btw lots of u dunno how to separate fiction from reality and it rly shows in the comments lmao ***edit: ppl mad in the comments im ctfu if the shoe fits so wear it ig but i aint gonna let ppl tell me what to like and not like grow tf up this is a fictional work
Oh yeah, same old argument. Do you even understand the difference between fiction and reality? Because romanticizing and excusing problematic tropes in fiction is exactly how we ended up with years of toxic yaoi stories normalizing sexual assault and abusive relationships.
Oh yeah, same old argument. Do you even understand the difference between fiction and reality? Because romanticizing and excusing problematic tropes in fiction is exactly how we ended up with years of toxic yao... Jxxxx
Oh yeah, same old argument. Do you even understand the difference between fiction and reality? Because romanticizing and excusing problematic tropes in fiction is exactly how we ended up with years of toxic yao... Jxxxx
Oh my god bru, ts literally how rape culture flourishes when you start with normalizing fiction. Yes enjoy it. We don't care but don't go around normalizing and targetting other groups for not liking what you do. It's NORMAL to feel off when some people ce across SA and it's normal for you to enjoy it.
all these replies can suck my nonexistent dicc ..like literally nobody invited yall here esp if u dont like this genre ...yall dont like this sht then why yall here tho??? hmmmm hypocrites
Oh yeah, same old argument. Do you even understand the difference between fiction and reality? Because romanticizing and excusing problematic tropes in fiction is exactly how we ended up with years of toxic yao... Jxxxx
literally this is for the plot ??? like imagine if all yaoi themes become yalls purists preference??? this is why this is work of fiction and if u dont like it you are free to look away and not interact with this type of themes brrt brrt
There is a difference between tastefully depicting a toxic relationship and glamorizing it to cater to a specific audience Qqqq
there's also a difference about yucking someone's yum esp if its just a work of fiction and a genre thats been existing since before you were even born and someone who's just being a miserable consumer yuhhhh
all these replies can suck my nonexistent dicc ..like literally nobody invited yall here esp if u dont like this genre ...yall dont like this sht then why yall here tho??? hmmmm hypocrites ajjuicyenthusiast
The funniest part is how you keep calling everyone else hypocrites while recycling the exact same three arguments every single person before you has already used. (￣ε(￣)Σ Do y’all share a script or something? Because the lack of original thought is genuinely fascinating. Not one actual counterargument, just “it's fiction, don't read it” on repeat like a broken record. If you're going to lecture people about reality checks, at least come up with an argument of your own first.
there's also a difference about yucking someone's yum esp if its just a work of fiction and a genre thats been existing since before you were even born and someone who's just being a miserable consumer yuhhhh ajjuicyenthusiast
I swear, I can predict your entire argument before you even finish typing. “If you don't like it, don't read it,” “it's just fiction,” “it's a genre,” and the good old murder analogy. Y'all have been recycling these same three talking points for YEARS, and somehow still think you're eating every time you repeat them. I've seen this exact conversation play out a hundred times, and not once have y'all managed to come up with something original. At this point, I'm convinced you share a script because how are so many people having the exact same argument and still acting like they've made some groundbreaking point? (づ￣ ³￣)づ
I swear, I can predict your entire argument before you even finish typing. “If you don't like it, don't read it,” “it's just fiction,” “it's a genre,” and the good old murder analogy. Y'all have bee... Jxxxx
thats exactly it, nobody needs to construct some elaborate argument to enjoy something. like it really is just as simple as people have the freedom to create and share whatever they want, its abhorrent to you because you arent the target audience
Oh yeah, same old argument. Do you even understand the difference between fiction and reality? Because romanticizing and excusing problematic tropes in fiction is exactly how we ended up with years of toxic yao... Jxxxx
"we" is the wrong pronoun. theres so much dubcon/noncon bl because mangakas cater to japanese fujoshi audiences, and these are tropes that are still popular with them. you're never going to stop seeing this, they dont care about the opinions of puritanical westerners lol
"we" is the wrong pronoun. theres so much dubcon/noncon bl because mangakas cater to japanese fujoshi audiences, and these are tropes that are still popular with them. you're never going to stop seeing this, th... lee
And who the fuck said I'm a Westerner? ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Why do you people automatically lump everyone who criticizes these tropes into the same category of “puritanical Westerners”? I'm Asian, by the way. Do you people genuinely not understand that readers can come from different backgrounds and still have the same criticism? Or do you just assume everyone who disagrees with you belongs to some imaginary group you can conveniently dismiss?
