ari's Topics (135)

ikr!! she seems like a cunning character, im interested in her more than the weird love triangle rn

lmaoo fr it’s more like a love square tbh. a full on harem at this point

yeah, they should all just fuck it out

ok im back and i'm reading ch 58 rn. ok so i get why ein did it, doesnt make me any less sad, but yh ok he was trying to save diesel and therefore had to kill yanek. but fuck it bothers me so much that diesel just had to cheat?? like? he has not one shred of loyalty despite being a "dog." it just makes me so upset that yanek is killed right after he finds out his lover was literally sleeping w someone else while he was in danger of being caught and arrested

i mean yanek wasn't the best owner to be exact, he always left diesel at home unless it was night time, and even then he'd just flaunt diesel around and make him scare anyone who wanted to hurt him. i think yanek was kinda using him tbh that's my take of why diesel did it. he was probably also attracted to ein who showed that he cared for him and yada yada. but tbh yanek switched up so fast you can tell he didn't love diesel the way he reacted he did not give half a shit and was about to kill him from a misunderstanding

i do get that and yeah like i said i don’t believe yanek was a good person. but “was about to kill him from a misunderstanding”? sure, he did misunderstand and think they were working together to trick him, but the fact he was cheated on sure as hell wasn’t a misunderstanding. he’s justified in feeling like he was betrayed even if he did misunderstand one aspect. you cannot tell me he never loved diesel when everything he did was to PROTECT him. it baffles me that you think him keeping diesel inside unless it was night time was a horrible thing. like, i sure wonder why he did that. maybe it’s because diesel was literally tortured and abused by people who found out he’s wolf wouldnt that be crazy. like ofc yanek is going to be protective when he first found diesel in that horrific state.

the thing is yanek never saw diesel as an equal lover, but as an object for him to possess (in ch 56 he explicitly says to ein that he “put his hands on what’s mine”). that’s why he immediately went to try and kill diesel once he found out about him and ein. it wasn’t about him being hurt that his partner cheated on him, but because his “possession” had been tainted. if yanek truly loved diesel, he wouldn’t have kept him in dangerous situation (being involved with the illegal drug trade). in comparison, in ch 57 when ein is dying, he immediately tells diesel to run away before the cops come to prevent putting him in a dangerous situation (revealing that he’s a wolf), even though that could result in ein bleeding out and dying. diesel also explicitly states that yanek never loved him in ch. 61. the entire point of ein’s decision to leave diesel behind was to show that unlike yanek, he actually loves diesel. like yanek, ein knows that keeping diesel with him puts him in a dangerous situation. but unlike yanek, after ein is attacked by the mafia ch 39 he tells diesel to leave with minsuk to siberia because his priority isn’t his personal desire to posses diesel (like yanek), but to keep diesel safe.

that's actually a really good point!! however, i'm still bothered by the fact that diesel cheated tho because i although i get your point that yanek didn't see him as an equal but as an object, it still is horrible to betray someone who quite literally trained him, killed for him, cared for him and kept him alive and well. and then he moves on from his dead lover to ein so quick. that isn't cute or romantic at all, it's toxic and quite honestly just doesn't feel like real love at all especially when you remember his reason for staying with ein is "you're the only one i have." doesn't sound healthy at all. like, imagine cheating on your lover with someone, that person kills your lover and then you choose to stay with him. who tf does that? he's quite literally the definition of unloyal, no matter what, he never should've cheated and then acted like he was a complete victim in that relationship and completely ignore the fact he's a disloyal ass cheater. he always goes on and on about how he would "die for yanek" but he couldn't even have the basic decency to not sleep with someone else? be so fr rn. someone who loves you and would die for you would never cheat. throughout his entire weird love triangle with ein and yanek, he continuously lied to yanek about ein. he knew that ein was a cop and was lying to them the entire time but never told yanek the truth. he would die for him? fucking bullshit he couldn't even do the most basic things a lover does for him

yeah i agree with you diesel did move on too quick it almost felt like did you actually love yanek??? i think if he did he wouldn't have cheated with ein or what do yall think? or maybe it was just diesel's training that made him go yeah ofc i'd die for him, bc like rn with ein he definitely would die for ein, but didn't do the same for yanek. i think diesel was disloyal but i feel like it was because he didn't love yanek? idk maybe he felt indebted to yanek but i feel like if he loved yanek the way he loved ein, he wouldn't ever even look at anyone else let alone cheat. and actually i'm glad you noticed that i feel like not many talk about this, how diesel says "you're all i have" AND even in another chapter says "i know ein doesn't love me" i felt like they glossed over that too quick and never provided context for that like wtf?

