This situation seems so dubious. The grandpa had sex with so many creatures while he also married someone? And it seemed like the creatures were all so young. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
It's been awhile since I saw teens act like teens.
OMG you're right
I wonder if the ML really thought of the MC as a substitute. If he did then jeje is right, the mc has way more options than pine for a jerk who uses others as a substitute. If he didn't use the mc as a substitute then all is forgiven. But I feel like this is going to be a central conflict seeing as it's been foreshadowed since so early
I don't feel like the knights are so noble either. They're just going along with the winning side. If they were truly noble, they would've stood up to the king even when he wasn't weakened. It's normal human psychology but that's what the knights are, normal humans who have treated slaves as less than. They adapted to their environment but,I still wish they paid their due to the enslaved. Is it really a matter that can be swept away that easily?
that's not something people who live in a dictatorship can do. they'd immediately be cut down then they wouldn't be able to help anyone
That's why such people are called noble, isn't it? When they overcome the odds and stand for what they believe in. That's why I'm saying that the knights are just normal not noble. I'm not saying their incorrigible but they did make plenty of mistakes, I believe any normal person would have a conscience to guide them. Do you really think they wouldn't have felt that treating slaves that way isn't anything wrong? I think they knew what they were doing was wrong but they did it anyway because of their society. They are a product of their society but, in no way are they heroes.
Ok I understand where you’re coming from here but there is one more crucial piece of info that the other person forgot to mention. Before the destruction of the red stone the king was practically immortal. He healed instantly from injury. He was shocked to have been injured when he lost his arm because previously the red stone saved him. The knights that did have a more noble heart were stuck until the king could be injured/killed. They started making their move when they realized he was weakening but first they needed to get the collateral damage aka the slaves out first before they could take him down. Did they make mistakes? Yes noble does not mean they are no longer human and humans make mistakes. But their order had to wait or face being wiped out
I do understand what you're saying. I just guess we just have different interpretations about the word noble. For me following your conscience comes first. I believe that what makes people noble is the way they stand up for their believes without trampling on or hurting others. I just can't find myself calling these knights noble when they've been trampling on other humans' dignity and rights for so long. While they maybe trying to do the right thing now, i just feel like they fall short. Waiting until the king becomes weak is not the same as actively trying to find a way to weaken the king either. I feel like they adapted to their society and when the society showed signs of being able to change they pushed it along. Don't get me wrong, they are doing the right thing but I just find myself thinking, what if instead of waiting for a miracle, they worked towards it. When I think of noble, I think of the freedom fighters from my country. Who stood up when the society was against them and inspired others to do the same. Most of them lost their lives, most of them met with tragedy and tortured beyond our comprehension. But they put their lives on the line for what they believed in and let their sacrifices be the power that drove the change. I don't expect everyone to be able to do that, in fact most people won't be able to. That's what makes them heroes. But, that's just my interpretation, I guess how you perceive people also depends on your history. I've heard of great people all my life so maybe I'm being too critical of a manga. They seem like people who still have some goodness in them, I just hope the former slaves get some kind of reparation instead of just verbal apologies.
Don’t get me wrong I do see where you’re coming from. To be noble is to stand up for your morals and to not back down fully from them. But there is a difference between being smart noble and being emotionally noble. Freedom fighters allow their emotions to guild their nobility. Which is great! Especially when their sacrifice CAN be used as a symbol for progression and change. I hold a great deal of respect for people who can stand up and follow on their morals even at the cost of their life. But those ones? They KNOW that someone will take the stance after them.
Here is also something to think about. Every other person who COULD have possibly aided them or taken their cause up after their death were either enslaved or had something else to protect that would have been targeted.
The slave mark forces complete subservience. It takes away all free will from an individual and turns them into nothing but a moving doll. And there was noting in the story saying that it couldn’t have been used on the knights.