And honestly, it's hilarious how you people keep talking about separating fiction from reality while completely avoiding the actual criticism being made. Nobody said these themes shouldn't exist in fiction. The point is that when someone criticizes a SPECIFIC writing decision or questions why an ML's sexually abusive behaviour is being romanticized, suddenly none of you can come up with an actual counterargument. Instead, you resort to calling people puritans, telling them to stop reading, or claiming they're not the target audience. Is that genuinely the best you can do?
And let's talk about that “if you don't like it, don't read it” argument for a second. If you're allowed to enjoy a work of fiction without being judged for it, other people are equally allowed to criticize it without being told to shut up. The same logic you're applying to readers applies to you, too. If you don't like someone's criticism, you can scroll past it. Nobody is forcing you to engage with comments you disagree with, yet here you are, repeatedly replying to people whose opinions apparently bother you so much.
See how that works? Your argument goes both ways.
You don't get to demand that everyone respect your right to enjoy fictional content while simultaneously acting as though anyone who criticizes that content is an idiot who doesn't understand fiction. You're entitled to your preferences, not to immunity from criticism.
So, by all means, enjoy whatever the fuck you want. Nobody is stopping you. But if someone points out a specific problem with the writing, either address that criticism or move on. Stop hiding behind the same recycled arguments and pretending you've won a debate just because you've called someone a puritan.
And if your only response to criticism is “it's fiction, don't read it,” then don't be surprised when people point out that “it's fiction, don't comment on it” applies to you, too.
And who the fuck said I'm a Westerner? ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Why do you people automatically lump everyone who criticizes these tropes into the same category of “puritanical Westerners”? I'm Asian, by the way.... Jxxxx
the argument people are making is that criticism is entirely irrelevant in a piece of entertainment. "romanticization" of fictional abuse isnt actually anything at all, there is no argument to make to 'defend' or shun it. if there were then we would also have to consider if things like consensual bdsm (irl) and other such fetishes are ethical or not. i dont mind back and forths, but its just this 'anti-fiction' stance eats at its own tail and doesnt really need to be argued
The funniest part is how you keep calling everyone else hypocrites while recycling the exact same three arguments every single person before you has already used. (￣ε(￣)Σ Do y’all share a script or so... Jxxxx
what am I supposed to say dude? like are the authors or artists responsible for your distaste or what? you are free to leave this page and make your own comment on how dissatisfied you are with the theme and yet you come here under my comments LMAO
I swear, I can predict your entire argument before you even finish typing. “If you don't like it, don't read it,” “it's just fiction,” “it's a genre,” and the good old murder analogy. Y'all have bee... Jxxxx
blah blah blah stip writing smth bruh..its very simple you like it then read it if you dont get tf outta here
read what you wanna read but getting defensive over people not wanting to read stories where theres literal rape is just hypocritical. why dont u listen to ur own advice and let ppl decide what they like and dislike
the argument people are making is that criticism is entirely irrelevant in a piece of entertainment. "romanticization" of fictional abuse isnt actually anything at all, there is no argument to make to 'defend' ... lee
Comparing consensual BDSM to sexual abuse is certainly a choice, considering CONSENT is literally the fucking distinction. And apparently, “it's fiction” has now become a magical get-out-of-criticism-free card. How convenient! Nobody said authors can't write problematic shit. We're questioning the writing, not demanding a book burning. If your precious artistic freedom falls apart the moment someone criticizes the art, maybe you don't understand artistic freedom as well as you think you do, babe.