this!!! diesel's character is so all over the place because a lot of what he says is completely inconsistent with how he acts. like you said, all his actions makes it feel like he never loved yanek at all, and yet he loves to go on and on about how much he loved him. literally gave me whiplash. i think it might've just been horrible writing from the author's part (btw i loved the author's most recent work so this was just straight disappointing for me) and it feels like an awful attempt from the author to try to present him as the 'good guy' and yanek as the 'villain.' diesel's dialogue really villainises yanek and victimises himself (E.g. Yanek was my everything. I could die for him. It didn't matter that he didn't love me.), which is so inconsistent with his horrible acts of constant disloyalty to yanek. YEAH OMG their relationship is so crazy to me, like, it is so so unhealthy and codependent. diesel only has ein because mf killed yanek lmao so it feels more like he's almost trapped in this relationship more than anything. i honestly don't think i saw anyone talking about this at all, i think everyone loves them and their relationship lmfao. meanwhile for me, diesel has made it up there to like my most disliked character like i cannot stand that mf. to think i started reading this because i thought he was so beautiful too T^T (i was tricked by the cover). yeah that line was INSANE i was literally baffled lmfaooo and just like u said, it was never expanded on too bruhhh i cannot w this manhwa lol i dropped it and honestly it left me with so much sadness and anger. full on cried my eyeballs out when yanek was killed and then i saw people hating him and celebrating his death and nearly tore my hair out out of anger ahahha

YESS diesel is always presented as the victim, which he kind of was at the start, and that yanek was the horrible villian. but in reality yanek took care of him even if he didn't do his best and brought him into the gang life, yanek just did what he could i guess. yanek could be seen as a villian in general bc he was involved in gangs and shit, and that's why the author portrayed ein as the hero angel cop who killed the bad guy and saved the day yipeee. but i kinda hated that dynamic lol it didn't work esp after the author kinda showed yanek being kind to diesel

but yeah diesel was all bark no bite bc he talked so much about how yanek was his whole world okay then why'd you cheat dawg?? wtf lmaoo. i think like you said the author just wanted to gloss over it and move on because they really didn't delve deep into diesel's actions at all i wish they did.

AND YESS I NOTICED THIS BEFORE THE NIGHTFALL SIDE STORIES STARTED, their relationship is not as sweet as anyone makes it seem, diesel is only with ein because he only has just ein like you said. and then the author never really talked about if they really loved each other or if diesel resented ein or ANY of the shit they needed to talk about, they're just presented as badass cop and his badass bf who can beat up anyone. and yeah i agree with you i was a little sad when yanek died bc he cared for diesel when he was abused at first and never judged him for being a wolf, but the story just moved on so i did too lmao. but DAMN you really hate diesel lmaooooo i think he's kinda annoying to me he's not my favorite character, all he has is his looks fr. but he's flawed just like anyone so i still read tbh AHAHA did you stop reading the side stories bc of him or what

i agree that diesel’s reasoning for being with ein initially wasn’t healthy, but i don’t think that the author was trying to portray it as such. over the course of diesel and ein’s storyline the author intentionally draws parallels between ein and yanek (ex. his reasoning for being with both of them in the beginning being because he had no one else), and uses those parallels to highlight ein’s growth as a person and a partner to diesel. before meeting yanek diesel’s only experience with humans was abuse, so when yanek took him in and didnt immediately turn to abuse, diesel accepted it because it was better that what he had experienced previously. because he had never experienced a true, loving relationship, diesel wasn’t able to notice the issues in the way that yanek was treating him. when diesel would say that he was willing to die for yanek it wasn’t him expressing his love for yanek, but that he would rather die than be left alone and risk being imprisoned by humans again (he says this in ch 53). i totally get why diesel sleeping with ein would rub you the wrong way (i also felt kind of weird abt it when i first read it), but i think the author’s reasoning for including it was to provide diesel with a way to finally understand that yanek wasn’t treating him with love (ex. after ein kisses him, the first think diesel thinks about is how gentle ein’s touch was). i think the point where we disagree is that i personally don’t think that yanek saving diesel from his previous situation means that diesel owes him undying loyalty regardless of yanek’s actions. while yanek chose to save him, he also chose to prioritize his own selfish desires and keep diesel in a position where his life was constantly at risk. in comparison, ein chose to prioritize diesel’s safety even though it would mean leaving behind the person he loved. this is what separates ein from yanek and makes him a good partner. yanek never prioritized keeping diesel alive, so i truly do not think that diesel had any obligation to prioritize protecting yanek.

