Ms. Dornez

Definitely Lucaon is falling xD
in the next chapter, we gonna see Lucaon really has a need for Kyon (but not only for sex).

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BECAUSE AKKUN IS STUBORN. If noshiro apologized then i am more or less sure that ashita would take it badly and the mangaka was obviously stuck with non's feeling, it felt like while writting she was thinking :"i feel you nocchan . So sorry but ueweeewee sob sob little kokoro want to show acchin LOVE . Eh btw everyone will understand that ya sorry so less talk n more kawai !!"
PLZ NOTE THIS IS JUST MY VIEW

Please note, your view sucks almost as much as this relationship.

damn straight up savage

But the misunderstanding that they had was from the both side what noshiro said ashitaka take it quite diffrently for what he actually meant he nevr wanted to break up with aakun but aakun thought he did not liked the sex so he must have thought of breaking up .so i think it was the problm of misunderstanding from both the sides.ps we all have quite diffrent personalities their relationship was more like open and nonchalnt then shy one so i dont think its bad to ask him about having sex .he did not came to a random person for sex he and akkun had dated before for its was more kike he knew akkun personality from the start .ps if i think noshiro pov he must be thinking of win akkun hearts and i guess he was pretty confident with his techniques as he grew up from that times he did not force him akkun was trying for his ass too noshiro was not the only one its just noshiro win at the end and the main thing is akkun felt pleasure he did not hurt him it wasnt like he didnt prepare him or went in with just like that he did everything that should be done while having anal .and at the end it was akkun who gave his permission when he asked him that he wont let him feel any pain and wont hurt him like berfore .noshiro loved that guy and cared about him it shows .just because he asked to have sex i dont think he is asshole for that

Yes, Akkun gave permission, because the person he loved begged him. But it's not a positive permission where 'yes! I like you, I trust you and I' m sure that it will be good for me'. It is 'I like you and I'll put up with you because you want it even if I'm not happy about it'. It's not a fully consensual act. If Noshiro loves Ashitaka so much why he doesn't respect his feelings? Ashitaka have put up with Noshiro's wishes even if he was scared. But why Noshiro couldn't do the same? I repeat, he could've offered no penetrative sex, or put the question of domination on hold. But only at the last minute he said smth like 'if you still wouldn't like it then we can switch. Just don't leave me'. He had to say from the very beginning 'i don't care who will be top. I just want to love you. We will definitely find a way to make it work, so let me stay by your side'. It's not about Noshiro's straightforwardness it is about disrespecting feelings and mental state of his supposedly precious partner.

They both were fighting for the top.its just noshiro win ashitaka tried to top him to when noshiro was drunk remember but he snaped and that did not happend .noshiro was happy when he heard that he is only one that he had used his ass with which made him happy and i wiill say it again he try to have sex witb him because he was confident with him self that he wont let him feel the pain which he didnt . It was four chapter story so to show their growth it would have taken many chapter than that.he loved him iof it would have hurt ashitaka he would have definately stoped he loved him butnhe was confdent in him self .he want to have sex with him so he begged for it its not like ashitaka surrender himself again they were fighting for being top ahsitaka was doing the same its just noshiro win .i would have been a diffrent story if aahsitaka was traumatic to the point tha he could not take it but that wasnt the case . If noshiro should apologize for doing what he did in the past ashitaka should apologize to for not properply listening to him and breking up with him but i dont think they need that tney are intelligend couple whp understand eachother .i couldhave agrred if ashitaka was a weak willed uke or girly uke that shows in a manga but he was strong willed and pretty much know what and why he is doing things.desrespecting ashitaka's feeling would have been like forcing him against his will but that was totally not the case they want to have sex with eachother thats why they did it wasnt like only noshiro was the one tricking him ashitaka was trying to trick him too but couldnt .and noshiro was gentle as he can be during sex it wasnt forve full sex its not because ashitaka had to put up with noshiro willful ness it was more lime ashitaka was scared but noshiro's words help him to get through with it

