers) so she was raising hell for everyone instead. Eventually with the transmigrated Penelope, we found out that Derrick do care for her adoptive sister on multiple occasions. Though it might be hard for him to trust her 100% again considering her previous attitude and the trouble OG!Penelope did all this time before. It's understandable for me personally.
Sure, you can have your opinion, your views, but saying that Derrick genuinely cares for Penelope is a blatant lie. My reasoning wasn't even that vague but if you want examples I can tell.
The most obvious representation of his desires is the caged pink bird he keeps in his office. He's simply obsessed with her and not in a brotherly way. Penelope realizes that. He also doesn't like it when other male leads talk to her (I can't really explain each moment but when she met Vinter after the hunting competion trial and when the crown prince asked her for a dance are 2 examples). The OG!Penelope was indeed immature in a way but the reason she kept throwing tantrums was because EVERYONE (maids, servants, other nobles) kept harassing her and she couldn't do anything about it as NO ONE took her side. No one listened to her. The proof of it can be seen when Penelope was blamed for the attack on the crown prince. Derrick didn't even listen to her side of the story. Then there's the Penelope poisoning event but let's just excuse him for being brainwashed. He never apologized for his actions, even though he somewhat realized that he messed up during the hunting trial.
Now I actually agree with most of what you said. Especially that hunting incident where Penelope was incarcerated and framed for the attack on Callisto and Derrick still decided to not listen to her and trust her. That almost cost her everything. I also hate him very much during that moment.
I also agree about Penelope being immature because everyone kept harrassing her, which is why in my other reply I also blamed her father for this issue. He knows what might happen to Penelope when he decided to take her and adopted her into his household, especially when everyone is still grieving for the beloved missing daughter Ivonne. He should have expected that his sons and the rest of the household would resent the new adoptive daughter for being the "replacement" for Ivonne; it's as if like traces of Ivonne was being erased and going to be replaced by her. Which is why his father should have protected Penelope through it all. Communicate properly with her, ask her what she truly wants and needs, instead of being emotionally distant and showering her with endless luxury, selfishly assuming that's what she wanted the most.
Sure, overtime Reynold and Derrick should have mature and understand that Penelope was not to blame for anything and even if they find it hard to be actual brothers for her, the least they could do is to be cordial to the innocent girl. They were wrong for fuelling the hostility fire in that household. They should take accountability and properly apologized for that. Which is why I said, they were hardcore jerks at the start of the story.
But still, as the story progress, I feel like both Reynold and Derrick grew to genuinely care about Penelope in their own way. Reynold is a lot more obvious and straightforward with his regret and apology, but I like to think that even Derrick regret his actions to some degree as well when he confronted Penelope right after she left the guilt before she left for Arkina.
Also to be clear, I'm not saying Derrick is blameless or defending his wrong actions. I'm saying that despite it all, I personally believe that he does care for Penelope in his own way. Personally being the keyword here. Which is why I might be wrong here but I'd like to think that he actually does.
I'm sure you understand that a purely subjective opinion can't be "a blatant lie" especially when it comes to interpretation of artwork. Not exactly a factual statement.
Fair enough. You're sure hanging onto that thin thread of positivity. It's apparent that Derrick didn't want to intentionally hurt her. But his denial of his own twisted feelings is what caused misfortune for Penelope.
Oh I definitely agree with that one. I know it's not easy to get over the lost of a sibling, especially when that younger sibling was supossed to be your responsibility but I think after years passed by, Derrick should have come to term that Penelope is his sister right now and regardless of Ivonne returns or not, Penelope is not going anywhere and would still be his sister. There's definitely something darker that caused it, maybe something else beside trauma and guilt, but ultimately it ended up hurting everyone and especially Penelope.
Just to be clear, Derrick never accepted Penelope as his sister. His feelings also became more "romantically inclined". He doesn't want to accept that and that's why he behaves in such an irrational way. Proof of that is the color of his affection meter and the fact that Ivonne used it to provoke him.
I like it, not the best but the art is pretty and the characters... well I guess I've read worse haha this one is still very much palatable for me lol
Though I must say, that side story was pretty triggering for me personally. You have no idea how awful it feels to have a man that you rejected kindly and carefully end up spreading fake terrible rumours about you throughout your college years, while all the time he's been acting like he's such a good guy to you. But then the moment things didn't go his way, he really didn't hesitate to stab you in the back. Unfortunately I wasn't Baekdan and I don't have my own Musin to protect me and defend me in front of those bastards so I just have to suck it up and focus on school so I could finish it as soon as possible. It's been years past behind me now but that terrible memory still linger sometimes.
I was gonna say that fucking reject's retaliation was exaggerated. But then I realize, there are real life assholes that's far worse. I was hoping for the ML to beat him up, but i guess they i have to end the story with "good vibes" (〜￣△￣)〜
Oh believe me, there are some serious hardcore losers out there who would really go out of their way to fuck up a woman's life if they dare to reject him. I guess at least I'm lucky he didn't went batshit and stab me to death in the college parking lot. But those awful rumors he spread really did make my college year miserable.
It was pretty good down until the public sex happen. That was humiliation in the most absurd way. Not to mention they did it in front of all the children present at the wedding as well? Yeah it's a nope from me.
excuse me they did What!!