also i wanna clarify that i’m not trying to come across as rude or anything, i just wanna share my thoughts on this story since it’s a favorite of mine! i genuinely appreciate you being open to the points i expressed in my previous comment :)

EXACTLY OH MY GODD u get me ahahah. I think my comment was mass disliked lmfao so I’m happy that at least one person understands and agrees w me on this, felt like I was insane for this omg. Literally it was such like black and white morality I was actually like holy fuck are you serious? Cop = good ig like i cannottt lmao like the author wrote such an interesting character (yanek) only to throw him to the side and brand him as a villain for the sake of making the couple look good.

AHAHA FRRR for a dog he is the most disloyal mf. Poor yanek trusted him and got killed, crazy how his motto to never trust humans applied to him too. Anyone who trusted humans aren’t alive anymore ig T^T

LMAOO yeah i mostly hate him because how disappointed i was by his actions, and also because of the audience reaction to him. he ain’t some badass cutie that the readers like to view him as he’s just a cheater ahahah. bro i stopped reading like a couple of chapters into the arc where they were in siberia couldn’t stand diesel anymore lol every time i see him i just remember yanek pulling off his necklace and dying ;-;

i’ll start by responding to ur last paragraph lmaoo. don’t worry bae ahahah i never thought you were being rude or anything, we’re just having the world’s longest discussion on a manhwa lmaoo. i’m having fun replying to you and hatdiggitydog, especially since you and i mostly disagree whereas hatdiggitydog (LMAO) and i agree. i thought of it as a thoughtful conversation and exploration on our different opinions and interpretations on the manhwa, nothing rude dw. haven’t written this much since i graduated high school last yr ahaha i needed it.

ok, so onto the rest. honestly, after reading your response i’m really seeing your point of view now. i personally never caught that the point of diesel cheating was to show how differently ein and yanek treat him because honestly i was too busy being infuriated lmaooo. it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth and i just feel like that could’ve been conveyed in a way that wouldn’t present cheating as some romantic thing to do… my problem with ein is like i would never have my eyes on a “friend’s” lover and literally steal them away like god i get that he’s trying to save diesel and that that was also a way to keep him preoccupied while yanek’s is being arrested and what not, but seriously, that kind of character is just personally not for me. i feel like it should be obvious that someone else’s lover is just off limits, like ok if they were broken up sure, but not when they’re still together. however, i do understand why he is obviously a much better lover than yanek, so yeah probably just comes down to personal taste atp. still love yanek i’m ngl. i get why you (and quite frankly, everyone) sees him as a villain, but i just cannot forget his expression when he realised diesel chose ein over him T^T

now, about the part where we disagree. okay, so, the reason why i think he absolutely is entitled to diesel’s undying loyalty is not really because he saved him. that just rubs a shit ton of salt into the wound when diesel betrays him, but it isn’t the entire reason why i think yanek deserves it. the reason why is that bro- diesel basically promises yanek his loyalty and always says how he’d die for him. i know that you see that as him not actually loving him but rather being scared to die alone. that’s exactly my problem with it. don’t you see that yanek cannot do anything but take his word (that diesel would die FOR HIM, basically promising loyalty) for it? and the fact that diesel does not mean what he says makes it so much worse to me. my point is that yanek deserves loyalty because diesel is his lover, and diesel promises it to him. i kind of don’t understand why you believe he doesn’t deserve loyalty. he’s a bad lover so diesel can be a bad lover to him too? two wrongs don’t make a right, it’s that easy. once again, i don’t believe yanek was a good lover anymore, but it’s still not right to betray him.

