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I'll beat the shit out of him first then give him a warm big hug (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Oh, come on... be like Sangwoo and do both. lmao

I completely agree with you. Thought of the same thing

Bum was in love with Sangwoo before he was kidnapped, so no, not stockholm.
If anything, Sangwoo is developing Lima syndrome--in which the captor develops feelings for the hostage.

I'm still not convinced if sangwoo is really developing feelings yet or just see bum as a plaything. Bum is the only person he knows who accepts his twisted side. When he thought bum ran away... was he scared that a person he loves ran away or was he scared that the only person who accepts his twisted side, let him play with him however he wants but still say he loves him ran away? Is it a romantic feeling or is it a feeling of being accepted by someone who knows his dark side? Im still not sure.

I think that they're kinda each other's only person who they can "relay" to. I mean Bum hasn't had firedns at all, and Sangwoo doesn't really trust his so called friends, because when everyone wants to be your friend you just start to wonder who are your real friends. I think the lack of live in Sangwoo's life made h the way he is so now that Bum tells him he loves him (I'm not sure if he means it) it makes him feel things he isn't sure of, so I think he might develop feelings for Bum (or has already). (I have kind of a theory for his parents murder. Since we were shown that he loved his mum, I'm left to believe he didn't kill her, because when he starts to treat Bum a little nicer it has been awhile since the kidnapping and he hasn't treated any of the other victims that way because they all freak out, but Bum didn't. So I was thinking maybe the father was an alcoholic or something and killed the mum and then Sangwoo snapped and killed the father. And coming to realize what he has done (the murder) must have fucked him up (real bad).

Yeah, I agree with you. Bum has nowhere to go. He doesn't trust anyone and no one will care about him if he goes and ask for help. With sangwoo, he's getting shelter, food and little care that he has never recieved before. So he depends on him. In the case of sangwoo, bum is the only person who has seen his dark side and still accepted him and as that has never happened before, sangwoo can also play with him however he wants and bum doesn't retaliate, unlike other victims so sangwoo likes it a lot. They both depend on each other in their own way. Maybe this dependency will turn into having romantic feelings for each other or maybe they already feel that way and don't realise it yet. I think sangwoo's reaction to bum cutting his wrist and fainting will tell us a lot about how he sees bum as. Whether he'll panic or will act cold/indifferent.

Totally agree with you on him killing his father. I also don't think he killed his mum. We know that he loves his mum and misses her and her touch. Seeing how abusive his father was, he probably killed her and then got killed by sangwoo. Maybe killing his father gave him some sort of high or pleasure that he felt for the first time in his life and maybe that's the reason he continued killing poeple.

...another thing, i also wonder IF (totally hypothetical) that police officer (i forget his name lol) catches sangwoo and rescues bum from him and then falls in love with bum and offers his hand. Will bum go for him: someone who will love him the right or "normal" way or will he still prefer sangwoo and his messed up "love". Right now he's with sangwoo cause he cant go anywhere else and noone else cares about him. But if he has an option of choosing between being with a "normal" person who loves him or with a person like sangwoo who mostly physically and mentally hurts him but shows a bit of care here and there, who will he choose?..... idk I'm just thinking lol (￣∇￣")

Nahhh, that police officer is strict and rigid af. Remember, bum is also a murderer now? He'll toss his ass in jail w/out second thought

hahaha that might be the case but i wonder what's the ultimate purpose for his character? Is it just to catch them and throw their arse in jail or will he serve as a scapegoat for both sangwoo and bum (mainly sangwoo) to realise they have feelings for each other or will he serve as bum's happy ending? I've read too many storylines in which "rigid and strong" characters become softies cause of a certain another character. But then again, this manga is too messed up to have a happy ending. It'll most likely end in a "tragedy".

i kinda agree on the tragedy ending uwu. tho i really really dont want that T.T i love your point there. if we're talking about the officer's inclination between sangwoo or bum, i'd say, bum. idk, just kinda my hunch (which is probably biased because we havent read the full story of sangwoo's past yet.... arghhhh i need new chapters STAT!

