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He's joining forces with Ilay.

right like go back to where u came from u had ur chance buster no one gaf abt u anymore

not really his goal here is not to join forces with ilay it’s to take taeui from ilay before ilay shows up. you think xinlu of all ppl would cooperate with ilay??

Exactly my point

Yes I think so, to get their lil boy back. But let's see next chapter I guess. (And don't spoil me thanks)

Impulse control going insane

there’s a reason why people look down on female prostitututes rather than the men that also take part. the female gets used and wears out and the man doesn’t because of his position. the top in a sexual position is dominant and has the control while the bottom submits out of love or whatsoever. minyoung submitting to cheol despite being able to top perfectly IS an act of love and further elevates his devotion to him.

flawed af thinking. but you're cooking something up with it. THIS exactly is the power imbalances/dynamic during s*x and this is why we see female purity over male purity because "getting f*cked" is a bad thing while "f*cking" is a superior thing. and as long as we don't see s*x as an equal activity, and keep putting giver/receiver roles, we'll never get out of sl*t shaming/ s*xual abuse.
coming back to your point on how minyoung is bottoming only for cheol, well it can be seen as a devotion, yes. but at the same time, he is a f*ckboy. sleeping with other men while *"chasing" cheol doesn't make him less of a player. his obsession is insane, but not just romantic necessarily. he's psychopathically obsessed over cheol, and can't digest the fact that he 'lost' to someone who is complete opposite of him(cheol marrying a woman totally different than minyoung). even though cheol never loved that woman, what's done is done, he'll always be her ex-husband. and JMY doesn't like it. also, cheol was also out there sleeping with his wife, and before marrying, other girls/boys as well(i assume), so while both were each other's first, they did have s*x with other people when they broke up. although they're super codependent and crazy about each other.

Lmao I thought that same thing I read the first half of what they were saying and was like "yeah!, oh, yeah!, definitely!"
Then they started saying shit about bottoming being emotionally different and bottoms will get attached like??? No, that's not true, Wtf.
Then they went on about female prostitution and I was completely gone like brooo you were going good

and call me too much radical feminist pilled bcz i feel like hetero s*x is essentially about power. infact s*x (from heteronormative lens) is about power and not pleasure/love. a lot of s*x revolves around "getting f*cked" and "f*cking the other" ie. the shou/going (receiver/giver) dynamic. which i don't like. as long as there is a sentiment like this regarding s*x, i can't look at s*x as a loving activity. it's an 'acquiring' activity or 'giving away' activity depending on shou/going dynamic. this is why i enjoy vers couples (in yaoi/yuri manhwas) no hate to strict tops/bottoms irl, but sometimes it feels oddly heteronormative. there's a youtube video ( https://youtu.be/ObKOm_igUcM?si=rwXLP3J_44mvg0Iv) which sort of explains why s*x is inherently political as of now.

Uhh i mean no it's more just misogyny but i get what you're saying

I was with you until the last bit wat??? A top can sleep with multiple people while being emotionally attached but a bottom loses value??? I think you've got some stuff to work through icl

i say this because the act of bottoming or being submissive takes a toll on a person wether they want to admit or not. that’s exactly why it’s not advised to be wayward with one’s body and sleep around. ppl who are in a submissive position during intercourse wear themselves out they are getting penetrated and invaded for the person to not wear out there has to be a kind of bond or trust between the giver and the receiver. and if it’s just for lust with no emotional bond the person will wear out there’s a reason why sex work is always the last option for women because it does take a toll on the female while males can just sleep around as they want because they are the dominant in said position and technically don’t „loose“ anything.

just saying how it is..ofc it might be uncomfortable to admit but it’s the truth regardless.

"a top can sleep with multiple ppl without being emotionally detached but a bottom can’t it will affect them mentally and make them loose value" Ah, so your reason for liking Minyoung is just based in plain ol' misogyny. The same way you'd look at a promiscuous woman and say she'd have "lost value" if she'd had many partners, you would think the same about Minyoung if he'd been a bottom, because, what, "a lock that can be undone by many keys us useless"? If this is your foundation for enjoying Minyoung's character, I really do think you need to revalue your philosophies and stop listening to Andrew Tate, holy shit.

i dislike promiscuous people in general because i don’t see them as self-respecting at all but being a promiscuous reciver in intercourse is just worse i see that as a form of self harm and mental illness even. when i say a promiscuous woman looses value i mean in a more characteristic way a woman who whores themselves out like that with no restraint will also act recklessly toward other aspects of life they can’t control themselves, open up like that with every man they see abt smth so intimate so they loose credibility overall as a person. so yeah if me saying this makes me a misogynist ig i am.

The fact that you can talk yourself into being "in love with minyoungs character, mannerisms, personality" in spite of him literally being promiscuous and as much of a whore as anyone on the receiving in end is truly baffling. Sex is sex. As a primary top, he's at as much risk of STDs or other complications as any bottom, and there is actual proof that suggests bottoms form stronger emotional attachments than tops, or that they are hurt or "damaged" more by their sexual encounters.

