Hello. This is a free forum and everyone expresses his ideas. You too. I like to discuss, with calm and arguments. But I'm frustrated not knowing exactly what you think about manga.
Hello. This is a free forum and everyone expresses his ideas. You too. I like to discuss, with calm and arguments. But I'm frustrated not knowing exactly what you think about manga. @LF
I'm frustrated, too. Why no one here can understand, I also want to discuss, but when I see your reaction there is no desire to express, sorry. Just wait for someone with a common language to show up.
I do not know what to say really. I have tried in the past to exchange my opinions with you; Maybe I was skeptical and unbelieving but I never offended anyone. This can not be a post where we just say we have different ideas. I asked you for an explanation, on the post you canceled. You said you can not give it, that's fine. I still ask the question: what do you think is the relationship that binds Asami and Feilong? What does it mean that Fei is the "third target"?
I have never heard of a relationship of love between Asami and Fei ever. Maybe an (old) idea to develop a relationship during HL. But Sensei has changed his mind.
I do not know what to say really. I have tried in the past to exchange my opinions with you; Maybe I was skeptical and unbelieving but I never offended anyone. This can not be a post where we just say we have d... @LF
I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. To be exact, I forgot who it was, and I saw someone say I created a 'storm' for them? So I chose to wait for someone who can communicate to prove that I'm not any crazy fan.
The important thing is not invading other posts with Fei talk; I do not think there is any problem if you express your opinion here. See, Asami and Akihito are the main manga pair, questioning their love is difficult, unless there are valid arguments. Or you risk being considered obsessive fans. Ps: I do not really believe that there will be a love relationship between A and F. I would like to know why you believe it. Thank you
I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. To be exact, I forgot who it was, and I saw someone say I created a 'storm' for them? So I chose to wait for someone who can communicate to prove that I'm not any crazy fan. Schokolade
It was me, sorry for that, but I thought you were the person who has the theory of Asam and Fei as the real couple of Finder. When we start having arguments with someone here, there's always someone who pointed out that all of Fei fans have the secret desire to have Fei and Asami together. It isn't like that, anyone has a different opinion, even among Fei fans.
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I also recognized the person. But I still want to find out what he has to say. Hoping for the other times to provide some arguments. I do not share his theory, indeed I find it impossible. But I think he has the right to express it. The post title is clear, who wants to ignore it.
I also recognized the person. But I still want to find out what he has to say. Hoping for the other times to provide some arguments. I do not share his theory, indeed I find it impossible. But I think he has th... @LF
If you search some posts (and pages before), you'll find out what that person has to say. It's the same idea of Asami and Fei being the real couple, and Asami using Aki to disguise his passion for Fei.
Yes, I know, I would like to understand how "way" Aki is used ... and what are the clues that make you think of a loving Passion of Asami towards fei. @LF
There are no clues. It's a fantasy. This person needs to head over to the fanfiction sites.
There are no clues. It's a fantasy. This person needs to head over to the fanfiction sites. @Anonymous
Hi Anon. I also recognize your style. I think I understand the annoyance that comes from your perspective. Read a manga with a clear texture, affection to the protagonists, look forward to a happy ending that will be but late to arrive; Read the comments of those who say that the couple you love is a fiction, and, without giving any more dictation, continues to support absurd data from your point of view. Now, I also do not think that Asami and Fei will ever be together, but if this person wants him ardently, he can continue to dream. I do not think it is necessary to offend him. Maybe he really know something that we do not know, or maybe not, and just he only wants to see, or maybe he's still a troll. We do not know, but so far he has never offended anyone and as long as he does not and opens the post I think he should be able to write. The Asami / Fei couple never existed, but I understand because it's hard to let it go if you believe it a bit.
^ the Asami/Fei couple DID exist, though briefly, seven years ago @Smoothie not logged in
If I read only HL, I agree with you......but in NT Asami says to Fei that he does not want to take him as not done seven years ago. Asami himself demolishing the couple (hypothetical); We readers can not disregard it. what do you think about it, Smoothie?
If I read only HL, I agree with you......but in NT Asami says to Fei that he does not want to take him as not done seven years ago. Asami himself demolishing the couple (hypothetical); We readers can not disr... @LF
The person who posted this has the idea that everything Asami is doing now is to conquer Fei, to gain his love, and that he's using Aki as something he's showing to his enemies to make them think Aki is his real weakness and protect the identity of his real love interest (Fei). So: ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Interpret it as you prefer.
The person who posted this has the idea that everything Asami is doing now is to conquer Fei, to gain his love, and that he's using Aki as something he's showing to his enemies to make them think Aki is his rea... LadyLigeia
The people who are proficient in the story are concentrated in China's forum and I told them here, but I don't know if they would like to come here to discuss it . I haven't finished reading the manga, but look forward to seeing these discussions.
Am I not only one not getting what the heck people are talking about in this thread? ねえねえ
The people are trying to say that AxF is real, that Aki is a beard so that Asami can pursue his true love, Fei. At least, that is what I gathered from the OP, others are calling bull and are asking for OP to prove the theory, which has not happened (as there is NO evidence for the theory)
Est-ce toi?A taste of your own medicine, darling. Asami took a taste and ran away for another reason. @Anon of Anon
Seriously though, you're both right. They certainly weren't a couple, but other reasons made it that he had to get out anyway.
Honestly, I always interpreted the whole kissing, handjob and overall dominant attitude thing as Asami's way to stress relief him because he was getting too reckless.
Seriously though, you're both right. They certainly weren't a couple, but other reasons made it that he had to get out anyway.Honestly, I always interpreted the whole kissing, handjob and overall dominant attit... ねえねえ
Or, he was a 'ladies man' on the prowl and was feeling horny, but saw that Fei could be an ally and held back ... plus he saw that Fei was too vulnerable for a one nigh stand at that time.
I do not know what to say really. I have tried in the past to exchange my opinions with you; Maybe I was skeptical and unbelieving but I never offended anyone. This can not be a post where we just say we have d... @LF
Or, he was a 'ladies man' on the prowl and was feeling horny, but saw that Fei could be an ally and held back ... plus he saw that Fei was too vulnerable for a one nigh stand at that time. tokidoki
I still believe that the AXF pair has not been and will not be there. But I also think that Asami was attracted to Fei. If we consider the facts, Asami tells Fei he does not want to force him. These are his words, not an interpretation. I do not think he just wanted to calm him down, no sense, Asami does not kiss a man he does not like. he tried to hold back, but whenFei cries he does not resist and kisses him Then he realizes that he has gone further, caresses him after the orgasm, and when he sees Fei's embarrassed reaction, he renounces. Asami understands that Fei wants a father, not a lover. After seven years Asami meets Akihito and falls in love, without any doubt. Asami loves Akihito, he wants love form Akihito, not from Feilong.
I believe that explanation is this, but obviously it's just my opinion. It provides the initial plot that sensei wanted to give to VF and which then changed. Sensei had initially thought of a plot in which Asami and Feilong had had an erotic past (not romantic, erotic) that would not have developed in the future because after seven years Asami would have fallen in love with Akihito and Feilong would have to die. Fei was supposed to be an important character, but totally negative that moved by the desire for revenge (and jealousy?) should have hindered the main couple and then died. The death of the "third inconvenient" would have sanctioned Axa's love and happiness without any problems for anyone. HL is the mirror of a real erotic tension. Then something changes. Sensei understands that creating such a heavy weight between A and F could have made VF a little appetizing to many fans. The fandom wanted to see a "pure" love without interference from the past. Also, Feilong gets a success that Yamane did not expect, and decides to change the plot and let feilong live. To do this and "save" goat and cabbage must "erase" the HL's atmosphere and does it in the scene where Asami and feilong collide, Fei kisses Asami and he has no reaction. This point is fundamental because NT's clear message is that Asami does not want to Feilong physically. The contradiction of Asami's attitude between HL and NT remains a big difference, which has no solution because now HL has been written. A bit like the first chapter of VF: Sensei says he does not get fed up with his work: too raw and hard. But he can not delete it now: when he designed it, VF was to be a oneshot, then the plan changed. The fandom in my opinion has a lot of influence on the plot.
I want to point out that this is just one of my reconstructions that is based on chapter reading, Sensei's words and some fan comments. In my head the contradictions of VF do not conceal the intent to lead to a change of pair, absolutely not. I'm just the mirror of a change in the editorial line. And I would like to point out that in both cases I have never questioned the Love between Akihito and Asami. There is no discussion of this. We only discuss about Asami and Fei in HL, seven years before, and I emphasize BEFORE, Aki's entry into Asami's life.
I finish this long comment saying that for me now this is no longer important. The first images I see of Feilong show a calm and contented person. Even FNR reading makes me believe that by now Feilong (finally) has gone beyond the past. Sorry the long comment, maybe boring, but I just said all I thought. The end.
I believe that explanation is this, but obviously it's just my opinion. It provides the initial plot that sensei wanted to give to VF and which then changed. Sensei had initially thought of a plot in which Asam... @LF
U are trying to connect what Y.A said in real time to the manga. as to how she and somehow connect it to Feilong Asami and make a timeline that does not exist. The fandom did not influence the plot. The plot never changed, The chap. where Asami meets Feilong for the !st, time was to show that whole chap. between Asami and Fei can be taken as setup for the Hong Kong story why Fei do what he did. Why Fei after Asami in the first place. When that chap. takes place there is no Takaba and Asami and as such can be taken as background information. She says Feilong became popular(fandom influ.) he lived, but I kind of think that would have happened anyway. Feilong being alive did not change the plot. It was still abt. mc Takaba adventures.
Certainly it is a personal hypothesis. However, what I have said does not rule out the fact that HL was conceived as an explanation of the actions of Fei and Asami in NT. I just think that the past of Fei and Asami should have been more consistent with Asami's physical approach to Fei. To say that Asami only wants to calm Fei, or that he did not like at the time, is strange because it contradicts the same Asami's words "I will not force you". There is sweetness in this sentence, not repulsion.
I believe that explanation is this, but obviously it's just my opinion. It provides the initial plot that sensei wanted to give to VF and which then changed. Sensei had initially thought of a plot in which Asam... @LF
There is no contradiction unless the reader infers what is not there. What is there is very clear. Asami himself tells Fei and the reader outright that he is not interested. Reinforced by Asami's lack of reaction to Fei's kiss in Naked Truth. There was nothing to contradict except what readers have built up in their minds because they have fallen for the sad underdog trope.
Look at the page superscript, in the introduction three main characters are "Target in the Finder" target 001 002 003 http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ayano_yamane_illustrations_aya/bt/30818/Ch1/25/http://www.m... @Anonymous
What's your point? There are cast pages for volumes seven and eight, too, which list Kuroda, Sudou, Sakazaki, and Mitari. Are they main characters, too?
There is no contradiction unless the reader infers what is not there. What is there is very clear. Asami himself tells Fei and the reader outright that he is not interested. Reinforced by Asami's lack of reacti... @Anonymous
Le perdant, vous dites? Take fresh air darling, you need it.
What's your point? There are cast pages for volumes seven and eight, too, which list Kuroda, Sudou, Sakazaki, and Mitari. Are they main characters, too? @Anonymous
You're losing your cool darling, why are you so desperate?