what am I supposed to say dude? like are the authors or artists responsible for your distaste or what? you are free to leave this page and make your own comment on how dissatisfied you are with the theme and y... ajjuicyenthusiast
All that yapping just to announce you have no counterargument in 4K. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
read what you wanna read but getting defensive over people not wanting to read stories where theres literal rape is just hypocritical. why dont u listen to ur own advice and let ppl decide what they like and di... ngewe dahsyat
nigga the only one getting defensive here is u typing a whole bunch of essay about your own takes like literally no one is forcing u to read this manhua atst you have the option to let others who enjoy this work read this in peace instead of policing us
nigga the only one getting defensive here is u typing a whole bunch of essay about your own takes like literally no one is forcing u to read this manhua atst you have the option to let others who enjoy this wor... ajjuicyenthusiast
the whole reason u made this comment is because u got pissy at ppl for not liking rape in this fic (not even insulting YOU specifically btw theyre just expressing their dissapointment) ur literally the one who started policing us on what we dislike talking abt some "separate reality from fiction" bullshit.
nigga the only one getting defensive here is u typing a whole bunch of essay about your own takes like literally no one is forcing u to read this manhua atst you have the option to let others who enjoy this wor... ajjuicyenthusiast
since you lack the skills to read my longer comments, ill make it shorter for you. dont start shit you cant finish then back away with the "let ppl enjoy what they want"
nigga the only one getting defensive here is u typing a whole bunch of essay about your own takes like literally no one is forcing u to read this manhua atst you have the option to let others who enjoy this wor... ajjuicyenthusiast
Bitch, the irony of accusing me of moral policing while telling me what I can and cannot criticize is genuinely fucking hilarious. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ If you're allowed to express your opinion, I'm allowed to disagree with it. That's how comment sections work, sweetheart. You don't get to post your opinion publicly and then throw a tantrum when someone writes a response longer than your attention span. If you can't handle people challenging your takes, maybe the comments section isn't your safe space after all.
since you lack the skills to read my longer comments, ill make it shorter for you. dont start shit you cant finish then back away with the "let ppl enjoy what they want" ngewe dahsyat
Honestly, it's not even worth replying to these people anymore. They lack the reading comprehension to understand the actual criticism, and when they can't counter the argument, they resort to “TL;DR,” “stop moral policing,” and “let us enjoy what we want.” (〜￣△￣)〜 Like, nobody is stopping you from enjoying the manhua! We're criticising the writing, not dictating your reading preferences. But apparently, the moment someone challenges their opinion, they start acting like they're being personally attacked. You can't have a discussion with people who mistake every disagreement for moral policing. At this point, it's not even worth wasting my time explaining something to people who have already decided not to understand it.
nigga the only one getting defensive here is u typing a whole bunch of essay about your own takes like literally no one is forcing u to read this manhua atst you have the option to let others who enjoy this wor... ajjuicyenthusiast
Bla bla bla, anyway, I'm done entertaining this nonsense. Bye-bye, babe. Stay pressed!
Honestly, it's not even worth replying to these people anymore. They lack the reading comprehension to understand the actual criticism, and when they can't counter the argument, they resort to “TL;DR,” “s... Jxxxx
i agree with all ur points! i usually never bother with these kinds of comments (or stories containing rape) but i cant accept if we arent even allowed to criticize a story or being told to just "get over it" especially when this story threw a bomb at us without any warning whatsoever.
btw lots of u dunno how to separate fiction from reality and it rly shows in the comments lmao
***edit: ppl mad in the comments im ctfu if the shoe fits so wear it ig but i aint gonna let ppl tell me what to like and not like grow tf up this is a fictional work
Oh yeah, same old argument. Do you even understand the difference between fiction and reality? Because romanticizing and excusing problematic tropes in fiction is exactly how we ended up with years of toxic yaoi stories normalizing sexual assault and abusive relationships.