I know its your own opinion and you have every right to think.like that but in defence of noshiro i think he was just a person in love and nobdy is perfect he thought he want to have ashitaka no matter what he could jave force himself on ashitaka if he wanted to but he did not do that .he treated him kindly never did ashitaka was rough and forceful yes he could have done it without pnetration but he knew what he was doing he would have stoped if it had hurt ashitaka in any way .he was gentle and and ashitaka did tried to top him too when he was unconcious it was like a compeititon between them whose gonna top.they both are mature people not perfect becsuse they are human i dont think want to have sex with a person is wrong when you are in love and if its about if he didnt let him top,like i said before they both were tying the same thing its just noshiro won akkun gave the persmission because he begged him but he also begged akkun because he loved him he coulld have forced him.if he was an asshole and didnt loved him .i think saying he dont love him enough and he is asshole is a bit unfair he loved him enough to find him after so many years not to force him and abuse him.yes their relationship is not perfect but its beautiful and normal

When didnt he respect his feeling they both are same not only noshiro was trying to trick him ashitaka was trying to trick him too .he was scared but it was nosiro's word that gave him strength too

But sex is not about win/loose. In reality you can't just fuck person because you sure that it'll be good. The person that you want to do should also want to be done by you. And yep I know that fiction is nothing similar with the real life but it never stops anybody) yes it's a short manga, but if Noshiro said smth about 'you can top me if you want, just don't leave me' when they jerked off each other for example, I'm pretty sure that they still will be able to have sex in ch4. It's just mangaka's choice to lead plot this way.

No relationships are same . He didnt wanted to first but then noshiro asked him and he was alright with him and it felt good .and yeas some people have that confidence in real life to that it will be okay i will handle you with care i will not let you be hurt.i am sure if it had hurt noshiro would have stoped because he wasnt seem like an abusive partner he hamdled him with care and this manga was meant to be light hearted and fluff where the love agin started with bit of a competion and then they finally sorted things out .and i dont think their realtaionship have any problm or noshiro is wrong but if that is the case then the fault came from both side noshiro wasnt the only one who wanted to top him akun wanted to do it to he even tried to top him when he was unconcious .so about the matter of winning and losing they both were in it not only noshiro is to blame then

I don't doubt that he loves him. He just doesn't want to find a compromise or his pride doesn't let him to seriously considering bottoming. Either way his love lost to his selfishness. Yes, Ashitaka wanted to be top too. But Ashitaka agreed to put up with Noshiro's wishes. Noshiro didn't lose in anything. May be I'm just too old for this manga cause I really think that if my partner doesn't want to compromise then this relationship doesn't worth it.

ashitaka was totally fine with bottoming until his first bad experience, the only reason why he was out for topping was his trauma, that noshiro could only undo with showing him that it doesn't have to feel so bad.

also saying that someone doesn't want to bottom because there are too prideful sounds heternormative as fuck, don't you think? like the bottom is somehow in a worse position? only in yaoi.

apart from the fact that there is nothing wrong with not wanting to bottom (ppl always lool down on the tops who don't want to do it, like hell, if my boyfriend would break up with me because i don't agree with being fucked in the ass, whose the selfish one here)

but it's a different situation for ashitaka, like i said, ashitaka only was against it because of his bad past experience. if a woman had a painful first time i'm pretty sure noone would question the love of the guy wanting to show her the pleasures sex again.

i agree with the non penetrating part but it's a short comedy one-shot and agreeing to non-penetrating sex (apart from destroying the competition) would probably take months or years of going out until ashitaka may overcome his trauma. shocktherapy was much better suited here.