Certainly it is a personal hypothesis. However, what I have said does not rule out the fact that HL was conceived as an explanation of the actions of Fei and Asami in NT. I just think that the past of Fei and A... @LF
This is an old standard approach on a battle field situation. A male penis will distend when emotional( with a female nipples and clitoris, basic ana). Angry male hard P morning wood ect. Asami put him to sleep. I will not force you to do what....... to stay put may be? Contrast his treatment of Takaba to whom he showed passion toward. Asami took care of Feilong as one would a younger sibling, not a lover. "I will not force you" we don't know what he is not forcing Fei not to do, except to stay in the hotel.
This is an old standard approach on a battle field situation. A male penis will distend when emotional( with a female nipples and clitoris, basic ana). Angry male hard P morning wood ect. Asami put him to slee... @Reality bites
Asami had tender feelings for Fei, but I couln't say it was something brotherly, clearly Asami was attracted to Fei (obviously I'm not talking about love) and wanted something erotic, but he held back.
No. Fei says "that is it?" Asami says "I don't force you". The argument is clear, it is sex. @LF
What was the purpose of the hand job? To keep Feilong from going back home to fall into the trap of his bro. Feilong was upset when he heard his stepfather had died(a lie). Asami did not want him to fall to Yan.
Asami had tender feelings for Fei, but I couln't say it was something brotherly, clearly Asami was attracted to Fei (obviously I'm not talking about love) and wanted something erotic, but he held back. LadyLigeia
I described how ,in my op. Asami treated Feilong as a sib. in the hotel room. As his reactions with Takaba since that is all I have to judge him by and reading the sum. of Blue Flame and his treatment of Kuroda. Feilong was very upset ,he calmed him, that is just my op.
I described how ,in my op. Asami treated Feilong as a sib. in the hotel room. As his reactions with Takaba since that is all I have to judge him by and reading the sum. of Blue Flame and his treatment of Kuro... @Reality bites
Ok, Asami treated Kuroda as a brother and as a dear friend, but he never gave Kuroda a handjob to comfort or calm him (not even a kiss). A handjob and a kiss speak of attraction (at least a bit). Just my idea
I described how ,in my op. Asami treated Feilong as a sib. in the hotel room. As his reactions with Takaba since that is all I have to judge him by and reading the sum. of Blue Flame and his treatment of Kuro... @Reality bites
Why keep comparing Feilong and Takaba? I do not make comparisons, it is clear that Asami desires Takaba much more than he wanted to Fei seven years earlier. I only evaluated HL. In HL Asami is attracted to Fei but for her reasons (tenderness etc ...)
Ok, Asami treated Kuroda as a brother and as a dear friend, but he never gave Kuroda a handjob to comfort or calm him (not even a kiss). A handjob and a kiss speak of attraction (at least a bit). Just my idea LadyLigeia
Ok, Asami treated Kuroda as a brother and as a dear friend, but he never gave Kuroda a handjob to comfort or calm him (not even a kiss). A handjob and a kiss speak of attraction (at least a bit). Just my idea LadyLigeia
That is very true he did not but he also did not have to keep him down in a hotel room in an emergency to keep him from walking into a death trap from a step bro that wants to kill him. I never said there was nothing there I said HE treated him in the hotel room like a sib. ppl. equate sex and love There are all kinds are love A sex act alone does not mean love. Asami showed great care for Feilong. Taking bodliy harm for him, follwing him to his house to make sure he was okay, interceding between he and Yan, he could not prevent the death of his step father. Taking care of him at the hotel afterward, helping him with Toh. Sending in yoh in the prison to watch over him. there was attraction.
Nobody gives handjob and kisses to their "friends" for comfort, and we know that Asami is a very promiscuous man. It's not like Asami was a virgin before Aki, man got a small BDSM dungeon after all, @realitybites do you really think Asami didn't sleep with Fei just because we didn't see it in manga? He was 100% physically attracted to Fei.
That is very true he did not but he also did not have to keep him down in a hotel room in an emergency to keep him from walking into a death trap from a step bro that wants to kill him. I never said there was n... @Reality bites
Never talked about Love ever !! Asami does not love Fei, Asami loves Akihito !!! I do not even talk about masturbation, but about kissing. Feilong tells him "and then what? Will you love me in the place of my father?" And he cries. Asami caresses and kisses him with sweetness. And he does so secundly to point out that he does not want to be a father to him. Only one asshole would kiss it by mistake after hearing this. I would like to point out that it is Feilong that interrupts the kiss, not Asami
Seriously though, like 90% of the male characters in the manga would fuck Fei Long, of course there was the most natural bit of sexual tension, that is indeed how Fei Long's character was developed ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Nobody gives handjob and kisses to their "friends" for comfort, and we know that Asami is a very promiscuous man. It's not like Asami was a virgin before Aki, man got a small BDSM dungeon after all, @realitybit... dragonlady
Seriously though? Of course if it ain't shown or talked about it didn't happen. That's some serious wishful thinking.
Nobody gives handjob and kisses to their "friends" for comfort, and we know that Asami is a very promiscuous man. It's not like Asami was a virgin before Aki, man got a small BDSM dungeon after all, @realitybit... dragonlady
Oh, my, I just remembered the BDSM Asami's dungeon, the best place ever for our imagination (≧∀≦) Couldn't it be that Asami understood Fei wasn't enough into S/M stuff and held back because of that? (just to make you smile, girls)^^
Seriously though? Of course if it ain't shown or talked about it didn't happen. That's some serious wishful thinking. ねえねえ
I think nothing happened anymore. I try to evaluate only what I see in the drawings. In HL Asami is attracted to Fei, in a way that surprises him too. In NT he is now in love with Akihito and therefore for him Fei no longer matters. Images are important in a Yaoi. Sensei drew a kiss between the two. I do not find that Asami kisses Soudou, Kuroda etc ... also Yamane knows that she has drawn erotic scenes because she leaves the readers out of the way. When Asami kisses Fei, Yamane writes "The Climax !!! Asami and feilong will ....?". She knows there will not be anything; But also knows that the tension that she has built is erotic, not fraternal.
This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !!
I think nothing happened anymore. I try to evaluate only what I see in the drawings. In HL Asami is attracted to Fei, in a way that surprises him too. In NT he is now in love with Akihito and therefore for him ... @LF
My point is, like 90% of men, of course he thought "could tap that" and certainly wasn't disgusted by the sight. Fei Long's character as a whole could be described as erotic. I'm not the one that described it as fraternal either, who could really be fraternal with that guy not even his supposed brother did, but given how Fei Long's aura screams sex all the time he thought he could calm him that way and gain his trust if he was the only one that would hold back on him (as his brother that scared the crap out of him wouldn't).
This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !! @LF
Yeah, you can say it all aloud!!!! The tension was erotic not fraternal! ヾ(☆▽☆)ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Oh, my, I just remembered the BDSM Asami's dungeon, the best place ever for our imagination (≧∀≦) Couldn't it be that Asami understood Fei wasn't enough into S/M stuff and held back because of that? (jus... LadyLigeia
Oh my, you are right!^^ Fei needs some tender loving, he can't handle S/M stuff.(≧∀≦) And Asami can't abandon his BDSM dungeon. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
Btw; I vaguely remember Asami saying some toys in his dungeon was a gift from a friend. I wonder who's this mysterious "friend" of his. ( ° °)
Oh my, you are right!^^ Fei needs some tender loving, he can't handle S/M stuff.(≧∀≦) And Asami can't abandon his BDSM dungeon. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ Btw; I vaguely remember Asami saying some toys in... dragonlady
Yeah, I always had the same curiosity. Who's this mysterious friend? (⊙…⊙ )(⊙…⊙ )
Last thing. Here I admit that I might be wrong, but I think one thing. When Asami says "do not worry, I have my own tastes" does not mean "I do not like it, so I will never touch you" but refers to the cop. "I do not like the policeman, so do not worry, I have no connection with him that could harm you" and "I do not mind work and emotions"; Indeed, the discourse begins with Fei, who takes Asami on his supposed homosexuality; Asami then wants to open his eyes to the fact that maybe he is concerned that Yan may be in love with him. When he sees Fei obstinate about not wanting to see the reality of his brother, he changes the subject and returns to the initial talk saying "Do not worry I have my tastes."
What sense would he have told him "You do not like" and then try to get him out of a trap with kisses, caresses etc ...? It is not the most pragmatic move.
Nobody gives handjob and kisses to their "friends" for comfort, and we know that Asami is a very promiscuous man. It's not like Asami was a virgin before Aki, man got a small BDSM dungeon after all, @realitybit... dragonlady
You will have to excuse me I will try to ans. you all . H e did not sleep with him. Some thing like that would be big enough to show.
Yeah, I always had the same curiosity. Who's this mysterious friend? (⊙…⊙ )(⊙…⊙ ) LadyLigeia
I have a crazy theory about it, do you remember Asami saying all of this stuff in his house belonged to the previous owner? He also said previous owner died in the BDSM room, what if previous owner was Asami's sugar daddy and S/M master? (⊙…⊙ )
Why keep comparing Feilong and Takaba? I do not make comparisons, it is clear that Asami desires Takaba much more than he wanted to Fei seven years earlier. I only evaluated HL. In HL Asami is attracted to Fei ... @LF
Tenderness? are not we saying the same things then.If it is not love it is caring
Last thing. Here I admit that I might be wrong, but I think one thing. When Asami says "do not worry, I have my own tastes" does not mean "I do not like it, so I will never touch you" but refers to the cop. "I ... @LF
Yeah, it depends on the translation. I'll wait the new English translation by sublime, to have an accurate one of the entire HL volume.
I have a crazy theory about it, do you remember Asami saying all of this stuff in his house belonged to the previous owner? He also said previous owner died in the BDSM room, what if previous owner was Asami's ... dragonlady
Yeah, maybe a big sugar daddy who taught Asami everything he knows about bondage. I want to see this daddy so badly! (≧∀≦) (⊙…⊙ )
Last thing. Here I admit that I might be wrong, but I think one thing. When Asami says "do not worry, I have my own tastes" does not mean "I do not like it, so I will never touch you" but refers to the cop. "I ... @LF
Nope, again. In context, it's clear Fei is basically saying "So you and that policeman, huh?" Asami's all "No, you worried? Your bro, after all..." and Fei's all "What? No way!" and Asami's all "Chill, dude. You ain't my type. Just looking for bonds and obligations of trust."
This thing isn't nearly as esoteric as some of you are making out. Asami says quite clearly what he wants from Fei and what he isn't interested in. If Fei and you misunderstood, that's your misfortune and seven years wasted on revenge that went nowhere.
Tenderness? are not we saying the same things then.If it is not love it is caring @Reality bites
That tenderness that prevents you from taking advantage of a man you like, but who does not love and can not offer anything; That tenderness that brings Asami to evaluate Fei as a member of the Mafia who "cries for the father to death"; That tenderness that made Asami understand something: Fei was weak and vulnerable to accept it or reject it consciously. He is a prisoner of his past life and the hope of a better future (with Asami); He hopes in the future because he knows that he is losing everything: his father, his brother, his convictions (he is ashamed of what he starts feel to Asami); Fei is falling in love with him, it's clear but as soon as he feels that his father is in danger, he abandons everything, rejects Asami is like a madman who knows he is near a jumble. And then ... ... the thing I'm most sorry to see is that despite all have confidence in Asami, alone, wet, with no force in the rain.
