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Literal translation: ”Kort men kraftig”
How it’s usually said: “liten men stark”

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I agree Alek is so hot especially with his long silver hair!

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yess agreed
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Agreed

Though I support what you said, I must say that Kang Jinha really does give a fuck about Siwon. He did what was best - for the time being. Unlike other semes who suddenly stop speaking to the uke so that the uke will cry and beg him to come back after a certain point of time, Jinha sat down with Siwon and actually 'DISCUSSED' their unlucky situation. He cares, you know? And Siwon cares for Jinha too but the ABRUPT OUTING caused fear in Siwon, unlike Jinha, who was happy that they won't have to hide their love anymore. To be frank, no one likes a secret love.

I wish they'd get back together though!

I meant that Kang doesn't give a fuck about what society thinks of him or his love for Siwon. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Exactly! Siwon hates the guy's guts for what he's done, why the hell would he fall in love with him after all the shit he's done? And I've see the raw for chapter 65 and Chinese guy is forcing Siwon and he is crying because he wants it to stop :(

Omfg. THANK you. I was about to post a comment saying this very thing to a poster below. Faith in humanity.... Restored! Just one thing, Woojung complains that his mother chose Sarang over him. What did Woojung EXPECT when he treated his brother like shit? The reason his mother left was because his FATHER found out Sarang was gay, probably because of Woojung, and started to HIT Sarang. If she left him in a situation like that she would have been an utterly SHIT mother. Woojung was left with his father probably because he was no better than his dad. So, if EITHER of the twins are responsible for their mother leaving Woojung behind, it's Woojung, HIMSELF.

Sometimes I really think that I am just too old for mangas and manhwas. They are probably directed to people from 15-19/20 and here I am with my 22 years old.... It's just really hilarious when you see all the faults,poorly written plot, imperfections and you just can't enjoy it and you write and write multiple times why this work is not so good, using various arguments to defend your point of view.. and here few comments above you see the same discussion all over again and completely misunderstanding the problems other readers have with that story.
It's not readers fault that the author makes Sarang's story so pitiful,dramatic. As I said before... I'm only waiting for some serious disease and accident that will cause amnesia. A lot of people are done with the trend of weak ukes that are always bullied,can't have gram of muscle on them,have the worst luck in the world, that can't defend themselves, that have to have some big,strong man beside them beacuse they're completely helpless.
Sarang is totally cutie pie cinnamon roll. Nobody understands what he had in head when he slept with his brother's friend who was in love with said brother...be he was curious ok? That's good reason enough. Also we know that his bf is totally asshole but he cheated on him. Twice. We didn't even know that Sarang has a bf. And he wasn't really worried about that he was cheating on him. Infidelity is infidelity. It's never ok. He should have broken up with Eungi long time ago.
Their mother shouldn't choose. She should keep in touch with Woojung. Try to talk to him.
And Woojung yup he is rather one dimensional brat, like nearly everyone in this story including Jinwoo whose feeling were so deep that in the end it was all about looks (he forgot about his supposed love of the life in couple of days and fell in love with his twin brother in few next days,seriously if it was anyone but his twin brother i would cheer on them).And it's nice addition that Sarang's is stereotypical uke,cute,adorable,femine. It makes Jinwoo feel musculine and important.
But I think Woojung aversion to Sarang is also caused by the splitting of their family (which was caused by Sarang but it wasn't his fault, I'm not saying that it was his fault ok?). It's also fault of their father that Woojung grew up in homophobic environment and he is like he is...you heard about something called determinism maybe?
And of course the girl always girls can't be normal. Pink hair girl of course has to be obsessed,liar. Beacuse meh man yaoi.
The story is too dramatic, characters are flat and they behaviour is sometimes completely illogicall... But yup it's the readers that are just ungreatful brats when they point this out.
But art is gorgeous. I have to admit that at last.

Well, I'm 22, too and i like this story. If you don't like this story for various reasons, that's fine. But I really doubt that's because of your age. 19/20 and 22 years aren't even that far from each other agewise.

You're probably right, i guess i wouldn't enjoy this kind of story even if i was 17. It's just not my cup of tea.And i like mangas in general (yaoi). The works of Scarlet Beriko, Oogawa Chise (few titles not all), Harada, Sachimo... they are gorgeous. Even few webtoons are not so bad. F.e. Out of control is quiet charming.

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Ahh well i never mind "weak" ukes, since i can relate and understand them very well.
People just aren't nice and the world isn't a good place for people who are genuine. It's all about being the strongest, the prettiest, the handsomest, the smartest etc. And to some people that means bringing others down. Especially if you are different OR if you have something they dont have. It's hard to stand up for urself when u have low selfesteem and ur being bullied AND your family is against you. Which is why most ukes are the same. Its what happends in real life all the time.
About Sarang cheating on Eungi, YES it was a bad thing to do and cheating on someone even tho they cheated on you first DOES NOT make it alright to cheat. But i can understand a lil bit why it ended up like that ( im not defending him at all dw).
Firstly, people who cheat even when they are in love and sincere about it, most of the time have been "neglected" by their lover. They dont spend a lot of time together, they dont text/call, they dont have sex (yes yes thats very important) and one of them is mean to them/ignores them. This is probably the case for Sarang, since Eungi would go fuck other guys even tho they would hang out, he wouldn't text back etc etc. So Sarang was just very lonely (and maybe hungry for dick, cuz ey sex feels good + brain reacts = happy = want more sex)
Secondly, even though Sarang is a "good sincere" person, he still has emotions. Very strong emotions. After seeing Eungi cheating on him he must have been shocked and he probably bottled his emotions up. Since he was having a hard time already + is a guy so he "cant express his feelings cus that gay" = bottling up everything and eventually exploding. Or in his case, cheat on Eungi. Yes its bad that he did that. BUT with everything that has been going on and also being drunk TWICE, i can understand he did something so stupid.
He DEEPLY regretted it afterwards, which shows he is completely different from Eungi.