I classify these knights as smart noble. They want to follow their moral compass BUT they know that if they do especially openly or as openly as they wished to do so they would be culled and or worse enslaved and used as a symbol of subjugation.
In reality? I agree if these knights were knights of our world I wouldn’t classify them as noble because they could have easily become a symbol of resistance. But in this story where such a thing as an enslaving mark literally FORCES you into slavery and the force your against is near impossible to take down/kill? Especially with how protective of their power source they are? I can see why they stayed back and waited. And then pushed when it was possible to push.
Instead of becoming a symbol of subjugation to those who would follow them they waited until the time was right to take action to make the difference. I’m American with a deep love of history especially world history and through many histories the most noble of individuals often times worked in the shadows when they couldn’t act head on.
I agree that there are different kinds of nobles. People who do their work from the shadows are extremely brave. My problem here is that I felt like there was absolutely no indication that these knights wanted to change their society until the things got to the extreme. I feel like many of those knights were treating people like they're not equals in their minds till it got to that point. Maybe I'm just frustrated with the extreme injustice here. Those people were bred like animals, stripped of their free will and slaughtered at will. Somehow setting them free seems like too little too late. At least I hope they get help to able to integrate back into society.But at the same time I feel like most mangas or stories in general wouldn't think to go that deep. I think I'm just disturbed by the way the living creatures beastmen and animals included were treated here. They have to start from less than zero. I'm a really emotional person, if I do something wrong my conscience bothers me constantly. Which is why I dislike the idea that setting the slaves free cancels the harm these people did to them albeit under understandable conditions. I would never be able to feel good about myself again if I had to something remotely like that.
it’s just a title there’s no emotional connection about it
Y'all had such a deep convo from one words it's acc baffling like dam.. both of y'all have really good points too. The knights are def like the color gray neither good nor bad.
That’s because it’s fun to break things like this down. Like I know its a fictional character and may not always reflect reality or even a linear personality to the individual character but going deep into breaking down the different characters and comparing them to real life examples of what we feel/believe the meaning of their title is is a fun and liberating thing. It really brings out a bunch of different outlooks to a individual even if they are just fictional.
Yeah, it really is fun. Even though we don't agree on everything, I'm glad we had this conversation.
Same, especially since it gives different perspectives on such a simple word and its meaning to an individual. This discussion even gives us a clue into each others cultures without point out what culture were from unless we bluntly stated it (like me saying I’m American) its why I love friendly discussions like this. It gives me more to chew on in the future when reading or even interacting with others on certain topics.
It's cute but the mc's art style throws me off for some reason. I also feel like he's kind of obtuse. I mean, why would you bring up the topic of age every sentence around someone who's conscious about their age? I wanted to like this but, I couldn't complete it. It kind of got exhausting after a point for me. The mc's thoughts seemed more like a teenager's rather than an adult's to me.
Glen is a sweetheart. He doesn't deserve this, has to be the first novel where the mc is insufferable. I thought it was funny at first, later I realised that if I had someone like the mc in my life, my life would be shitty.
I wonder about this thing in many japanese mangas where most people discourage and look down or atleast be rude to the mc who's learning new skills. Why is that? Is it just for creating drama in a manga or does it actually happen in real life?
Does anyone know of any other manga,manhwa,manhua or even a novel with the main characters having such good chemistry. I love that the main characters are so free in this, not affected by other's opinions and so in sync. I'll be eternally grateful if anyone recommends similar stories.
I don't get it. Why are there such stupidly malicious people everywhere in almost all manga and manhua. It really irritates me when they get off without even a tongue lashing. I kind of want to go into the story and chase them with a slipper.
Just like in real life
I was nostalgic about old bl manga so I came back to read this and all i realised is how good we have it now. There is absolutely no communication, the ml is pathetic. Why the f would he agree to date someone while already in a relationship? That's cheating. And the girl is just a pervert. She sexually harassed the ML, no other way of putting it. All in all, the mc deserves someone better, someone who talks and doesn't cheat.