This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !! @LF
Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. Very different from Fei. Preferences.
Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. V... @Anonymous
Yeah, Fei is erotic and Asami found him erotic enough to kiss him and give him a handjob. That's it. People are interpreting Asami's words like if he were the kind of man who is crystalline with his words. The same goes for his 'You don't have that kind of value' said to Aki. You could have interpreted it either way if it weren't for the fact that we all know that Asami loves Aki now.
Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. V... @Anonymous
Yes, he chooses Akihito. Feilong in the battle to have Asami is defeated and he also knows why Asami on the ship raises his gun against him, lowers his gaze and does not react; in fact, he is willing to be killed by him. But in HL Ahiito there is not, so I considered the report then, not in relation to what happened later
If you read original japanese version, most of questions here will be solved.Time to begin! @Anonymous
Dear Anon, can you advice us, blind Fei fans, what books do we have to start with? Can we buy them in Amazon or book depository? Thanks. LadyL (crazy Fei fan who needs enlightment).
Yeah, maybe a big sugar daddy who taught Asami everything he knows about bondage. I want to see this daddy so badly! (≧∀≦) (⊙…⊙ ) LadyLigeia
I want to see him too, my friend (≧∀≦) I bet he was a super hot silver fox in his sixties, I wonder what was he doing in BDSM room when he died. (⊙…⊙ ) 1- He was killed by Asami because, Asami caught him cheating or 2- Asami was too hot for him to handle and sugar daddy had a heart attack in one of their seasons.
I want to see him too, my friend (≧∀≦) I bet he was a super hot silver fox in his sixties, I wonder what was he doing in BDSM room when he died. (⊙…⊙ ) 1- He was killed by Asami because, Asami caugh... dragonlady
Agree with the number 2! LOL. I laughed so much now that probably even my neighbors heard me. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Yeah, it depends on the translation. I'll wait the new English translation by sublime, to have an accurate one of the entire HL volume. LadyLigeia
Sublime's translation is supposed to be accurate? Only checked the preview of volume 8 and they take all sorts of liberties when it comes to phrasing in order to make it sound more american or something.
Sublime's translation is supposed to be accurate? Only checked the preview of volume 8 and they take all sorts of liberties when it comes to phrasing in order to make it sound more american or something. ねえねえ
Maybe I shouldn't have said 'accurate' but 'readable' enough for an audience of most American English speakers.
I mean it's already hard enough to call an English translation accurate because of all the subtleties lost in the translation of those two vastly different languages and cultures, but how they're forcing a casual tone with some american slang is making it even worse.
And people tend to take translations and analyze sentences word for word, which is a really naive thing to do most of the time for various reasons. Japanese in general requires quite a lot of context in how people communicate on a daily basis as communication is often subtle or unspoken and it's hard to pick up on everything without having lived there or something (honestly, I have a japanese friend that in the past pointed out stuff to me things like "this part is suspicious because we would 99% of the time say it in X way" which the translators didn't pick on so nobody reading it in English thought it was weird).
i'm 100% certain that asami was attracted to fei and cared for him dearly(he cares for him even now) but it was never love and it won't be （￣へ￣)but come on guys who in their right mind will not getfeel to fei anyway;)
Seriously though, like 90% of the male characters in the manga would fuck Fei Long, of course there was the most natural bit of sexual tension, that is indeed how Fei Long's character was developed ╮(￣▽�... ねえねえ
even the hot monk 0o when i imagine it i become like this : but fei does not have eyes on anyone now so sad ╥﹏╥
i'm 100% certain that asami was attracted to fei and cared for him dearly(he cares for him even now) but it was never love and it won't be （￣へ￣)but come on guys who in their right mind will not getfeel ... diana
Childish people who judged him without reading HL, people who think of him being the meddlesome who ruined the atmosphere of the main couple. That's it. Have they ever gotten acquainted with the common trope 'Betty and Veronica'? (I would have chosen Veronica anyway).
I mean it's already hard enough to call an English translation accurate because of all the subtleties lost in the translation of those two vastly different languages and cultures, but how they're forcing a casu... ねえねえ
Yeah the more different are the languages, the most difficult is to make a translation from one to another. Since I'm not a native English speaker, I can't tell how much some sentences and words might sound off to a native reader, but it's the only possibility most of us have to read the story.
Childish people who judged him without reading HL, people who think of him being the meddlesome who ruined the atmosphere of the main couple. That's it.Have they ever gotten acquainted with the common trope 'Be... LadyLigeia
you said it yourself lady they are a bunch of children desperate for smut between the mc (๑•ㅂ•)و✧so annoying(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ fei never ruined anything if someone ruined something is that asami bastard who left fei confused and broken in jail(๑•ㅂ•)و✧i curse asami and anyone who disapprove me on this （￣へ￣）
you said it yourself lady they are a bunch of children desperate for smut between the mc (๑•ㅂ•)و✧so annoying(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ fei never ruined anything if someone ruined something is that asami bas... diana
you said it yourself lady they are a bunch of children desperate for smut between the mc (๑•ㅂ•)و✧so annoying(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ fei never ruined anything if someone ruined something is that asami bas... diana
I still think there's a good reason Asami left Fei without giving him a proper explanation. All that smut is interesting if you read it once, after that it makes you lose interest if there's not something else to keep you interested in the story itself. The sexual tension is more interesting from my point of view (and more appealing to my tastes).
I still think there's a good reason Asami left Fei without giving him a proper explanation. All that smut is interesting if you read it once, after that it makes you lose interest if there's not something else ... LadyLigeia
what reason my friend???... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ he left fei out of his f*cking ego（￣へ￣）that huge ego(much huger than his whole body) of his that prevents him to talk like a human being to other people and makes misunderstanding to everyone#－.－) and everyone is going mad(aki,fei,sudou) cus that egotistical stupid man won't accept to explain his actions(๑•ㅂ•)و✧and for smut between AxA i get bored when i read them and they never aroused me once so i simply skip 'em
Yeah the more different are the languages, the most difficult is to make a translation from one to another. Since I'm not a native English speaker, I can't tell how much some sentences and words might sound off... LadyLigeia
Now that you mention that it's crazy though, like when people post art stuff like on deviant art, as a general rule of thumb French people go out of their way to criticize constructively in order to help to improve. It's totally normal to tell someone straight away whenever you think something could be improved or when you disagree with something. But in English I found most find it rude and most of the comments are just compliments and when there's a criticism people are just "uh... thanks?" which just caught me by surprise ahah.
Took me a while to even dare speak in English forums, and nowadays I just try to not really care too much about that sort of thing ╮(￣▽￣)╭
what reason my friend???... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ he left fei out of his f*cking ego（￣へ￣）that huge ego(much huger than his whole body) of his that prevents him to talk like a human being to other people ... diana
how to say(￣∇￣")asamixaki couple isn't my type(⌒▽⌒)please don't kill me(⌒▽⌒)
Dear Anon, can you advice us, blind Fei fans, what books do we have to start with? Can we buy them in Amazon or book depository? Thanks. LadyL (crazy Fei fan who needs enlightment). LadyLigeia
You can buy kindle edition from amazon japan. I admit it's difficult to read in japanese in the beginning, but it will be worth the effort.
i'm 100% certain that asami was attracted to fei and cared for him dearly(he cares for him even now) but it was never love and it won't be （￣へ￣)but come on guys who in their right mind will not getfeel ... diana
right; Asami (a little), Yoh, Mikhail, Yantzui, his subordinates, Akihito's friend thinks he is a model who else .......? Li San ^^, hot monk ^^? Kuroda ^^?
what reason my friend???... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ he left fei out of his f*cking ego（￣へ￣）that huge ego(much huger than his whole body) of his that prevents him to talk like a human being to other people ... diana
I think it has something to do with business and the many things we don't know about Asami's past. Since the secret part of Asami's past is the fundamental pillar of the story, Sensei will give it to us bit by bit. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Now that you mention that it's crazy though, like when people post art stuff like on deviant art, as a general rule of thumb French people go out of their way to criticize constructively in order to help to imp... ねえねえ
Yeah, in some countries if you are so much 'right to the point', some people can mistake it for being somehow rude. I think if I don't have anything good to say, I prefer to stay in silence (this is a personal preference).
Ehmm .... sorry i ask those who know japanese, what are the concepts that I misunderstood commenting on this post. I read in English and use google transllator to write and understand. Do you help me?
Ehmm .... sorry i ask those who know japanese, what are the concepts that I misunderstood commenting on this post. I read in English and use google transllator to write and understand. Do you help me? @LF
ごめん,でもあたしも分からない(￣∇￣") ばらばらだからww
More seriously, what concept are you asking clarification for? This thread is all over the place and I have a hard time keeping up with it myself :0
You're right ... for example in Japanese what does Asami say to Fei when he moves away from him in HL? (And do not have sex?)Are you Japanese? @LF
No not at all I'm just fooling around ahah. I can understand the language quite a bit though, if that's of any help.
Could you point out a page or something because I'm still not so sure which part exactly? The part where he says "don't die..." after Fei Long passed out from the gun shot?
That tenderness that prevents you from taking advantage of a man you like, but who does not love and can not offer anything; That tenderness that brings Asami to evaluate Fei as a member of the Mafia who "cries... @LF
you don't want my op, dont takt it. In the present. he moved on. he heads his own grp. and does not appear to need anyone . whatever he may have lost 7 years ago is in the past now. You post abt. NT and HL as if it is the now. That was Feilongs past. when he needed help in FNR he went looking for Yoh not Asami,
Mmmh so I won't be able to get my hand on the Japanese version anytime soon damned region restrictions (￣∇￣"). All I can say now is that in the French official version he just says "I won't impose more on you". Which may or may not be more accurate than the translation here, but I think it's safe to say it's something along those lines.
you don't want my op, dont takt it. In the present. he moved on. he heads his own grp. and does not appear to need anyone . whatever he may have lost 7 years ago is in the past now. You post abt. NT and HL as... @Reality bites
Seriously though, like 90% of the male characters in the manga would fuck Fei Long, of course there was the most natural bit of sexual tension, that is indeed how Fei Long's character was developed ╮(￣▽�... ねえねえ
Really now? Your descriptions suited Akihito better, don't they? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Aki is the main lust object, the difference is that Aki has been molested/touched/unfairly insulted/also raped by 90% of the characters -not Yoh, his friends, the girls. Kuroda only insulted him a bit. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Why someone would consider Fei as the only erotic trigger?
Aki is the main lust object, the difference is that Aki has been molested/touched/unfairly insulted/also raped by 90% of the characters -not Yoh, his friends, the girls. Kuroda only insulted him a bit. ╮(￣... @Anon of Anon
Friend, he would have their asses kicked before they attempt anything. (≧∀≦)
Well, he actually has friends that don't see him in that way, doesn't he? His two childhood friends and his fellow photographer ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Besides he's not really the sole trigger in most cases. Fei Long, Sakazaki and Sudou it was at first because of his relationship with Asami which is what excited them, the other psycho one because he was following him all the time, and yeah you've got Yuri rofl.