Preach i wish i could have said it better like this

I dont think he was selfish here .ashitaka was bottom to begin with he was just scared because of the trauma which could have been sorted out like the mangaka had done because it would have taken much time for all the emotion and love the author had tried to sort out it in four chapter which i think for four chapter it was a nice and soothing ending noshiro didnt loose anything o dont get your point what should he loose?compromise are important in relationship but so.what if ashitaka has compromised compromise come from both side and relationships work with understanding.they both were selfish for their wishes but as i said previously it was non's words that gave him strength .if we always think.in a realtionship.that the other should compromise how will the relation works tha one needs to compromise and this time it was ashitaka but that doesnt make noshiro selfish .he just wanted to show him that it wil not hurt and i will not let you hurt which he did it worked out perfectly .it was non who tried to persuade ashitaka if he would have been selfish he had nt done that

No, being top or bottom isn't something good or bad. This desision should be based on yours wishes and your readiness and yes you should take into account your partner's wishes too. That's why I said about compromise. Both should find a way to put up with others wishes without emotional sacrificing. It can't be smth like 'I agreed only because of you'. They both should wish for it. And no, I don't think that some compromise agreement would change number of chapters. Ashitaka loves him too and anyway mangaka doesn't have to show all steps, only emotionally significant. Afterall they could have fight about who will be top first, for example. If author needs a competition. And if it's totally okay for you that Noshiro doesn't want to be bottom no matter what, you should agree that it's okay for Ashitaka too. It doesn't matter that he agreed 3 years ago and that he has a trauma. He should want to get rid of his trauma. He should be ready for it. He should want it now. Ashitaka wasn't ready. He agreed only because Noshiro was pushing him. The right consequence would be 'please, let me make love to you? - okay, I'm nervous but I want you to do it. Please show me your love and make me feel good, I trust you. I believe that you can make me feel good - sex'. (I'm really bad at sweet talking, sorry). Ashitaka wasn't ready.

if you find it that ashitaka wasn't ready that's fine, but i don't feel like that, nor do i think that's what the author wanted. so i think you should consider that you judge this all on your own opinion about ashitaka's emotional stability, which is fine, but that this is not a fact and other readers may disagree with that, because they judge differently.

we all need a push sometimes, to do something we know is right but can't bring ourselves to do it alone. we all have to grasp second chances, because who knows if we will get a third. i don't see it like ashitaka waa 'forced' or 'manipulated' to do it. he clearly lived without ever bottoming all those years and he didn't appear so weak that he would do this against his innerself.

to me, i think he knew he wanted and had to do it, but being tsundere in such a situation is completely normal, it's far from reality if you expect ppl to say stuff like 'yeah, i'm ready, let's do this'. most people react reluctant, unsure, dishonest. but that doesn't mean they are forced. it fits his personality to react that way.

especially when it's about something you had a bad experience with. i know a woman that doesn't use the highway because she nearly had an accident there when she was pregnant over 25 years ago. if she would have worked on that trauma, every therapist would've told her to face her fears etc.

even when we feel unsure about it, sometimes we have to do it, and we know it, doesn't mean we have to love facing it.

First of all sex was what tbey both wanted to do it noshiro didnt push him for that and if its about being top or bottom being top was what they both wanted why is it that only noshiro.is the selfish one and noshrio didnt push himself he made a request he said i will fill your mind witj ecstasy ,i wont do anything you dont lime i wont let you feel pain and if that happens hurt me kick me top mw if you want but dont even leave my side .its not pushing their selve on the partner it was something that came from his heart that he wanted he was asking for atlest give it a try .which akkun agrreed to and noshiro remain to his words .noshiro did asked him yeah akkun did nt agrred the way you wnated to but he agrred and felt good where does noshiro selfish came from just because he wanted to be a top and was saying all the time and was persuading him well akkun wanted to top too then why is tbe noshiro is the only one who.is selfish if thats the case .he had a trauma but get through with it amd tha because of noshiro and felt really good .