I actually think that Jinwoos love for Woojung was deep, but the human brain does weird stuff when a lot happends.
Woojung hasn't been the nicest person for a while to Jinwoo (and Sarang) because of that girl. So that can be a reason why Jinwoo started to dislike Woojung.
After that Jinwoo confessed, but was ofcourse rejected. When something like that happends, your brain automatically marks that moment as "the end" of your feelings because "you finished the job without good result, so now its time to move on to the next task". This is why (most) people can get over rejection very quickly.
Now since Jinwoo knew that Woojung wouldn't accept his confession, he was actually already emotionally prepared for the rejection. Which is probably why he wasn't too upset over it and also why he could get over Woojung so quickly.
Now since both Jinwoo and Sarang were distressed/heartbroken or rejected their brains and hearts were all messed up. When that happend their hearts try to cling to the only thing that can help them feel at least a little bit better. For them it happend to be each other and since they already were sexually attracted to one another, it just happend.

About that girl, i think she probably grew up being spoiled and always getting things she wanted her way. So that why she turned Woojung against Jinwoo etc etc. People do crazy stuff to get what they want cuz they just don't know what to do about their feelings. Emotions can be very overwhelming.

Personally i dont think this story is too dramatic or that the characters are flat or that their behaviour is completely illogical. I think people just refuse to understand characters and their emotions. Its also not like it all happened in a matter of days. And there is probably a lot more going on then the author shows. Its not like manhua authors have a lot of time to draw out all memories, emotions etc. A lot of it got lost in the process. This is also the authors first manhua, so if its not perfect thats fine
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YES SOMEBODY SAID IT FUCK FINALLY THANK YOU

THANK YOU.
Geez, I cannot tell you how annoying it is when people get frustrated over Siwon. It's like, "yeah, I get what you're going through, frustration and whatnot", but Siwon had no homosexual feelings towards Jinha until now. As far as I know, he was straight before Jinha came back into his life. It takes guts and courage to accept newfound feelings of sexuality. Especially, if you've never dabbled in same-sex relationships. Coupled with the fact that Siwon has self-esteem issues, of course he's going to act this way.

Also Korea's still a very homophobic place. Plus think about his terrible dad. It makes perfect sense why he reacted the way he did. If he had been positive after they were exposed, that would have been completely unrealistic. Kudos to mangaka for capturing the true psyche of the MCs.

THANK YOU. this is the entire embodiment of what i've been thinking. this isn't just about "the fuk" it's about the characters growing, and a LOT of ppl here just aren't getting it.

THIS! Thankn you!

100%, Thank you

I was thinking the exact same thing

Kang Jinha knew all that before, yes? He should move to another city & take Siwon with him. After kicking that bastard in the nuts hard enough to end his sex life.

Yeah, Kang Jinha always acts selfishly, and never really thinks about Siwon's perspective. That's how it's been for the entirety of the series.
However, I do feel that he has a point in asking why Siwon would tell him that he likes him if he's not prepared at all to face the consequences. They did keep it a mutual secret for this long, though. It goes to show that you can emphasise with both sides.

That's not true at all! Jinha has been forced to go along with the Chinese guy's plans cuz he's been threatening to expose their photo. He's been dealing with that CUZ of Siwon. Literally, all of Jinha's actions somehow lead back to Siwon and Siwon's feelings. Jinha changed and started to care about Siwon's needs and wants a long time ago. ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

When I said "always", I didn't mean just recently, though. Kang Jinha is hotheaded and has been acting pretty selfishly. They've started to communicate, but in an argument, he usually thinks foremost about how he himself has been the victim. And while he may not be wrong in feeling that, he seldom stops to think about how Siwon is feeling about it all. Siwon, on the other hand, thinks a lot about how Kang Jinha feels.

"Always" makes it sounds like he hasn't changed at all or hasn't made any progress whatsoever. He is not as bad as he was in the beginnning. Siwon doesn't think a lot about how Jinha feels.

No he is indeed not as bad as he used to be, since somewhere in the beginning he forced himself on Siwon multiple times. But Jinha is actually still pretty selfish.
Instead of asking Siwon if he is alright and what they can do or whatever, he just goes ahead and ASSUMES that Siwon is embarrassed of him and their relationship(?).
Instead of thinking of how Siwon must feel he just goes ahead and says some more hurtful stuff that makes Siwon feel bad about how he reacted. Jinha makes it about himself and that is something he has been doing for some time now.
That is actually not how you should act in a relationship. ALWAYS TALK TO EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHAT. And think about how the other person must feel. ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

Ya he was absolute trash in the beginning. Yet I'm still here lmao. I think Jinha was mean about Siwon's reaction, but his assumption was fair. I can see why Jinha would think that and ask/accuse him of being embarrassed. And Siwon who's yelled at Jinha a lot of times and has spoken up before, was lost for words. He didn't and couldn't reply. THESE FOOLS NEVER TALK AND IT DRIVES ME CRAZYYYYYYY. They were apart for so long and still don't say what they actually mean. (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

Side note; I like talking to you, what other bl stories do you read?

I also like talking to you! At the moment im reading over 40 mangas on this side so i cant say all the titles xD The ones im reading right now and that I really like are My Starry Sky, which is also a complex story like a Man like you. Another one that i like is Sign Language cuz its cute and soft. Jazz for two is also nice but it doesn't have alot of chapters yet. Lastly i recommend 19 days, it's more just bromance and funny friend stuff but it will probably develop into romance.(๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Yooooo I'm reading all the same ones you mentioned too!!!!! Ayyyyyy
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