Really if it wasn't for his relationship with Asami, most of this wouldn't have happened. It's not like people go "WAH SO PWETTY IS THAT REALLY A GUY" when they first see him :')
If anything it would describe Asami a bit more than Akihito. It's just that well with his status people like Sudou and Fei Long don't stand a chance and have to get out their frustration on Akihito ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yes, he chooses Akihito. Feilong in the battle to have Asami is defeated and he also knows why Asami on the ship raises his gun against him, lowers his gaze and does not react; in fact, he is willing to be kill... @LF
Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the bloodshed. None of which has anything to do with what I was saying. Asami specifically tells Fei flat out that he has preferences and Fei ain't one of them. Of course, Akihito doesn't come into it at that point. But later, Akihito is an example of what Asami does prefer. So we can look back at High Loft and see that Fei is very much not Asami's type and it was a shame that Fei spent seven years eating his heart out.
My original point is that some readers seem to not be able to grasp that while they themselves find Fei to be irresistible, it is possible that Asami does not and never did. He resists him, in fact, very well. We do not all have the same tastes. You like Fei. Asami doesn't. How hard is that to understand?
Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the b... @Anonymous
Many things I share, others do not. Can I ask you if you want to answer me, if there is something you liked Fei?
Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the b... @Anonymous
Don't you have any Asami or Aki post to comment instead of coming in this place full of Fei fans? You'll do yourself a favor.
Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the b... @Anonymous
It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business.
We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a friend/comrade but that's not going to stop us from liking Fei.
For us Fei is more than Asami's potential lover or part of a love triangle. Is it too hard for you to understand or you can only like a character if they're part of a ship?┑(￣Д ￣)┍
It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business. We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a f... dragonlady
Uh, you're the one talking about "Fei fans" it's an homogenous group all sharing an exact same opinion... Would help if people stopped doing that :X
It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business. We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a f... dragonlady
Probably for this Anon it's important to like solely the characters of the main couple. Where's it that written? (⊙…⊙ )
Uh, you're the one talking about "Fei fans" it's an homogenous group all sharing an exact same opinion... Would help if people stopped doing that :X ねえねえ
It looks like there's always some boring (and probably bored) Anon who doesn't want people living in peace and saying whatever they want. I ask myself continuosly who might be this person so frustrated about innocuous fans? Oo
Uh, you're the one talking about "Fei fans" it's an homogenous group all sharing an exact same opinion... Would help if people stopped doing that :X ねえねえ
Yeah, I'm tried of this anon. I don't hate "main characters" or canon couple just because I like Fei.And I'm sure that rest of the "Fei fans" feels the same about it. O_o
Yeah, I'm tried of this anon. I don't hate "main characters" or canon couple just because I like Fei.And I'm sure that rest of the "Fei fans" feels the same about it. O_o dragonlady
The same for me: I like all the characters but I prefer Fei, so I don't see what would be the problem. ^^
Yeah, I'm tried of this anon. I don't hate "main characters" or canon couple just because I like Fei.And I'm sure that rest of the "Fei fans" feels the same about it. O_o dragonlady
Uh... but where is she saying that in the first place? ?_?
I mean this is basically the whole conversation and I don't see once a suggestion that "Fei fans" might dislike other characters. I wouldn't even call that "attacking", she made some good points actually.
LF: This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !!
A: Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. Very different from Fei. Preferences.
LF: Yes, he chooses Akihito. Feilong in the battle to have Asami is defeated and he also knows why Asami on the ship raises his gun against him, lowers his gaze and does not react; in fact, he is willing to be killed by him. But in HL Ahiito there is not, so I considered the report then, not in relation to what happened later
A: Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the bloodshed. None of which has anything to do with what I was saying. Asami specifically tells Fei flat out that he has preferences and Fei ain't one of them. Of course, Akihito doesn't come into it at that point. But later, Akihito is an example of what Asami does prefer. So we can look back at High Loft and see that Fei is very much not Asami's type and it was a shame that Fei spent seven years eating his heart out.
My original point is that some readers seem to not be able to grasp that while they themselves find Fei to be irresistible, it is possible that Asami does not and never did. He resists him, in fact, very well. We do not all have the same tastes. You like Fei. Asami doesn't. How hard is that to understand?
DL: It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business.
We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a friend/comrade but that's not going to stop us from liking Fei.
For us Fei is more than Asami's potential lover or part of a love triangle. Is it too hard for you to understand or you can only like a character if they're part of a ship?┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Uh... but where is she saying that in the first place??_? ねえねえ
'There was nothing to contradict except what readers have built up in their minds because they have fallen for the sad underdog trope.'
By the pattern looks like she/he is always the same anon who, probably, wants to provoke a reaction in some sensitive fans. Doesn't this person have anything better to do than comment on a character they dislike? What a waste of time, in my opinion.
I mean this is basically the whole conversation and I don't see once a suggestion that "Fei fans" might dislike other characters. I wouldn't even call that "attacking", she made some good points actually.LF: Th... ねえねえ
Aki is not Asami's type. Before Aki, Asami preferred men/women from his world, that's why all his peers asks the same question "what does Asami see in him?" and that's what make Aki so "s p e c i a l" he is different than Asami's ex-lovers or whatever he calls them.
I mean this is basically the whole conversation and I don't see once a suggestion that "Fei fans" might dislike other characters. I wouldn't even call that "attacking", she made some good points actually.LF: Th... ねえねえ
And so? Allow people to have their own opinion, if you don't share their opinion why do you have to go into the trouble to copy and paste these strands of conversation? Maybe Romanceisdead69 was right about you and your way to insist in having the last word. I will simplify your efforts agreeing with you: 'This is my solemn statement that I, Lady L, am nothing more than a crazy Fei fan who can't understand the complexity of this story.' Happy now?
And so? Allow people to have their own opinion, if you don't share their opinion why do you have to go into the trouble to copy and paste these strands of conversation? Maybe Romanceisdead69 was right about you... LadyLigeia
I copy pasted because I felt she misunderstood the whole conversation, wanted to make it clear, and even myself had to read it that way to fully understand the whole thing, as I was perplexed when she said the anon claimed "fei fans dislike other characters". And at the end of the day indeed there was no such claim, so that clears it up.
Calm down, I wasn't even addressing you so you're the one sounding like you want the last word, and it wasn't to put her down or anything like that ^^"
Aki is not Asami's type. Before Aki, Asami preferred men/women from his world, that's why all his peers asks the same question "what does Asami see in him?" and that's what make Aki so "s p e c i a l" he is dif... dragonlady
The Fei Long novel told another story though. At one point Fei Long realizes why he went for Akihito, and never for him: because he wanted someone that wasn't from his own "underground" world, someone from the "light". If I remember that correctly ^^'.
Of course one can dispute the canonicality of it, but I feel sensei was just showing all this time how even his peers misunderstand him.
And I feel it's not that he preferred X or Y, but that before Akihito he was never serious about his relationships (if he had any).
I copy pasted because I felt she misunderstood the whole conversation, wanted to make it clear, and even myself had to read it that way to fully understand the whole thing, as I was perplexed when she said the ... ねえねえ
I was just moving forward with the work before Anon comes here and writes some other of her/his not required pearls of wisdom. Probably Anon is reading this now, and if she/he is a sensitive person, surely will leave us alone with our ideas.
The Fei Long novel told another story though. At one point Fei Long realizes why he went for Akihito, and never for him: because he wanted someone that wasn't from his own "underground" world, someone from the ... ねえねえ
That's the whole point, Asami is a promiscuous man and before Aki and probably before Hong Kong he had sex with multiple men/women. He doesn't have to feel romantic love towards someone to have sex with them. He doesn't have to be lovers with them either that was what LF was trying to say yet anon answered as if LF was talking about a romantic connection. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
That's the whole point, Asami is a promiscuous man and before Aki and probably before Hong Kong he had sex with multiple men/women. He doesn't have to feel romantic love towards someone to have sex with them. H... dragonlady
You understand perfectly, but it's all worthless. To imagine an old and weak interest of Asami X Fei is seen as a romantic delirium. Everyone has his opinion, but for me the kiss of Asami and Fei speaks alone.
That's the whole point, Asami is a promiscuous man and before Aki and probably before Hong Kong he had sex with multiple men/women. He doesn't have to feel romantic love towards someone to have sex with them. H... dragonlady
Ah I see your point :)
I think it's a balance between the two points though. Because he wasn't in love with Fei he could very well resist him, but because he may not have to have romantic feelings in order to have sex with someone anyway he may have liked it if there ever was an occasion for it.
It's just really hard to gauge how much at the end of the day he really did feel a desire for Fei though. Could be quite a lot, could be not much at all. Kind of left to each's interpretation if you ask me.
We came to say that Asami, when he says "I do not want to force you", does not respond to "this is it?" of Fei (who expected a complete sexual relationship) but refers to Liu Talen
Sorry but is it not only possible that Asami does not want to take advantage of a man he sees lost and confused, with whom he wants to maintain equality and from which he does not want to be considered a lascivious?
That's the whole point, Asami is a promiscuous man and before Aki and probably before Hong Kong he had sex with multiple men/women. He doesn't have to feel romantic love towards someone to have sex with them. H... dragonlady
Maybe it's better to say it plain and simple: EROTIC connection (even if just a bit) to avoid any misunderstanding. Yeah, probably Asami had many lovers, but I still think that deep inside him, he still feels something for:
His silver fox BDSM sugar daddy who taught him everything (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) A kiss to you, sugar daddy, anywhere you are now (in the Paradise of yaoi).
Sorry but is it not only possible that Asami does not want to take advantage of a man he sees lost and confused, with whom he wants to maintain equality and from which he does not want to be considered a lasciv... @LF
I think there's something of this too (maintain equality).
There's no point getting bothered by these, LadyLigeia and dragonlady. Let them say whatever they want. And we can say whatever we wish to without feeling intimidated either. Because sure, they can call some character "underdog" and get away with it. And there's "nothing wrong". But we can't ever be the same. We said one thing totally harmless and getting picked out for it. But that's also "reasonable". That's why I said I'm getting sick of this fandom and moved on to somewhere better. Either that, or we learn to take things with a pinch of salt. That makes you happier and peaceful.
Maybe it's better to say it plain and simple: EROTIC connection (even if just a bit) to avoid any misunderstanding. Yeah, probably Asami had many lovers, but I still think that deep inside him, he still feels s... LadyLigeia
Yes, let's just say erotic love before everyone starts to throw us kosher salt.(≧∀≦)
I fell in and out of love more than once in my life and every single one of them was special to me. Even if Asami fell in love with someone else before (whether it's Fei or someone else) it doesn't make love he feels for Aki any less special right?