And all of this would be perfect if Noshiro said this words before they went to the bed and he already started dominating. And if Ashitaka agreed also before bed. That's how responsible adults do)

they were freakin horny started from the bar to the house . and ashitaka was thinking of dominating too but noshiro get his chance first . and i think thats totally fine it doesnt matter where he agreed the main thing is he agreed not because he was pushing him because noshiro made a heart warming cnfession . and it felt good .may be they are irresponsible well any one can be in their relationship thats what makes it beautiful to me . its okay you wanted something else and that didnt happend you wanted him to convey his emotion and i think he did but he did not do it the way you wanted it to but it was perfect for me so we have diffrent opinion and its okay but i dont think noshiro is a asshole and selfish

Ashitaka obviously agreed only because of Noshiro. And mangaka highlited it pretty well. Of course she did it to show feelings between them but you can't use smbd's love to pushes your wishes. It was very easy to make Noshiro said these words before sex. It was very easy to show Ashitaka's acceptance. It has nothing to do with being tsundere. He had been tsundere all 4 chapters. Noshiro isn't a therapist. He can't decide what's better for Ashitaka (Truthfully even therapist can't do that, he only helps to make a decision. And it is yours decision. Therapist may not like it). In real life if your partner clearly says 'I don't want it' you say 'okay let's find another way'. Even if you think that may be he actually doesn't against it. You need positive yes. That's what consensual means. Otherwise you risk to become a criminal one day.

omg what are you saying now where is being criminal even came from . so what if ashitaka agreed because of noshiro its ikay isn't it he asked him so he said okay and mam its okay to wish something from the person you love and are in love with because he is your partner you can be anything with him you can be happy ,you can share anything with them ,you can even be selfish because he is your partner and you have evry right to wish something from them and now you are changing thw whole story the mangaka has written story in her way and its beautiful the way it is . noshiro isnt therapist but it wasnt something so psychotic to not to understand it was the matter of making ashitaka feel good or not which sure was in both of their hand. you ar saYING LIKE NOSHIRO had forced him which he had not he said i dont want it but he didnt say but i want it and i will have it at any cost he said let me do it let me make you feel good i won't do anything to hurts you wasn't that enough . they trust each other ashitaka trusted him so he agreed he wasnt some cliche uke he is strong headed uke who know what he is doing . he gave his consent in no way some one can become criminal like that

From the point of view of psychology and jurisprudence it's very important.
And the "heartwarming confession" is a part of pushing actually. 'I love you and I want you to fuck me' and 'okay, you can fuck me, because I like you but I'm not happy about me being fucked'. Feel the difference

it wasnt like i like you but i dont want you to fuck me it was more like i like you and i want you to fuck me but i am scared it will hurt but still i am trusting you because you are my partner . now feel the difference . more then not want to do it it was more like he wanted to but he was scared of getting hurt but as i am saying again and again noshiro had already said that he wont do anything to hurt him and he didnt

they both loved eachother one was compromising and the other was making sure so he wont feel pain and trying to give him pleasure. its normal in a relation ship more then pushing him self he was aking him there is diffrence

It's okay to wish smth from your partner, but it's only up to him to decide whether he wants it himself or not. Noshiro should've waited until Ashitaka would be ready. Really ready. That's all. Nobody can decide what's better for other person. I wrote it as a reply to 'everybody needs some pushes sometimes' and to sentence that it was okay to push cause Ashitaka needed to get ride of trauma. Yes, Ashitaka needed. But only he can choose the right time for it. Not Noshiro. If you start to decide what's better for your partner by yourself it leads to crime. That's what I meant. I'm not looking at Noshiro as a criminal. Of course not. He just didn't fully respect Ashitaka's wishes and didn't try to compromise. It makes him selfish but not criminal.

