Also let’s not glaze over the fact that Griz ponced on Towa even when he thought he was 17 yo as well (since he thought only 4 years passed for Towa as well) so even if he was not attracted to him when Towa was 13 bro would still be problematic cause why you so ready to jump a 17 yo as a 32 yo man ?! Author really think that as long as the actual age when they have steamy scenes is ok everything is fine but can't justify enough how much it isn’t
Towa is now 28 and griz is 32 , for towa 15 years passed but for griz only 4, but yes , still , he himself said that he liked towa and that when towa was only 13 and griz 28 so yes it's still problematic....
Wanna know something funny? In the Philippines, the legal age of consent was 12, but times changed and it was considered too young so they changed it to 13.
Seeing manga like this and dissing it reminds me of my own government and it just makes me wanna... Yeah....
Whoa, calm down, friend—no one is attacking your government; it’s just my opinion and the general view held by a large part of the world, seriously... I know that back in the day people used to get married at 13 or 14, but nowadays it’s illegal in many places. Still, everyone should do what works for them, and you guys should do what works for you. Besides, no one is disrespecting the manga; we’re just sharing our opinions... seriously... All in all, the manga is very enjoyable and interesting.
Yes but Griz as a 32 yo man kissed (and did more to) Towa multiple times while thinking that he was 17 yo, so the issue is that he was ready to do all that to a 17 yo (even though Towa was actually 28) which is why I'm saying he is problematic even without the crush on 13 yo Towa.
Ah no ur opinion ain't bad. I'm just reminded everyday of how messed up everything is.
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Don’t understand why author didn’t make Towa a 16-17 yo and Griz 19-20 yo and the time skip being still 4 years for Griz and 6 or 7 for Towa (still a bit weird but much more acceptable than a 28 yo lusting over a 13 yo). That would also justify a bit more the hate directed at Towa when he first came for being immature since he would be a bit older and 16 yo are probably considered adults in this world (even though what the hell does the kingdom expect from a kid who was transported from another world ??). This is just icky when you consider their ages.
The only thing that I dislike here is the virgin MC vs the ML with a whole lot of experience trope. Bro is 30 yo ffs him having experience doesn’t make him less in love and doesn’t take anything from the story. I hate this trope with my whole being, most of the time they use the excuse that the MC is young at least compared to the ML (or just fboy ML lol he is so crazy omg) but here it’s not even that. Even if they do a whole reveal of the ML not having experience as well, which I doubt, this still would hit as unrealistic. Why can’t they both have experience, one more than the other sure but not Marie Sue and a whole Succubus for once (and I don’t like it that much even when the roles are reversed). Really love this story apart from that.
Why is it unrealistic for a 30 year old to not have experience?
What an odd thing to say. Some people don't want sex without an emotional connection, it's not that complicated or that rare.
I'd agree if him being a virgin was put on a pedestal and treated as some virtue, but here it's simply the result of him not being able to move on from his crush. It's treated as a hindrance if anything.
Forcing yourself into intimacy that you do not want just because everyone else is doing it is not a good thing. If anything it would take away from Woojin as a character who is depicted as a deeply romantic person despite his wild looks.
I've seen both reply and while I do agree with both the fact that it’s not strange at all for a 30 yo to not have experience or not wanting intimacy without love, both of yall do not understand that what I'm criticizing as a avid and long-time BL reader (and romance reader in general because I do believe that there is a link to misogyny in that trope but let’s not open that can of worm) isn’t that but the constant Virgin MC and very experienced ML trope that is overly used all the time.
What I'm saying is that the set up perfectly allowed this trope to be avoided for once. You're missing my point but I didn’t express properly with the unrealistic bit: what I'm trying to say is this was a setup where it was unnecessary to try and incorporate that rather than saying it’s unrealistic to not have experience at 30 yo (and even more unnecessary if they try to incorporate the trope just to have the ML reveal he doesn’t have experience as well cause why all that then).