I'm sorry but it doesn't make sense that everyone is free from the system and had their happy ending but Cliff ended up with a fate like that. That's just horrible since he too was being strung along like a puppet by the creator and the novel system all this time. I feel like he should have had better ending somehow. Like I dont know, live in exile perhaps but then eventually found a new life purpose there with the common people and maybe someone else to show him love that is not obssesive but reliable and trustworthy? Then eventually mending up his relationship with his family and maybe even introducing his new love to the family. That'll be a lot better for him. I dont know man, Cliff was horrible to Edith but it was not exactly all on him. To me it's like we're punishing someone under a vicious hypnosis which is just unfair (╯︵╰,)
As an avid fan of both the novel and the manhwa, I feel sort of... underwhelmed. For thr lack of better word. I feel like in the novel Kaelus was slightly more cryptic about his feelings to Hestia which is why he often come across as... not as much in love with Hestia compared to how much Hestia love Kaelus. Though I personally feel like it's just a matter of expression, since Hestia is generally a lot more expressive than Kaelus when it comes to her feelings and we see the story from her POV so sometimes it can get a bit one-sided.
In the manga, we see a more balanced act in the romance part since even though we also read the story from Hestia's POV, we can also see Kaelus expression and how he react to Hestia. I think it's clear that the artist also made Kaelus a lot more affectionate and warm in the manhwa compared to the novel.
But... what was the point of that end? That was so rushed and completely strayed from the point. In the novel, Hestia basically realized that the life she currently lives in is her new reality and she stop acting like someone from the outside world and actually start living her life as herself in her current reality. Hestia had a hard time accepting this because Kaelus momentarily made her felt like she lose her purpose. Which is why the suicide attempt happened. And after that, Kaelus and Hestia decided to actually live their life only for each other and live it to the fullest. Which is why [SPOILER ALERT] in the novel they left the Capital to live in Attica.
I think that ending with the novel is a lot more humane and essentially what makes Hestia so attractive and relatable as a character. Because she learned to "let go" and she learned to live and she did it because of herself. Because she found the purpose in her. Not because some random deity told her so. So yeah, I wished they kept the original storyline. I also like the talk that Hestia did with Helios near the end and when Helios told her about his current state with Diana. Hestia has pretty much win at that point. And she eventually realized there's a lot more to live than just plotting revenge. And that was a lot more like poetic justice I think.
Yes I was thinking the same !! I prefer the novel because of the more human' side of the characters (like why the goddess is show when she never appear in the novel). I think the manhwa is rush at some point like you said. It didn't do justice for the novel !!
I really recommend that everyone read the novel !
I wish I could pin this comment, it totally sums up what I also wanted to say. ಥ╭╮ಥ
Pissed me off why that piece of shit JK even come and found him now of all times. I bet twenty dollars he didn't have a speck of remorse inside his dead-bird brain. I need him to suffer more and actually feel sorry and contemplates his wrongdoings to Kim Dan.
At least Jiwon from BJ Alex does think about his past action and feel actual remorse about it, and his awfulness is not even a quarter of what this bastard JK did, so I expect more from the author.
A part of me didn't want to see Kim Dan suffers more than he already is but also I feel like if that's necessary for that bastard to see the severity of his actions and actually grovel at Kim Dan's feet to apologize then so be it. Just not now, at least not yet. Not when that guy still don't understand the severity of his problem.
I've binge all the 21 chapters and surprisingly I really like it lol. First of all, Naos is actually a respectful guy even though he's rather callous at the beginning. He's considerate to Pania and always ask for her consent so that's a great start.
Pania's body also has normal proportion, she doesn't have ridiculously huge bazoongas like a lot of FL in smut webtoons. She has a youthful appearance and a petite body but I know a lot of adult women with body and face like that, esp in Asian countries where I'm from lol. I also love that this is not just smut all over but actually does have a storyline to follow and it's not just 'stick it in and cum' but they do a lot of foreplays and basically it's all fun and sexy to read haha
I hope they continue this development of story. I love that Pania also trying to communicate to Naos so it doesn't become misunderstanding between them. I also hope that they keep this monoamory esp the sexual part, please let the guild master be nothing more than just a silly love rival to Naos (=・ω・=)
The heck with people being angry about heterosexual omegaverse? News flash even in the BL omegaverse, there's always female omega and female alpha. Another news flash for you, the artists and writers of those BL webtoons that your fetishizing ass loves so much are most likely created by... *drumrolls* STRAIGHT WOMEN!! That's right, those CISHET FEMALES are the one that creates those beautiful and erotic BL webtoons, only a very few portion of them are actually made by men, and not 100% of those male webtoon artists are gay either. So either Korean, Japanese, or Chinese BL they are mostly made by cishet women.
So I really don't understand the point you're trying to make to hate so much on the heterosexual relationship except for the fact that it ruins your fetish fantasy of seeing homosexual relationship. Love story and erotic manga/webtoon are made for everyone on the sexuality spectrum. They are not made to be exclusively consumed by a single type of sexuality.
Beside, how are you here in the first place? The cover clearly show A DUDE AND A GIRL. If you despise hetero relationship so much, this site has HUNDRED THOUSANDS of BL webtoon that you are free to indulge.
Tldr; gtfo.
CLOCK ITT IM SO SICK OF PPL HATING ON STRAIGHT MANHWAS AND FETISH BL ONES!!
I know right??? Like I understand not being a fan of certain genre or trope, I too would avoid any webtoon that doesn't suit my taste no matter how highly raved it was, but what's with the absolute blatant hatred around here just because the omegaverse couple is heterosexual? LOVE IS LOVE. Regardless of their sexuality, every love deserves to be embraced and celebrated.
so you've chosen to spit STRAIGHT FUCKING FACTS
That's right babe someone gotta say it lol
Don't hate me on this but pregnant sex scene is always extremely super duper hot hahaha ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄
But seriously tho if anyone has recommendation or maybe a list of cis-het pregnancy webtoon I'd love to read them lol