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There is a difference between tastefully depicting a toxic relationship and glamorizing it to cater to a specific audience
Oh my god bru, ts literally how rape culture flourishes when you start with normalizing fiction. Yes enjoy it. We don't care but don't go around normalizing and targetting other groups for not liking what you do. It's NORMAL to feel off when some people ce across SA and it's normal for you to enjoy it.
all these replies can suck my nonexistent dicc ..like literally nobody invited yall here esp if u dont like this genre ...yall dont like this sht then why yall here tho??? hmmmm hypocrites
literally this is for the plot ??? like imagine if all yaoi themes become yalls purists preference??? this is why this is work of fiction and if u dont like it you are free to look away and not interact with this type of themes brrt brrt
there's also a difference about yucking someone's yum esp if its just a work of fiction and a genre thats been existing since before you were even born and someone who's just being a miserable consumer yuhhhh
then both of u go write and create your own yaoi themed manga dawg stop policing ppl for simply enjoying these contents for free
you’re so embarrassing, please just stop replying
The funniest part is how you keep calling everyone else hypocrites while recycling the exact same three arguments every single person before you has already used. (￣ε(￣)Σ Do y’all share a script or something? Because the lack of original thought is genuinely fascinating. Not one actual counterargument, just “it's fiction, don't read it” on repeat like a broken record. If you're going to lecture people about reality checks, at least come up with an argument of your own first.
Not a single original counter argument
I swear, I can predict your entire argument before you even finish typing. “If you don't like it, don't read it,” “it's just fiction,” “it's a genre,” and the good old murder analogy. Y'all have been recycling these same three talking points for YEARS, and somehow still think you're eating every time you repeat them. I've seen this exact conversation play out a hundred times, and not once have y'all managed to come up with something original. At this point, I'm convinced you share a script because how are so many people having the exact same argument and still acting like they've made some groundbreaking point? (づ￣ ³￣)づ
thats exactly it, nobody needs to construct some elaborate argument to enjoy something. like it really is just as simple as people have the freedom to create and share whatever they want, its abhorrent to you because you arent the target audience
"we" is the wrong pronoun. theres so much dubcon/noncon bl because mangakas cater to japanese fujoshi audiences, and these are tropes that are still popular with them. you're never going to stop seeing this, they dont care about the opinions of puritanical westerners lol
And who the fuck said I'm a Westerner? ╮(￣▽￣)╭ Why do you people automatically lump everyone who criticizes these tropes into the same category of “puritanical Westerners”? I'm Asian, by the way. Do you people genuinely not understand that readers can come from different backgrounds and still have the same criticism? Or do you just assume everyone who disagrees with you belongs to some imaginary group you can conveniently dismiss?
And honestly, it's hilarious how you people keep talking about separating fiction from reality while completely avoiding the actual criticism being made. Nobody said these themes shouldn't exist in fiction. The point is that when someone criticizes a SPECIFIC writing decision or questions why an ML's sexually abusive behaviour is being romanticized, suddenly none of you can come up with an actual counterargument. Instead, you resort to calling people puritans, telling them to stop reading, or claiming they're not the target audience. Is that genuinely the best you can do?
And let's talk about that “if you don't like it, don't read it” argument for a second. If you're allowed to enjoy a work of fiction without being judged for it, other people are equally allowed to criticize it without being told to shut up. The same logic you're applying to readers applies to you, too. If you don't like someone's criticism, you can scroll past it. Nobody is forcing you to engage with comments you disagree with, yet here you are, repeatedly replying to people whose opinions apparently bother you so much.
See how that works? Your argument goes both ways.
You don't get to demand that everyone respect your right to enjoy fictional content while simultaneously acting as though anyone who criticizes that content is an idiot who doesn't understand fiction. You're entitled to your preferences, not to immunity from criticism.