Besides, Minyoung is now a bottom. What does that mean to you? Is he now losing value as a human being? As a character? Is he lesser than he was before? Sure, he's sleeping with the main character, but it's another number of sex partners on his long list and they're not in an established relationship, so what does that mean in terms of promiscuity?

There is no* actual proof

no as i said u misunderstand him being a bottom doesn’t make him lesser lmfaoo he’s only bottoming for cheol and him only ofc it doesn’t affect him then. also it’s not about proof it’s just about my stance on things. him topping all those men doesn’t count in my opinion it’s like he didn’t sleep with anyone at all. he bottomed for cheol only which further makes my point that he knows that bottoming/reciving is incredibly intimate he knows this and didn’t bottom for anyone other than cheol if it truly didn’t matter he could’ve done whatever. but he didn’t because of the weight behind being in a submissive position. minyoung was being promiscuous yes but the position he was in changed the entire weight of it.

one last time for everyone cuz you all seem to misunderstand my point i think.. i am saying that receiving/submitting carries a higher emotional and psychological load than giving, and that in that case, frequent casual sex in that role leads to loss of self-respect emotional credibility because the experience is more vulnerable, intimate, and embodied. both parties are involved with said wayward behaviour yes but the reciver has more to loose. i love minyoung decision to NOT bottom/give up submission to anyone that is not cheol. i really don’t know what’s so hard to understand ngl..

It's "hard to understand" because your entire stance is so incredibly problematic. Just because you frame it as "just my stance on things" doesn't detract from how flawed it is. You claim now that "him being a bottom doesn't make him lesser" because he only does it for Cheol, yet you simultaneously claim that anyone else who bottoms IS lesser, because according to you, bottoming on the regular inherently makes people lose value. Now, bottoming clearly is intimate to Minyoung's character, but you can't take that specific case and assign it to the sexual act of bottoming as a whole, because then you make this insane generalization that is not equally applicable to every single human being.

Some bottoms can emotionally detach from sex in the exact same way as some tops can if all they seek is pleasure, whereas some tops can be incredibly emotionally attached via sex. It's not a universal experience, yet your wording makes it seem like everyone experiences sex the exact same way, hence the reaction you're getting. There is no universal statistic that shows bottoming "carries a higher emotional and psychological load than giving." If you're going to make claims like bottoming "will affect them mentally and make them loose value" or "the bottom submits out of love," or that you see promiscuity "as a form of self harm and mental illness" but only when it comes to the receiver, what exactly are you trying to convey other than misogyny?

The fact that you think Minyoung's promiscuity "doesn't count" because he's the top in those relationships is actually insane, especially because he literally has sex with someone else AFTER sleeping with Cheol. So I guess if he cheats on Cheol, it won't count to you if he's the top, right? The mental gymnastics you have to go through in order to justify this... maybe the reason why so many people "misunderstand" your point is because your point makes no sense. Have you considered this possibility?

Absolutely not ,do Not associate me with that type of thinking please

that's where they started to lose me I was with them in the fact that i don't think it diminished the (idk character names)purple eyed dude's character to sleep around with people that look like the main guy, they aren't dating. It doesn't take away from his obsessive character because they all looked like mc

Main dude was literally married, so other dude (purple eyes man) can sleep around and as he said he left his ass untouched for main guy not because "bottoms can't sleep around a lot" but because he's just weird like that and probably to be able to say some Corny line like "my ass is yours

I want to ask one thing you say this is your stance on things but do you have any experience first hand , cause you can't claim to know that being the submissive party takes a toll on you without having at least experienced it yourself, in life you can't make such generalizations as people are all different

The reason why female prostitutes are usually more depressed it's because they are in a "submissive position during sex" it's the fact that some customers probably treat them like shit THAT is what take a psychological toll on people the same thing would happen for a male prostitute who always tops if all the customs acted like they were beneath dirt and sometimes hit them during the act they would have trauma as well but the thing about most men is that they would probably lash out and half a higher chance of winning fights
But yes sleeping around can be bad psychically sometimes but it's not exclusive to just the submissive party

Topping doesn't mean that sex won't take a toll on someone it's just that most tops are man and a lot of men are abusers which is probably what cause the whole being the submissive party is more dangerous mindset ,it's just that being with a man is what's dangerous you wouldn't think that with lesbian women the one that takes it is at more psychological risk would you ?

You realise you can just not be the kinda person who wants to sleep around while also simultaneously not caring if other people want to sleep around and respect them to the exact same extent you would any other person ? Idk you're echoing the same kinda things i thought when i was a sheltered tween dealing with internalised misogyny and trauma with the idea of sex from having seen porn too early. I'm not saying that's you, i'm just saying i know and have experienced how it's important in times like this to be able to critically engage with your own thoughts/mindset and recognise when something is not rational or logical. Just because you feel strongly about smth doesn't make it real, and the only way to get over deeply rooted prejudice is to just keep reminding yourself of reality whenever it comes up and then the aversion eventually dissipates. Idk of course this is like a tiny snapshot into your mind and might not apply but maybe smth to think about

Nooo anything but the amnesia card

Fuckass is such a beautiful word I didn’t know I needed to add to my vocabulary thank you for the introduction

Righttt she was cookin