SAME! I want the new chapter like right now!! I wanna know how sangwoo will react to what bum did (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

SAME! I want the new chapter like right now!! I wanna know how sangwoo will react to what bum did (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

sooon.... it's almost here right, 7th july or something??

yep 7th july, so close now! ヾ(☆▽☆)

@OP: I think Bum went:
Unhealthy "romantic" obsession > combo of fear and obsession > fear and dislike > back to "love" (so yeah, Stockholm syndrome)
Stockholm Syndrome is generally thought to be a way of coping in a hostage situation: you sympathize/empathize with your captor, so you can temporarily lessen the horror of your situation, and you don't completely lose it. Bum can't get away from Sangwoo (and doesn't think that anyone will miss him and come looking for him), so once he kind of realized the reality of the situation he stopped "loving" Sangwoo and started fearing/hating him. But that didn't help him, so in order to cope he's started "loving" Sangwoo again, probably in unconscious hopes that Sangwoo will continue to let him live if Bum "loves" him.

So yes, I do think that Bum is developing Stockholm syndrome, and I think his mental illness (BPD and what might be some form of psychosis) helps him transition back into "loving" Sangwoo. Which is interesting--severe mental illness as a survival tool.

Another very interesting tidbit that helps the Stockholm syndrome argument: In he original incident that the syndrome is named after, one of the captors was said to have been singing... wait for it... "Killing Me Softly." I was reading about the syndrome because of this webtoon when I saw that fun fact.

However, I think what's more interesting here is Sangwoo developing Lima Syndrome. While I don't think he "loves" Bum like Bum "loves" him, he still seems to have developed an emotional dependence on Bum. (I think Bum has become a replacement mother figure.) When Bum supposedly ran away, he wasn't just like, "Damn this is bad, gotta catch him before he turns me in." No, he was having actual feelings about it, feelings he, as a likely sociopath, couldn't comprehend or deal with. He wanted to find and kill Bum so the feeling would "go away." That sort of intense emotional response (or at least intense for a sociopath) does not speak to the frustration of a Magnificent Bastard who might have made a mistake.

I don't agree with Stockholm syndrome for say, but it's a possibility. I do know though that he never stopped loving him when everything went to hell instead he admitted to hating him but hating himself for still loving him, he was literary split between hating him/loving him. Your correct that bum mind isn't screwed correctly his mental illness doesn't allow him to see the reality of the world, instead he sees what he believes is his only salvation. He has no one in the world, his only way of survival was to obsessively develop unhealthy feelings for those who pay a minimum attention to him, the girl. That's why when she was the biggest asshole, he didn't stop loving her instead his unhealthy mind made up the whole idea "we're dating", someone normal wouldn't gotten the hint already and sad "screw her" but his obsession ended when he developed an obsession with sangwoo instead. He wanted to escape because he was aware that it was a hell hole, he hated his situation but remember sangwoo gave a little to nun affection in the beginning and that was enough to make him happy. In the party he wanted to escape he told people "I'm captive, help me".... but he was also overly jealous and annoyed how sangwoo gave affection to that girl. He was willing to kill, not because i was told to do it and if i don't i might be in trouble, instead his rage, his jealousy and his past made is possible to kill her, he overly stabbed her as well. It wasn't a simple "kill", it was a "Kill" that he felt she deserved.

Do you think he loves the twisted sangwoo or are these feelings a residue of his past obsession with a "perfect" sangwoo. Before being a captive, he saw sangwoo as a kind, loved by all, perfect human being. He was in love and deeply emotionally attached with that kind of sangwoo. But after he found out about the "real" him, he was scared of him. Before their party, he was scared of even looking at him. He hesitated to answer when sangwoo asked him "Do you love me?" that he had to ask twice. When sangwoo got closer to him after, he flinched. During this whole scene, he had a sad expression on his face.
After that, he tried to run away and ask for help when he got the chance. He was so desperate to escape that he began roughly shaking that girl without realizing....all of these actions and the expressions on his face makes me believe that he dislikes the "twisted" sangwoo and doesn't want to be a captive anymore. But after sangwoo comes on the stage and bum notices how the people are watching him with awe, it reminds him of that "perfect" sangwoo he fell in love with. He wants to hate sangwoo...he hates the twisted sangwoo but somewhere deep in his heart, he's still in love with that "perfect" sangwoo and those feelings came out when he saw him on the stage. I believe that was the first time he saw sangwoo like that after being held captive. It seems that he dislikes and fears the twisted sangwoo but still has residue feelings for the perfect sangwoo. His mind is jumbled up with old feelings of love and newly developed feelings of hate/fear.