Yeah, I think first love was his Silver fox daddy too, after all who could forget such a man. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
There's no point getting bothered by these, LadyLigeia and dragonlady. Let them say whatever they want. And we can say whatever we wish to without feeling intimidated either. Because sure, they can call some ch... FlyingDragon飛龍
Oh my, which fandom you're moving on to? ╥﹏╥ ╥﹏╥ dragonlady
No no. I'm just saying it hypothetically ^^ leaving would only make some people happy so I chose to stay and bother them ~.^ I do feel that some fandom are much more friendlier, so to speak
About moving on, I meant get to know more of another mangas ^^ so I spend less time here. Also, trying to avoid the comments section more than before XD
No no. I'm just saying it hypothetically ^^ leaving would only make some people happy so I chose to stay and bother them ~.^ I do feel that some fandom are much more friendlier, so to speak FlyingDragon飛龍
Oh, I thought you were going to leave this site. (⊙…⊙ ) Yes, other fandoms are more friendlier. I've witnessed some heated arguments couple of days ago in KS fandom though. (￣∇￣")
Kosher salt? Is it better than plain cooking salt? (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) Yeah, Asami could never forget hos silver fox sugar daddy, this man is simply too special to forget. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
No no. I'm just saying it hypothetically ^^ leaving would only make some people happy so I chose to stay and bother them ~.^ I do feel that some fandom are much more friendlier, so to speak FlyingDragon飛龍
I remember when here in mangago the comment section of the yuri 'what does the fox say?' were such a peaceful place. Times gone forever, sadly Oo
Kosher salt? Is it better than plain cooking salt? (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)Yeah, Asami could never forget hos silver fox sugar daddy, this man is simply too special to forget. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) LadyLigeia
Yes,kosher salt is more healty and better than plain cooking one. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Silver Daddy. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) May he rest in peace. (▰˘◡˘▰)
I remember when here in mangago the comment section of the yuri 'what does the fox say?' were such a peaceful place. Times gone forever, sadly Oo LadyLigeia
Well, maybe the sexy dad is ........................................... .................................................. .LI SAN !! @LF
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) No, please, Li San looks like Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula. In my imagination Asami's sugar daddy is a sexy silver fox, more like Daniel Craig type. Don't destroy our fantasies. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Asami is in China with his father when he is 20; he meets LI-SAN, a fascinating man of forty years who is Liu Talen's brother and adoptive uncle of little Fei, a 12-year-old Chinese child. Between Asami and LI is born a deep passion that leads both to the abyss of lust. Then Asami's father, worried that the relationship between the two can divert his son, sends him to Japan where Asami knows Kuroda (etc ...); Meanwhile in China the little Fei remains very impressed by the Japanese boyfriend of his uncle and begins to want to meet a man like him tomorrow. While wandering in Hong Kong, immersed in his thoughts, he met a small sweet and beautiful japanese boy named Akihito, on vacation with his parents in China. The two become friends and the little Aki confesses he has met one day while playing with his friends, a kind of god, while he was sleeping in a temple and saying he gave him candy. Although their ages are different, Akihito and Fei spend many days together and when they swear to meet again in Tokyo to look for the "sleeping god" and the mysterious friend of Li San. Happy to have a common goal, the two greet themselves in the hope of being able to realize their little dreams, without ever arguing.
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) No, please, Li San looks like Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula. In my imagination Asami's sugar daddy is a sexy silver fox, more like Daniel Craig type. Don't destroy our fantasies. (... LadyLigeia
The san is ugly but perhaps compensates for something else ....... ^^ ^^ ^^
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) No, please, Li San looks like Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula. In my imagination Asami's sugar daddy is a sexy silver fox, more like Daniel Craig type. Don't destroy our fantasies. (... LadyLigeia
I want to joke with you.Alternative plot: "The true past of Asami"Asami is in China with his father when he is 20; he meets LI-SAN, a fascinating man of forty years who is Liu Talen's brother and adoptive uncl... @LF
Strength, after days of posts, comments, discussions and hypotheses approaches the day of the new chapter of VF. We hope it is longer and that Mikhail Arbatov re-builds. Yes, I would like all the characters, but above all Arbatov, because it is time for Sensei to shed light on the intentions of this character. I'm willing to sacrifice some Feilong appearances (!!) but Mik has to go out.
Sorry I go back seriously.Strength, after days of posts, comments, discussions and hypotheses approaches the day of the new chapter of VF. We hope it is longer and that Mikhail Arbatov re-builds. Yes, I would l... @LF
Imagining it just horrified me XDD Where would Asami get his good looks from, if his father was Li-san XDDD FlyingDragon飛龍
Whaaaatttttt??? No no no! I thought "daddy" was a nickname !! I can not say absolutely in my joke that Li San is Asami's father! it's disgusting! Asami and Li san or Asami and his mentor are strangers to me! Without blood ties! Maybe I misunderstood everything you said, because I do not understand English well!
Imagining it just horrified me XDD Where would Asami get his good looks from, if his father was Li-san XDDD FlyingDragon飛龍
We were talking about the 'sugar daddy' that is the common definition for a mature man who has a pretty young lover. Maybe Asami had a cute 'sugar daddy' who taught him everything about bondage. ;)
We were talking about the 'sugar daddy' that is the common definition for a mature man who has a pretty young lover. Maybe Asami had a cute 'sugar daddy' who taught him everything about bondage. ;) LadyLigeia
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) No, please, Li San looks like Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula. In my imagination Asami's sugar daddy is a sexy silver fox, more like Daniel Craig type. Don't destroy our fantasies. (... LadyLigeia
I feel like I can die of laughter just by reading your comment..(*^o^*)(*^o^*)
I have a crazy theory about it, do you remember Asami saying all of this stuff in his house belonged to the previous owner? He also said previous owner died in the BDSM room, what if previous owner was Asami's ... dragonlady
I don't offer any ideas, just want to say we underestimated Sensei (=・ω・=)
Hello. This is a free forum and everyone expresses his ideas. You too. I like to discuss, with calm and arguments. But I'm frustrated not knowing exactly what you think about manga.
I no longer find the post about Aki and Sodou's envy. Did you delete it?
I'm frustrated, too. Why no one here can understand, I also want to discuss, but when I see your reaction there is no desire to express, sorry.
Just wait for someone with a common language to show up.
I do not know what to say really. I have tried in the past to exchange my opinions with you; Maybe I was skeptical and unbelieving but I never offended anyone. This can not be a post where we just say we have different ideas. I asked you for an explanation, on the post you canceled. You said you can not give it, that's fine.
I still ask the question: what do you think is the relationship that binds Asami and Feilong? What does it mean that Fei is the "third target"?
I have never heard of a relationship of love between Asami and Fei ever. Maybe an (old) idea to develop a relationship during HL. But Sensei has changed his mind.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. To be exact, I forgot who it was, and I saw someone say I created a 'storm' for them? So I chose to wait for someone who can communicate to prove that I'm not any crazy fan.
The important thing is not invading other posts with Fei talk; I do not think there is any problem if you express your opinion here. See, Asami and Akihito are the main manga pair, questioning their love is difficult, unless there are valid arguments. Or you risk being considered obsessive fans. Ps: I do not really believe that there will be a love relationship between A and F. I would like to know why you believe it. Thank you
It was me, sorry for that, but I thought you were the person who has the theory of Asam and Fei as the real couple of Finder. When we start having arguments with someone here, there's always someone who pointed out that all of Fei fans have the secret desire to have Fei and Asami together. It isn't like that, anyone has a different opinion, even among Fei fans.
I also recognized the person. But I still want to find out what he has to say. Hoping for the other times to provide some arguments. I do not share his theory, indeed I find it impossible. But I think he has the right to express it. The post title is clear, who wants to ignore it.
If you search some posts (and pages before), you'll find out what that person has to say. It's the same idea of Asami and Fei being the real couple, and Asami using Aki to disguise his passion for Fei.
Yes, I know, I would like to understand how "way" Aki is used ... and what are the clues that make you think of a loving Passion of Asami towards fei.
There are no clues. It's a fantasy. This person needs to head over to the fanfiction sites.
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Hi Anon. I also recognize your style. I think I understand the annoyance that comes from your perspective. Read a manga with a clear texture, affection to the protagonists, look forward to a happy ending that will be but late to arrive; Read the comments of those who say that the couple you love is a fiction, and, without giving any more dictation, continues to support absurd data from your point of view. Now, I also do not think that Asami and Fei will ever be together, but if this person wants him ardently, he can continue to dream. I do not think it is necessary to offend him. Maybe he really know something that we do not know, or maybe not, and just he only wants to see, or maybe he's still a troll. We do not know, but so far he has never offended anyone and as long as he does not and opens the post I think he should be able to write. The Asami / Fei couple never existed, but I understand because it's hard to let it go if you believe it a bit.
^ the Asami/Fei couple DID exist, though briefly, seven years ago
If I read only HL, I agree with you......but in NT Asami says to Fei that he does not want to take him as not done seven years ago. Asami himself demolishing the couple (hypothetical); We readers can not disregard it. what do you think about it, Smoothie?
The person who posted this has the idea that everything Asami is doing now is to conquer Fei, to gain his love, and that he's using Aki as something he's showing to his enemies to make them think Aki is his real weakness and protect the identity of his real love interest (Fei). So: ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Interpret it as you prefer.
I understand now
More fantasy. They have never been a couple. One kiss and a hand job doesn't make a couple. Asami took a taste, didn't like it and ran.
Est-ce toi?
A taste of your own medicine, darling. Asami took a taste and ran away for another reason.
The people who are proficient in the story are concentrated in China's forum and I told them here, but I don't know if they would like to come here to discuss it .
I haven't finished reading the manga, but look forward to seeing these discussions.
Am I not only one not getting what the heck people are talking about in this thread?
The people are trying to say that AxF is real, that Aki is a beard so that Asami can pursue his true love, Fei. At least, that is what I gathered from the OP, others are calling bull and are asking for OP to prove the theory, which has not happened (as there is NO evidence for the theory)
Seriously though, you're both right. They certainly weren't a couple, but other reasons made it that he had to get out anyway.
Honestly, I always interpreted the whole kissing, handjob and overall dominant attitude thing as Asami's way to stress relief him because he was getting too reckless.
Or, he was a 'ladies man' on the prowl and was feeling horny, but saw that Fei could be an ally and held back ... plus he saw that Fei was too vulnerable for a one nigh stand at that time.
Asami you got me crazy!!
Look at the page superscript, in the introduction three main characters are "Target in the Finder" target 001 002 003
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ayano_yamane_illustrations_aya/bt/30818/Ch1/25/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ayano_yamane_illustrations_aya/bt/30818/Ch1/26/
I agree
I still believe that the AXF pair has not been and will not be there. But I also think that Asami was attracted to Fei. If we consider the facts, Asami tells Fei he does not want to force him. These are his words, not an interpretation. I do not think he just wanted to calm him down, no sense, Asami does not kiss a man he does not like. he tried to hold back, but whenFei cries he does not resist and kisses him Then he realizes that he has gone further, caresses him after the orgasm, and when he sees Fei's embarrassed reaction, he renounces. Asami understands that Fei wants a father, not a lover. After seven years Asami meets Akihito and falls in love, without any doubt. Asami loves Akihito, he wants love form Akihito, not from Feilong.