but ashitaka wanted it thats why he agreed may be it hasnt been properly conveyed in words for you but he did . he asked him he gave him his yes what else you wanted you know it was only four chapter right he should have wiated then it wouldhave took more then that where story was meant to be short and for a short story . noshiro did asked him and akkkun did agree but to you his ask was 'pushing' and akkun yes was only because off noshiro but he did not wanted it where i already have said that he wanted it but he was just afraid. ye only ashitka can choose the right time for it and he did thats why he agreed in a first place he chose it.we can ask the person but its up to him to decide and aakun did decide how does that make noshiro selfish .ps we can decide what better for your partner nut its up to him to choose deciding for the partner doesnt make some one criminal forcing him make a person criminal.he did asked ashitaka and he was willing to compromise if akun didnt have liked it he just wanted a chance to prove himself which is not selfish if he woulhave forced him that would have been selfish

And during sex he was thinking 'shit it'll be hurt like hell'. It's not trusting. And it much more like 'I don't want it because I know it will hurt' (even if he knows that it's not true). Yes Noshiro was gentle and made him feel good, but he should've rip of this fear from Ashitaka's head first. And it's not only about this moment with handcuffs. Noshiro had 4 chapters to work with this situation but all that he did was chasing after Ashitaka's ass. (Okay, 2 chapters. 1 - for introducing, 4 - final sex. 2 chapters it's quite a lot)

yes during sex he was thinking it will hurt ofcourse he was scared it was natural . sometiem even if your hurt wnated to do something yor head get scared .that doesnt mean he dont want to do it . he dud rip off his fear niot everyone can wor the you wnat them too just because he didnt do it just lie youu wanted to does not make him selfish he did it in his own way and guees what that felt good . you only saw him chasing his ass didnt saw his love how much he cared when he caught cold he was asking him for sex whats is wrong in that he can ask him its wasnt lie he was trying to rape him mangaka did what she wanted to and i approve of that and liked it its okay now you didnt liked it that is fine its your choice but evry relation have there own taste and their own way of doing things just because we are not aprroved of something tha doesnt make other selfish or asshole .

this is going to be my last reply really, because i'm getting a strong sjw vibe here.

since you mostly just answer the same again and again anyway: no.

have you ever been to therapy? have you ever talked to traumatized people? if you wait for them to make the step when they want, when they are ready, it never happens or when it's already to late. that's how humans are. why are people only joining the aa after they have done shit (lost their job, beaten their partner) etc.? we don't accept help easily, that doesn't mean we don't need it.

shocktherapy is exactly that. your therapist deciding what you are ready for. sure if you're stubborn and don't want help it won't work, but if you do it does.

N. isn't a therapist but his lover, he isn't forcing him so he doesn't make a decision for him either. at the end it's ashitaka who can say no. but he doesn't.

i'm not sure if you ever had a relationship or sex before. no one goes spouting such sentences. when i make out with you, when i lay in bed with you and don't say no, it's consensual. do you want people to write contracts? when i have a headache but my boyfriend seduces me and i fall for it, that's consensual. a smile can manipulate someone, doesn't mean you've to fuck with them.

relationships aren't happy healthy social and morally perfect, doesn't mean they are bad.

Because this is fiction world bro......because if things were so straightforward and easily solved there would be no need for mangas like this

For fuck's sake why so serious damn bitches? It's not like your opinion will change the story geeeeeezzz

wow so many dislike

Don't know what to say so many argue in here (〜￣△￣)〜

We're talking about a tsun tsun here ! Go check what nishiro said to him before penetrating he didn't shove his dick in akkun's ass he really said some good shit there that even the stubborn top willed to buttom even tho he thought it's gonna hurt so bad . And he kept chasing after him even when being rejected and ignored and yelled at by ashitaka he tried to explain what he said back then and obviously the sex thing wasn't his fault they were both new to that world and akkun didn't even tell him to stop and that it hurt. It was a misunderstanding that drove them apart for 3 years and i think the way nishiro is persuading ashitaka is overly cute they are hopelessly drawn to each other despite how stubborn they might be about a mere sex role (since it doesn't hurt anymore) and that's what attracts me about this manga their urge to be together surpassing their own will .