So, by all means, enjoy whatever the fuck you want. Nobody is stopping you. But if someone points out a specific problem with the writing, either address that criticism or move on. Stop hiding behind the same recycled arguments and pretending you've won a debate just because you've called someone a puritan.
And if your only response to criticism is “it's fiction, don't read it,” then don't be surprised when people point out that “it's fiction, don't comment on it” applies to you, too.
the argument people are making is that criticism is entirely irrelevant in a piece of entertainment. "romanticization" of fictional abuse isnt actually anything at all, there is no argument to make to 'defend' or shun it. if there were then we would also have to consider if things like consensual bdsm (irl) and other such fetishes are ethical or not. i dont mind back and forths, but its just this 'anti-fiction' stance eats at its own tail and doesnt really need to be argued
so embarrassing for ppl like u to police ppl on fictional tropes? gurl gtfo here like why are u even here
what am I supposed to say dude? like are the authors or artists responsible for your distaste or what? you are free to leave this page and make your own comment on how dissatisfied you are with the theme and yet you come here under my comments LMAO
blah blah blah stip writing smth bruh..its very simple you like it then read it if you dont get tf outta here
read what you wanna read but getting defensive over people not wanting to read stories where theres literal rape is just hypocritical. why dont u listen to ur own advice and let ppl decide what they like and dislike
Comparing consensual BDSM to sexual abuse is certainly a choice, considering CONSENT is literally the fucking distinction. And apparently, “it's fiction” has now become a magical get-out-of-criticism-free card. How convenient! Nobody said authors can't write problematic shit. We're questioning the writing, not demanding a book burning. If your precious artistic freedom falls apart the moment someone criticizes the art, maybe you don't understand artistic freedom as well as you think you do, babe.
See bitch u don't have a fucking reading comprehension ╮(￣▽￣)╭
All that yapping just to announce you have no counterargument in 4K. ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
then why tf are u here lmao
nigga the only one getting defensive here is u typing a whole bunch of essay about your own takes like literally no one is forcing u to read this manhua atst you have the option to let others who enjoy this work read this in peace instead of policing us
the whole reason u made this comment is because u got pissy at ppl for not liking rape in this fic (not even insulting YOU specifically btw theyre just expressing their dissapointment) ur literally the one who started policing us on what we dislike talking abt some "separate reality from fiction" bullshit.
since you lack the skills to read my longer comments, ill make it shorter for you. dont start shit you cant finish then back away with the "let ppl enjoy what they want"
Bitch, the irony of accusing me of moral policing while telling me what I can and cannot criticize is genuinely fucking hilarious. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ If you're allowed to express your opinion, I'm allowed to disagree with it. That's how comment sections work, sweetheart. You don't get to post your opinion publicly and then throw a tantrum when someone writes a response longer than your attention span. If you can't handle people challenging your takes, maybe the comments section isn't your safe space after all.
Honestly, it's not even worth replying to these people anymore. They lack the reading comprehension to understand the actual criticism, and when they can't counter the argument, they resort to “TL;DR,” “stop moral policing,” and “let us enjoy what we want.” (〜￣△￣)〜 Like, nobody is stopping you from enjoying the manhua! We're criticising the writing, not dictating your reading preferences. But apparently, the moment someone challenges their opinion, they start acting like they're being personally attacked. You can't have a discussion with people who mistake every disagreement for moral policing. At this point, it's not even worth wasting my time explaining something to people who have already decided not to understand it.
Bla bla bla, anyway, I'm done entertaining this nonsense. Bye-bye, babe. Stay pressed!
i agree with all ur points! i usually never bother with these kinds of comments (or stories containing rape) but i cant accept if we arent even allowed to criticize a story or being told to just "get over it" especially when this story threw a bomb at us without any warning whatsoever.
hope u dont mind me following u, ur replies are too iconic i fear LOL
U cannnnn absolutely ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~