sorry if none of this made sense lmaoo

no you're literally not wrong bro. what you said was literal facts coming from the story itself. it's just people liked the idea of yanek dying so ein and diesel can be together bc they're the og couple. that's why no one ever talks about yanek or gives a shit about him even tho he was an important character whos presence STILL IS BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THE NIGHTFALL SERIES HES ALWYAS HAUNTING DIESEL lol

and YEAHHH DIESELS PAST WITH YANEK THAT SHIT WAS SO INTERESTING WITH EIN TOO BEFORE IT BECAME FUCKED UP AND SAD IT GAVE ME LIKE 90S NOIR CRIME FILM VIBE i miss that i might reread bc of you now lmao

HAHAHAHAH okay yeah i get you especially now the side stories are ONLY about diesel and ein you'd hate that but there are new characters introduced if you wanna read there's a hot human trafficker gang head yanek 2.0 lmaooo

LMAOO thanks bro omg ur speaking facts too fr!! like, LITERALLY they just wanted him outta the way im tempted to change my name to yanek apologist at this point AHAHA (im way too passionate about this pls send help, typed so many literal essays on this already LMFAO I CANT). NAHH THEY STILL TALKIN ABT HIM? STOP i dont even want to know what bs they say abt him because every time i saw diesel bring yanek up IT WAS ALWAYS VILLAINISING HIM HOLY SHIT i couldn't stand it lmfaoo bro got amnesia and forgot everything yanek did for him.

NO 'CAUSE FR I WAS LOVING IT SOO MUCH AND SO INVESTED MAN. AND I WAS ACTUALLY SO EXCITED/CURIOUS (BUT ALSO DREADING BECAUSE I LOVED YANEK FROM THE START LOL) TO SEE HOW EIN AND DIESEL ENDED UP TOGETHER AND THEN THEY DID THAT CHEATING BS LMAOO. helppp your welcome AHAHA hope u enjoy if u do end up rereading it

god yeah no thanks lmfao u know me too well atp hahaha. never touching this manhwa again (except in the comments ofc wolf if the house do be my toxic ex). NAH AHAHA U CANT CONVINCE ME W THAT no one will ever replace yanek for me

LMAOOOO youre just like me fr except im a tj apologist dont come for me pls. also no theyre not exactly talking about yanek like they aint shitting on him. ein just keeps mentioning how diesel being back in czech must bring back bad memories (of yanek im guessing) lmao. ik that will have you fuming bc it's actually pissing me off how they're talking as if diesel went through war and back. like lil bro you got double dicked down by a cop and a gangster?? where's the sad? anyway yeahh rip this story

it was nice ranting with you lol see you in another comment section maybe <3

now that i know that, i'm even more glad i made the decision to drop it lmfao omg plss these mfs are so insufferable. HELPPPP "like lil bro you got double dicked down by a cop and a gangster?? where's the sad?" IM HOWLING AHHAHAHHA. wait hold on maybe they're talking about the abuse shit he suffered before he was rescued by yanek lmaoo i really hope they are because that was FAR, FAR WORSe than anything yanek ever did. oh yeah i aint gonna lie idk who tj is and i think i'll just stay blissfully unaware haha.

LMAO yeah that was fun and i hope to see u again in another comment section too <33

oh yeahhhhh you're right they probably talking about how he was abused in that church lol that makes more sense but HOLD ON LET ME PUT YOU ON TJ OKAY there's a story called Wet Sand tj is one of the characters and i will die defending his shitty ass idc it's interesting too and all the characters are fine af if you wanna give it a read

Do you know where to read the books?

hi i found the first one on internet archive
https://archive.org/details/hellhighwater0000coch/mode/2up
haven't found the others sorry, might have to buy them

oop hold on i did some digging in the comments on this and found places to read them lmfaoo
https://www.9novelsread.com/read/blood--thunder/411591
https://onlinereadfreenovel.com/charlie-cochet/728-blood_&_thunder.amp

Omg ty ty (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

no worries!!