I believe that explanation is this, but obviously it's just my opinion. It provides the initial plot that sensei wanted to give to VF and which then changed. Sensei had initially thought of a plot in which Asami and Feilong had had an erotic past (not romantic, erotic) that would not have developed in the future because after seven years Asami would have fallen in love with Akihito and Feilong would have to die. Fei was supposed to be an important character, but totally negative that moved by the desire for revenge (and jealousy?) should have hindered the main couple and then died. The death of the "third inconvenient" would have sanctioned Axa's love and happiness without any problems for anyone. HL is the mirror of a real erotic tension. Then something changes. Sensei understands that creating such a heavy weight between A and F could have made VF a little appetizing to many fans. The fandom wanted to see a "pure" love without interference from the past. Also, Feilong gets a success that Yamane did not expect, and decides to change the plot and let feilong live. To do this and "save" goat and cabbage must "erase" the HL's atmosphere and does it in the scene where Asami and feilong collide, Fei kisses Asami and he has no reaction. This point is fundamental because NT's clear message is that Asami does not want to Feilong physically. The contradiction of Asami's attitude between HL and NT remains a big difference, which has no solution because now HL has been written. A bit like the first chapter of VF: Sensei says he does not get fed up with his work: too raw and hard. But he can not delete it now: when he designed it, VF was to be a oneshot, then the plan changed. The fandom in my opinion has a lot of influence on the plot.
I want to point out that this is just one of my reconstructions that is based on chapter reading, Sensei's words and some fan comments. In my head the contradictions of VF do not conceal the intent to lead to a change of pair, absolutely not. I'm just the mirror of a change in the editorial line. And I would like to point out that in both cases I have never questioned the Love between Akihito and Asami. There is no discussion of this. We only discuss about Asami and Fei in HL, seven years before, and I emphasize BEFORE, Aki's entry into Asami's life.
I finish this long comment saying that for me now this is no longer important. The first images I see of Feilong show a calm and contented person. Even FNR reading makes me believe that by now Feilong (finally) has gone beyond the past. Sorry the long comment, maybe boring, but I just said all I thought. The end.
U are trying to connect what Y.A said in real time to the manga. as to how she and somehow connect it to Feilong Asami and make a timeline that does not exist. The fandom did not influence the plot. The plot never changed, The chap. where Asami meets Feilong for the !st, time was to show that whole chap. between Asami and Fei can be taken as setup for the Hong Kong story why Fei do what he did. Why Fei after Asami in the first place. When that chap. takes place there is no Takaba and Asami and as such can be taken as background information. She says Feilong became popular(fandom influ.) he lived, but I kind of think that would have happened anyway. Feilong being alive did not change the plot. It was still abt. mc Takaba adventures.
Certainly it is a personal hypothesis. However, what I have said does not rule out the fact that HL was conceived as an explanation of the actions of Fei and Asami in NT. I just think that the past of Fei and Asami should have been more consistent with Asami's physical approach to Fei. To say that Asami only wants to calm Fei, or that he did not like at the time, is strange because it contradicts the same Asami's words "I will not force you". There is sweetness in this sentence, not repulsion.
There is no contradiction unless the reader infers what is not there. What is there is very clear. Asami himself tells Fei and the reader outright that he is not interested. Reinforced by Asami's lack of reaction to Fei's kiss in Naked Truth. There was nothing to contradict except what readers have built up in their minds because they have fallen for the sad underdog trope.
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/you_re_my_loveprize_in_viewfinder/mh/v02/c006/23/
What's your point? There are cast pages for volumes seven and eight, too, which list Kuroda, Sudou, Sakazaki, and Mitari. Are they main characters, too?
Le perdant, vous dites? Take fresh air darling, you need it.
Jetez le masque, chéri
c'est moi
You're losing your cool darling, why are you so desperate?
Mon conseil: air frais et eau froide
What's going on? ( >_< )
That's all ya got? Because you clearly have no legitimate argument.
Je l'ai, mais peut-être que vous ne comprendrez pas.
This is an old standard approach on a battle field situation. A male penis will distend when emotional( with a female nipples and clitoris, basic ana). Angry male hard P morning wood ect. Asami put him to sleep. I will not force you to do what....... to stay put may be? Contrast his treatment of Takaba to whom he showed passion toward. Asami took care of Feilong as one would a younger sibling, not a lover. "I will not force you" we don't know what he is not forcing Fei not to do, except to stay in the hotel.
No. Fei says "that is it?" Asami says "I don't force you". The argument is clear, it is sex.
Asami had tender feelings for Fei, but I couln't say it was something brotherly, clearly Asami was attracted to Fei (obviously I'm not talking about love) and wanted something erotic, but he held back.
What was the purpose of the hand job? To keep Feilong from going back home to fall into the trap of his bro. Feilong was upset when he heard his stepfather had died(a lie). Asami did not want him to fall to Yan.
I described how ,in my op. Asami treated Feilong as a sib. in the hotel room. As his reactions with Takaba since that is all I have to judge him by and reading the sum. of Blue Flame and his treatment of Kuroda. Feilong was very upset ,he calmed him, that is just my op.
Ok, Asami treated Kuroda as a brother and as a dear friend, but he never gave Kuroda a handjob to comfort or calm him (not even a kiss). A handjob and a kiss speak of attraction (at least a bit). Just my idea
Why keep comparing Feilong and Takaba? I do not make comparisons, it is clear that Asami desires Takaba much more than he wanted to Fei seven years earlier. I only evaluated HL. In HL Asami is attracted to Fei but for her reasons (tenderness etc ...)
exactly!!
That is very true he did not but he also did not have to keep him down in a hotel room in an emergency to keep him from walking into a death trap from a step bro that wants to kill him. I never said there was nothing there I said HE treated him in the hotel room like a sib. ppl. equate sex and love There are all kinds are love A sex act alone does not mean love. Asami showed great care for Feilong. Taking bodliy harm for him, follwing him to his house to make sure he was okay, interceding between he and Yan, he could not prevent the death of his step father. Taking care of him at the hotel afterward, helping him with Toh. Sending in yoh in the prison to watch over him. there was attraction.
Nobody gives handjob and kisses to their "friends" for comfort, and we know that Asami is a very promiscuous man. It's not like Asami was a virgin before Aki, man got a small BDSM dungeon after all, @realitybites do you really think Asami didn't sleep with Fei just because we didn't see it in manga? He was 100% physically attracted to Fei.
Never talked about Love ever !! Asami does not love Fei, Asami loves Akihito !!! I do not even talk about masturbation, but about kissing. Feilong tells him "and then what? Will you love me in the place of my father?" And he cries. Asami caresses and kisses him with sweetness. And he does so secundly to point out that he does not want to be a father to him. Only one asshole would kiss it by mistake after hearing this. I would like to point out that it is Feilong that interrupts the kiss, not Asami
Seriously though, like 90% of the male characters in the manga would fuck Fei Long, of course there was the most natural bit of sexual tension, that is indeed how Fei Long's character was developed ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Seriously though? Of course if it ain't shown or talked about it didn't happen. That's some serious wishful thinking.
Oh, my, I just remembered the BDSM Asami's dungeon, the best place ever for our imagination (≧∀≦) Couldn't it be that Asami understood Fei wasn't enough into S/M stuff and held back because of that? (just to make you smile, girls)^^
I think nothing happened anymore. I try to evaluate only what I see in the drawings. In HL Asami is attracted to Fei, in a way that surprises him too. In NT he is now in love with Akihito and therefore for him Fei no longer matters. Images are important in a Yaoi. Sensei drew a kiss between the two. I do not find that Asami kisses Soudou, Kuroda etc ... also Yamane knows that she has drawn erotic scenes because she leaves the readers out of the way. When Asami kisses Fei, Yamane writes "The Climax !!! Asami and feilong will ....?". She knows there will not be anything; But also knows that the tension that she has built is erotic, not fraternal.
This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !!
My point is, like 90% of men, of course he thought "could tap that" and certainly wasn't disgusted by the sight. Fei Long's character as a whole could be described as erotic. I'm not the one that described it as fraternal either, who could really be fraternal with that guy not even his supposed brother did, but given how Fei Long's aura screams sex all the time he thought he could calm him that way and gain his trust if he was the only one that would hold back on him (as his brother that scared the crap out of him wouldn't).
Yeah, you can say it all aloud!!!! The tension was erotic not fraternal! ヾ(☆▽☆)ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Oh my, you are right!^^ Fei needs some tender loving, he can't handle S/M stuff.(≧∀≦)
And Asami can't abandon his BDSM dungeon. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
Btw; I vaguely remember Asami saying some toys in his dungeon was a gift from a friend. I wonder who's this mysterious "friend" of his. ( ° °)
Yeah, I always had the same curiosity. Who's this mysterious friend? (⊙…⊙ )(⊙…⊙ )
Last thing. Here I admit that I might be wrong, but I think one thing. When Asami says "do not worry, I have my own tastes" does not mean "I do not like it, so I will never touch you" but refers to the cop. "I do not like the policeman, so do not worry, I have no connection with him that could harm you" and "I do not mind work and emotions"; Indeed, the discourse begins with Fei, who takes Asami on his supposed homosexuality; Asami then wants to open his eyes to the fact that maybe he is concerned that Yan may be in love with him. When he sees Fei obstinate about not wanting to see the reality of his brother, he changes the subject and returns to the initial talk saying "Do not worry I have my tastes."
What sense would he have told him "You do not like" and then try to get him out of a trap with kisses, caresses etc ...? It is not the most pragmatic move.
You will have to excuse me I will try to ans. you all . H e did not sleep with him. Some thing like that would be big enough to show.
That Anon was me had to log out loading issues.
I have a crazy theory about it, do you remember Asami saying all of this stuff in his house belonged to the previous owner? He also said previous owner died in the BDSM room, what if previous owner was Asami's sugar daddy and S/M master? (⊙…⊙ )
Tenderness? are not we saying the same things then.If it is not love it is caring
Yeah, it depends on the translation. I'll wait the new English translation by sublime, to have an accurate one of the entire HL volume.
Yeah, maybe a big sugar daddy who taught Asami everything he knows about bondage. I want to see this daddy so badly! (≧∀≦) (⊙…⊙ )
Forgot he's dead. Shame on me (⊙…⊙ )(≧∀≦)
OMG, no it isn't. He's talking about the situation with Liu. Jesus, you people need to learn how to read.
Nope, again. In context, it's clear Fei is basically saying "So you and that policeman, huh?" Asami's all "No, you worried? Your bro, after all..." and Fei's all "What? No way!" and Asami's all "Chill, dude. You ain't my type. Just looking for bonds and obligations of trust."
This thing isn't nearly as esoteric as some of you are making out. Asami says quite clearly what he wants from Fei and what he isn't interested in. If Fei and you misunderstood, that's your misfortune and seven years wasted on revenge that went nowhere.
That tenderness that prevents you from taking advantage of a man you like, but who does not love and can not offer anything; That tenderness that brings Asami to evaluate Fei as a member of the Mafia who "cries for the father to death"; That tenderness that made Asami understand something: Fei was weak and vulnerable to accept it or reject it consciously. He is a prisoner of his past life and the hope of a better future (with Asami); He hopes in the future because he knows that he is losing everything: his father, his brother, his convictions (he is ashamed of what he starts feel to Asami); Fei is falling in love with him, it's clear but as soon as he feels that his father is in danger, he abandons everything, rejects Asami is like a madman who knows he is near a jumble. And then ... ... the thing I'm most sorry to see is that despite all have confidence in Asami, alone, wet, with no force in the rain.
Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. Very different from Fei. Preferences.
If you read original japanese version, most of questions here will be solved.
Time to begin!
Yeah, Fei is erotic and Asami found him erotic enough to kiss him and give him a handjob. That's it. People are interpreting Asami's words like if he were the kind of man who is crystalline with his words. The same goes for his 'You don't have that kind of value' said to Aki. You could have interpreted it either way if it weren't for the fact that we all know that Asami loves Aki now.
Yes, he chooses Akihito. Feilong in the battle to have Asami is defeated and he also knows why Asami on the ship raises his gun against him, lowers his gaze and does not react; in fact, he is willing to be killed by him. But in HL Ahiito there is not, so I considered the report then, not in relation to what happened later
Dear Anon, can you advice us, blind Fei fans, what books do we have to start with? Can we buy them in Amazon or book depository? Thanks. LadyL (crazy Fei fan who needs enlightment).
Thank you, you're so kind
I want to see him too, my friend (≧∀≦) I bet he was a super hot silver fox in his sixties, I wonder what was he doing in BDSM room when he died. (⊙…⊙ )
1- He was killed by Asami because, Asami caught him cheating or
2- Asami was too hot for him to handle and sugar daddy had a heart attack in one of their seasons.
Agree with the number 2! LOL. I laughed so much now that probably even my neighbors heard me. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Sublime's translation is supposed to be accurate? Only checked the preview of volume 8 and they take all sorts of liberties when it comes to phrasing in order to make it sound more american or something.
I should be a comedian. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Maybe I shouldn't have said 'accurate' but 'readable' enough for an audience of most American English speakers.
Yeah, that part of the sugar daddy having a heart attack made laugh like crazy.(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) Poor handsome old man. (￣∇￣")
I mean it's already hard enough to call an English translation accurate because of all the subtleties lost in the translation of those two vastly different languages and cultures, but how they're forcing a casual tone with some american slang is making it even worse.
And people tend to take translations and analyze sentences word for word, which is a really naive thing to do most of the time for various reasons. Japanese in general requires quite a lot of context in how people communicate on a daily basis as communication is often subtle or unspoken and it's hard to pick up on everything without having lived there or something (honestly, I have a japanese friend that in the past pointed out stuff to me things like "this part is suspicious because we would 99% of the time say it in X way" which the translators didn't pick on so nobody reading it in English thought it was weird).
i'm 100% certain that asami was attracted to fei and cared for him dearly(he cares for him even now) but it was never love and it won't be （￣へ￣)but come on guys who in their right mind will not getfeel to fei anyway;)
even the hot monk 0o
when i imagine it i become like this :
but fei does not have eyes on anyone now so sad ╥﹏╥
Childish people who judged him without reading HL, people who think of him being the meddlesome who ruined the atmosphere of the main couple. That's it.
Have they ever gotten acquainted with the common trope 'Betty and Veronica'? (I would have chosen Veronica anyway).
Yeah the more different are the languages, the most difficult is to make a translation from one to another. Since I'm not a native English speaker, I can't tell how much some sentences and words might sound off to a native reader, but it's the only possibility most of us have to read the story.
you said it yourself lady they are a bunch of children desperate for smut between the mc (๑•ㅂ•)و✧so annoying(๑•ㅂ•)و✧ fei never ruined anything if someone ruined something is that asami bastard who left fei confused and broken in jail(๑•ㅂ•)و✧i curse asami and anyone who disapprove me on this （￣へ￣）
poor, sweet, our Fei.......
Oh, please, I prefer to have hot monk meditating in his temple instead of running after Fei. ^_^
haha me too ...like showing him that this world is not that bad and dreadful and not full of Oppression and show him the best way to be happy(▰˘◡˘▰)
I still think there's a good reason Asami left Fei without giving him a proper explanation. All that smut is interesting if you read it once, after that it makes you lose interest if there's not something else to keep you interested in the story itself. The sexual tension is more interesting from my point of view (and more appealing to my tastes).
what reason my friend???... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ he left fei out of his f*cking ego（￣へ￣）that huge ego(much huger than his whole body) of his that prevents him to talk like a human being to other people and makes misunderstanding to everyone#－.－) and everyone is going mad(aki,fei,sudou) cus that egotistical stupid man won't accept to explain his actions(๑•ㅂ•)و✧and for smut between AxA i get bored when i read them and they never aroused me once so i simply skip 'em
Now that you mention that it's crazy though, like when people post art stuff like on deviant art, as a general rule of thumb French people go out of their way to criticize constructively in order to help to improve. It's totally normal to tell someone straight away whenever you think something could be improved or when you disagree with something. But in English I found most find it rude and most of the comments are just compliments and when there's a criticism people are just "uh... thanks?" which just caught me by surprise ahah.
Took me a while to even dare speak in English forums, and nowadays I just try to not really care too much about that sort of thing ╮(￣▽￣)╭
how to say(￣∇￣")asamixaki couple isn't my type(⌒▽⌒)please don't kill me(⌒▽⌒)
maybe asamiXkirishima or asamiXkurouda ╮(￣▽￣)╭
You can buy kindle edition from amazon japan.
I admit it's difficult to read in japanese in the beginning, but it will be worth the effort.
right; Asami (a little), Yoh, Mikhail, Yantzui, his subordinates, Akihito's friend thinks he is a model who else .......? Li San ^^, hot monk ^^? Kuroda ^^?
I think it has something to do with business and the many things we don't know about Asami's past. Since the secret part of Asami's past is the fundamental pillar of the story, Sensei will give it to us bit by bit. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Yeah, in some countries if you are so much 'right to the point', some people can mistake it for being somehow rude. I think if I don't have anything good to say, I prefer to stay in silence (this is a personal preference).
Ok. Thanks, I will need it if I want to read Haru wo Alive again. Sob sob (no one is scanlating it anymore) TT TT
Ehmm .... sorry i ask those who know japanese, what are the concepts that I misunderstood commenting on this post. I read in English and use google transllator to write and understand. Do you help me?
ごめん,でもあたしも分からない(￣∇￣")
ばらばらだからww
More seriously, what concept are you asking clarification for? This thread is all over the place and I have a hard time keeping up with it myself :0
You're right ... for example in Japanese what does Asami say to Fei when he moves away from him in HL? (And do not have sex?)
Are you Japanese?
No not at all I'm just fooling around ahah. I can understand the language quite a bit though, if that's of any help.
Could you point out a page or something because I'm still not so sure which part exactly? The part where he says "don't die..." after Fei Long passed out from the gun shot?
vol. 2, Ch8.,pg 9. last scene
你们也太纠结了，==(●⁰ꈊ⁰● |||)
sorry, I'wrong! ┗( T﹏T )┛
you don't want my op, dont takt it. In the present. he moved on. he heads his own grp. and does not appear to need anyone . whatever he may have lost 7 years ago is in the past now. You post abt. NT and HL as if it is the now. That was Feilongs past. when he needed help in FNR he went looking for Yoh not Asami,
Actually here in Canada and probably many other countries you can't, the kindle version is region restricted due to copyrights :X
Mmmh so I won't be able to get my hand on the Japanese version anytime soon damned region restrictions (￣∇￣"). All I can say now is that in the French official version he just says "I won't impose more on you". Which may or may not be more accurate than the translation here, but I think it's safe to say it's something along those lines.
yes (= · ω · =)
Really now? Your descriptions suited Akihito better, don't they? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
啊？我不懂。。发生什么事了吗？
Aki is the main lust object, the difference is that Aki has been molested/touched/unfairly insulted/also raped by 90% of the characters -not Yoh, his friends, the girls. Kuroda only insulted him a bit. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Why someone would consider Fei as the only erotic trigger?
Friend, he would have their asses kicked before they attempt anything. (≧∀≦)
Or their throats sliced before (⌒▽⌒) the slightest attempt. (⊙…⊙ )
你是486152？
那些号码是什么来的? 如果你的意思是ID号, 那不是我啊
你认错人了^^
He should be less scary, or else he could not get a lover. Maybe only someone who's not afraid of him can stand him XD
Yeah, lovely Fei is dangerous (⊙…⊙ ) ^_^
Yeah, he's so aloof and intimidating. (⊙…⊙ )
It must be the past that has made him so.
Well, he actually has friends that don't see him in that way, doesn't he? His two childhood friends and his fellow photographer ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Besides he's not really the sole trigger in most cases. Fei Long, Sakazaki and Sudou it was at first because of his relationship with Asami which is what excited them, the other psycho one because he was following him all the time, and yeah you've got Yuri rofl.
Really if it wasn't for his relationship with Asami, most of this wouldn't have happened. It's not like people go "WAH SO PWETTY IS THAT REALLY A GUY" when they first see him :')
If anything it would describe Asami a bit more than Akihito. It's just that well with his status people like Sudou and Fei Long don't stand a chance and have to get out their frustration on Akihito ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the bloodshed. None of which has anything to do with what I was saying. Asami specifically tells Fei flat out that he has preferences and Fei ain't one of them. Of course, Akihito doesn't come into it at that point. But later, Akihito is an example of what Asami does prefer. So we can look back at High Loft and see that Fei is very much not Asami's type and it was a shame that Fei spent seven years eating his heart out.
My original point is that some readers seem to not be able to grasp that while they themselves find Fei to be irresistible, it is possible that Asami does not and never did. He resists him, in fact, very well. We do not all have the same tastes. You like Fei. Asami doesn't. How hard is that to understand?
Many things I share, others do not. Can I ask you if you want to answer me, if there is something you liked Fei?
You are sometimes rude with me ...╥﹏╥
Don't you have any Asami or Aki post to comment instead of coming in this place full of Fei fans?
You'll do yourself a favor.
Let that people be. That anonymous come here on purpose, to attack people who don't share their personal views. Forget them
It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business.
We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a friend/comrade but that's not going to stop us from liking Fei.
For us Fei is more than Asami's potential lover or part of a love triangle. Is it too hard for you to understand or you can only like a character if they're part of a ship?┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Uh, you're the one talking about "Fei fans" it's an homogenous group all sharing an exact same opinion... Would help if people stopped doing that :X
Probably for this Anon it's important to like solely the characters of the main couple. Where's it that written? (⊙…⊙ )
It looks like there's always some boring (and probably bored) Anon who doesn't want people living in peace and saying whatever they want. I ask myself continuosly who might be this person so frustrated about innocuous fans? Oo
Yeah, I'm tried of this anon. I don't hate "main characters" or canon couple just because I like Fei.And I'm sure that rest of the "Fei fans" feels the same about it. O_o
The same for me: I like all the characters but I prefer Fei, so I don't see what would be the problem. ^^
Uh... but where is she saying that in the first place?
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I mean this is basically the whole conversation and I don't see once a suggestion that "Fei fans" might dislike other characters. I wouldn't even call that "attacking", she made some good points actually.
LF: This does not mean that Asami loves Feilong, nor does manga go in that direction. It means, however, that playing HL as "strangely" erotic, is not an invention of Feilong fans !!
A: Why not? Isn't it possible that Fei fans might find Fei erotic while Asami doesn't? We don't all respond to the same things. Look at who Asami eventually chooses: Akihito. This is what Asami is attracted too. Very different from Fei. Preferences.