I mean, you specifically said that you like the story other than this trope so I don't think there's much to misunderstand about your statement. I still very much disagree that this trope applies here at all. So far, absolutely nothing indicates that ML is a player other than MC just assuming that he's experienced. ML showed zero interest in anyone else in any of the flashbacks we've seen so far. MC also isn't out there trying to "protect his virtue" or whatever, he simply can't move on from his first love and so he's unable to start another relationship. I wouldn't be too surprised if it's revealed that both of them faked being experienced just so they could get a chance to be with the person they've been pining for so long. And I don't think it's a trope out of place, this set up is clearly driving the whole plot.
I agree there's plenty of crappy virgin tropes out there but not in this story.
I think you're narrowing down the trope I'm criticizing. I never said the ML had to be a player for it to apply. I'm talking about the broader “virgin/inexperienced MC vs very experienced ML” dynamic and the playboy version is just one variation of it (All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares kinda thing : a playboy ML is experienced but an experienced ML isn't necessarily a playboy). So saying he isn't portrayed as a player doesn't really address my point.
I also think we're mixing up a trope being well executed or justified with it not being there at all. I understand why Woojin has no experience, and I agree that it makes sense for his character (even though I expressed myself clumsily). My issue was never that his virginity makes no sense or that he should have forced himself to sleep with people. A trope can be perfectly justified in-story and still be a trope and this particular experience imbalance is so often present in romance.
If your point is that we don't actually know whether the ML is experienced and Woojin is only assuming he is, that's fair. But even if the ML turns out to be inexperienced too, that was part of my original point: the trope would be subverted rather than played straight, but the story still chose to use that dynamic by making us (and the MC) believe there was a huge experience gap between them. I'm tired of the setup itself and for me, using that trope only to subvert doesn't make the reveal particularly satisfying.
At the end of the day, this is just my opinion and we can agree to disagree. I'm just frustrated to see this trope being used even in such a good story.
Just noticed...Why the fuck are full on children going to hell? Cause the top dedicated himself to kids so there are at least enough kids for it to be a profession. It can’t be that they died before their parents since it was said to be a false reason used by the top. What the hell is going on in this world for these kids to end up in hell they can't all be the spawns of Satan or is it cause they died having regrets about love since it’s love hell ? What kind of regrets about love 8 yo have to end up in hell bro ?? Didn’t get to eat a whole cake before dying or sum ? (Probably missing their parents but this is funnier)
It was explained in the chapter one translation notes
Oh ok thanks !! I only read the last chapter updated without re-reading the whole thing when it came out so I totally forgot about it That makes more sense now !
Seeing all the spoilers Rei is definitely stronger than me cause if the King did that to me imma crash out, you made me a murderer imma be a murderer all the way and try to kill as many people as possible strarting from him to crush the damn Kingdom. The hero party is about to face a second Demon King cause only death will stop me I'm too resentful for this even with all the thing about the prophecy, this will become a Greek tragedy.
Because it wasn't the King's fault either, it was the will of the world that decided who would be in the Hero's Party. Rei doesn't hold a grudge because he knows not even the Oracle wanted to do it, everyone had as much power to fight fate as him it's just that he was the one who ended up suffering because of it.
Albert, however, does hold a grudge against himself and everyone else for what happened.
Yeah I would be the same
Why do I feel like something will happen to both of them during moons like this and that’s why Guwon feels close to teach or that Guwon’s reaction is a full red herring and only teach is about to go ballistic on the townspeople on his own
Bruh Renji is so manipulative I hate him he is all the stereotypes I hate in a top combined bro
hard agree!!! he pisses me off I hate him
Bruh so the dad had an affair but nooo the mom of the bro is the villainess here (yeah what she did to her own son was awful but she clearly suffered too) and we never go back on how the dad is the biggest piece of shit here that only brought the bro after not getting a son and didn't react while he was being bullied in the house ? Yeah fuck this already right of the bat
I did call caps and that it was a dream with no spoil and I was right lol too bad we didn’t get more old man yaoi tho would have loved to see them both grow old together and see how their dynamic evolved throughout time
Homie if anyone grabs my face like that and shove something in my mouth on first meet the only thing that’s gonna happen next is them getting punched in the face