LF: Yes, he chooses Akihito. Feilong in the battle to have Asami is defeated and he also knows why Asami on the ship raises his gun against him, lowers his gaze and does not react; in fact, he is willing to be killed by him. But in HL Ahiito there is not, so I considered the report then, not in relation to what happened later
A: Feilong doesn't' have a gun in that scene. One of his goons is pulling one out when Suoh pulls a gun on him, so Fei wasn't "willing to be killed" at all. It was only Aki stepping between them that stopped the bloodshed. None of which has anything to do with what I was saying. Asami specifically tells Fei flat out that he has preferences and Fei ain't one of them. Of course, Akihito doesn't come into it at that point. But later, Akihito is an example of what Asami does prefer. So we can look back at High Loft and see that Fei is very much not Asami's type and it was a shame that Fei spent seven years eating his heart out.
My original point is that some readers seem to not be able to grasp that while they themselves find Fei to be irresistible, it is possible that Asami does not and never did. He resists him, in fact, very well. We do not all have the same tastes. You like Fei. Asami doesn't. How hard is that to understand?
DL: It's a shame that you choose to attack others for liking a character, which character we like or ship is none of your business.
We all know that Fei will never be with Asami and Asami will only see him as a friend/comrade but that's not going to stop us from liking Fei.
For us Fei is more than Asami's potential lover or part of a love triangle. Is it too hard for you to understand or you can only like a character if they're part of a ship?┑(￣Д ￣)┍
'There was nothing to contradict except what readers have built up in their minds because they have fallen for the sad underdog trope.'
By the pattern looks like she/he is always the same anon who, probably, wants to provoke a reaction in some sensitive fans. Doesn't this person have anything better to do than comment on a character they dislike? What a waste of time, in my opinion.
Aki is not Asami's type. Before Aki, Asami preferred men/women from his world, that's why all his peers asks the same question "what does Asami see in him?" and that's what make Aki so "s p e c i a l" he is different than Asami's ex-lovers or whatever he calls them.
And so? Allow people to have their own opinion, if you don't share their opinion why do you have to go into the trouble to copy and paste these strands of conversation? Maybe Romanceisdead69 was right about you and your way to insist in having the last word. I will simplify your efforts agreeing with you:
'This is my solemn statement that I, Lady L, am nothing more than a crazy Fei fan who can't understand the complexity of this story.'
Happy now?
I copy pasted because I felt she misunderstood the whole conversation, wanted to make it clear, and even myself had to read it that way to fully understand the whole thing, as I was perplexed when she said the anon claimed "fei fans dislike other characters". And at the end of the day indeed there was no such claim, so that clears it up.
Calm down, I wasn't even addressing you so you're the one sounding like you want the last word, and it wasn't to put her down or anything like that ^^"
The Fei Long novel told another story though. At one point Fei Long realizes why he went for Akihito, and never for him: because he wanted someone that wasn't from his own "underground" world, someone from the "light". If I remember that correctly ^^'.
Of course one can dispute the canonicality of it, but I feel sensei was just showing all this time how even his peers misunderstand him.
And I feel it's not that he preferred X or Y, but that before Akihito he was never serious about his relationships (if he had any).
I was just moving forward with the work before Anon comes here and writes some other of her/his not required pearls of wisdom. Probably Anon is reading this now, and if she/he is a sensitive person, surely will leave us alone with our ideas.
That's the whole point, Asami is a promiscuous man and before Aki and probably before Hong Kong he had sex with multiple men/women. He doesn't have to feel romantic love towards someone to have sex with them. He doesn't have to be lovers with them either that was what LF was trying to say yet anon answered as if LF was talking about a romantic connection. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
You understand perfectly, but it's all worthless. To imagine an old and weak interest of Asami X Fei is seen as a romantic delirium. Everyone has his opinion, but for me the kiss of Asami and Fei speaks alone.
Ah I see your point :)
I think it's a balance between the two points though. Because he wasn't in love with Fei he could very well resist him, but because he may not have to have romantic feelings in order to have sex with someone anyway he may have liked it if there ever was an occasion for it.
It's just really hard to gauge how much at the end of the day he really did feel a desire for Fei though. Could be quite a lot, could be not much at all. Kind of left to each's interpretation if you ask me.
We came to say that Asami, when he says "I do not want to force you", does not respond to "this is it?" of Fei (who expected a complete sexual relationship) but refers to Liu Talen
Sorry but is it not only possible that Asami does not want to take advantage of a man he sees lost and confused, with whom he wants to maintain equality and from which he does not want to be considered a lascivious?
Maybe it's better to say it plain and simple: EROTIC connection (even if just a bit) to avoid any misunderstanding. Yeah, probably Asami had many lovers, but I still think that deep inside him, he still feels something for:
His silver fox BDSM sugar daddy who taught him everything (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
A kiss to you, sugar daddy, anywhere you are now (in the Paradise of yaoi).
I think there's something of this too (maintain equality).
There's no point getting bothered by these, LadyLigeia and dragonlady. Let them say whatever they want. And we can say whatever we wish to without feeling intimidated either. Because sure, they can call some character "underdog" and get away with it. And there's "nothing wrong". But we can't ever be the same. We said one thing totally harmless and getting picked out for it. But that's also "reasonable". That's why I said I'm getting sick of this fandom and moved on to somewhere better. Either that, or we learn to take things with a pinch of salt. That makes you happier and peaceful.
The last Anon's comment was not directed to just bully Fei, I believe. Just a matter of perspective.
Yes, let's just say erotic love before everyone starts to throw us kosher salt.(≧∀≦)
I fell in and out of love more than once in my life and every single one of them was special to me. Even if Asami fell in love with someone else before (whether it's Fei or someone else) it doesn't make love he feels for Aki any less special right?
Yeah, I think first love was his Silver fox daddy too, after all who could forget such a man. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Oh my, which fandom you're moving on to? ╥﹏╥ ╥﹏╥
No no. I'm just saying it hypothetically ^^ leaving would only make some people happy so I chose to stay and bother them ~.^ I do feel that some fandom are much more friendlier, so to speak
About moving on, I meant get to know more of another mangas ^^ so I spend less time here. Also, trying to avoid the comments section more than before XD
Oh, I thought you were going to leave this site. (⊙…⊙ )
Yes, other fandoms are more friendlier. I've witnessed some heated arguments couple of days ago in KS fandom though. (￣∇￣")
Kosher salt? Is it better than plain cooking salt? (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Yeah, Asami could never forget hos silver fox sugar daddy, this man is simply too special to forget. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
I remember when here in mangago the comment section of the yuri 'what does the fox say?' were such a peaceful place. Times gone forever, sadly Oo
Yes,kosher salt is more healty and better than plain cooking one. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Silver Daddy. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) May he rest in peace. (▰˘◡˘▰)
*pats Ladyligeia* cheer up! (づ￣ ³￣)づ
在这里！我甩的链接啦哈哈哈，来的哪位？
看到这里的情况了吧要不要来这儿聊一聊(>^ω^<)
Yeah, we will be grateful to him forever after all he taught to Asami for the joy of us readers. Rest in peace this sexy sugar daddy (≧∀≦)
Thanks^^
Well, maybe the sexy dad is ........................................... .................................................. .LI SAN !!
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦) No, please, Li San looks like Gary Oldman in Bram Stoker's Dracula. In my imagination Asami's sugar daddy is a sexy silver fox, more like Daniel Craig type. Don't destroy our fantasies. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
OMG!! ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
I want to joke with you.
Alternative plot: "The true past of Asami"
Asami is in China with his father when he is 20; he meets LI-SAN, a fascinating man of forty years who is Liu Talen's brother and adoptive uncle of little Fei, a 12-year-old Chinese child. Between Asami and LI is born a deep passion that leads both to the abyss of lust. Then Asami's father, worried that the relationship between the two can divert his son, sends him to Japan where Asami knows Kuroda (etc ...); Meanwhile in China the little Fei remains very impressed by the Japanese boyfriend of his uncle and begins to want to meet a man like him tomorrow. While wandering in Hong Kong, immersed in his thoughts, he met a small sweet and beautiful japanese boy named Akihito, on vacation with his parents in China. The two become friends and the little Aki confesses he has met one day while playing with his friends, a kind of god, while he was sleeping in a temple and saying he gave him candy. Although their ages are different, Akihito and Fei spend many days together and when they swear to meet again in Tokyo to look for the "sleeping god" and the mysterious friend of Li San. Happy to have a common goal, the two greet themselves in the hope of being able to realize their little dreams, without ever arguing.
It will end very differently .... ^^
The san is ugly but perhaps compensates for something else ....... ^^ ^^ ^^
Li San
Yeah, really differently(⊙…⊙ )(⊙…⊙ )
Yeah, maybe he has a BIG BIG secret inside his pants! (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Sorry I go back seriously.
Strength, after days of posts, comments, discussions and hypotheses approaches the day of the new chapter of VF. We hope it is longer and that Mikhail Arbatov re-builds. Yes, I would like all the characters, but above all Arbatov, because it is time for Sensei to shed light on the intentions of this character. I'm willing to sacrifice some Feilong appearances (!!) but Mik has to go out.
Imagining it just horrified me XDD Where would Asami get his good looks from, if his father was Li-san XDDD
I would like to see Fei & Yoh! TT TT
Whaaaatttttt??? No no no! I thought "daddy" was a nickname !! I can not say absolutely in my joke that Li San is Asami's father! it's disgusting! Asami and Li san or Asami and his mentor are strangers to me! Without blood ties! Maybe I misunderstood everything you said, because I do not understand English well!
We were talking about the 'sugar daddy' that is the common definition for a mature man who has a pretty young lover. Maybe Asami had a cute 'sugar daddy' who taught him everything about bondage. ;)
Ok, I hit a heartbeat!
@Lady: ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ I jumped into.. the wrong conclusion. Oops
@LF: Please ignore me LF XD I got the wrong idea. LOL
Oh my, I'll laugh if Sugar Daddy turns out to be canon. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
This is how I imagine him. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
https://media.glamour.com/photos/5695966a93ef4b09520d4141/master/w_1024,c_limit/fashion-2015-12-fashion-santa-velvet-main.jpg
Do not worry about Dragon Flying
oops
https://media.glamour.com/photos/5695966a93ef4b09520d4141/master/w_1024,c_limit/fashion-2015-12-fashion-santa-velvet-main.jpg
Doesn't work sorry >.<
Just google Fashion Santa ╥﹏╥
What is it? it tells me "error"!
(●'◡'●)ﾉ
Like this:
https://goo.gl/images/vVtVEk
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
(￣∇￣")
Yeah it is. (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
你猜~ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ)
英语废啊帮不了他们，我只是逛逛这网站扒些图。让山根给他们惊喜吧，反正也用不了多久了，今年必定明朗。
I feel like I can die of laughter just by reading your comment..(*^o^*)(*^o^*)
Thanks! ^^
Kuroda? (≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Oh my, if that prim and proper Kuroda is in to BDSM in his private life that'd be so funny.
(≧∀≦)(≧∀≦)
Exactly ^^ what a twist, coming from such an uptight man. Okay, just joking.