I remember reading this years ago …Yiyeon just looked SO fine in every panel, I have so many screenshots of his dumbass face. But yeah the story’s just stinking bs
This isn’t about this specific story but like I’m so sick and tired of this narrative that once they’ve had sex, they need to stick to those positions forever. Why is the top always so adamant on staying on top?? I get that some relationships work that way but all these authors keep teasing verse couples when in the end they never go through with it and resort to the same predictable nonsense again with the fixed dynamics like it gets kind of weird when the tops are so against the idea of bottoming as if it’s something shameful and impossible. But the bottoms in these stories are often willing to top as it’s not “degrading” for them to do it. Obviously preferences exist but when it happens over and over again it’s as if in this genre bottoming is something a “real top” should never do which is… really odd. Why can a bottom’s desire to top be ignored and dismissed while the top’s discomfort with bottoming has to be respected
Bcs real top wouldn't do it lmao Like you literally answered yourself
I understand your point. In this case, the ML is proven to be an exclusive top, so by definition he wouldn’t bottom. I’m not questioning that, obviously that’s the case
I also didn’t word my original argument correctly when I said “it’s as if a ‘real top’ can never bottom.” What I meant is that a lot of BL authors tend to write their tops as exclusive tops, and I find that odd because it’s so common. It feels like bottoming is something that would diminish their identity as a top, so it almost isn’t allowed yk? Whereas if the bottom tops someone, their identity isn’t challenged the same way at all
My question was about the whole BL genre, why are the top/bottom roles treated as permanent identities and not sexual preferences? Why tease a different dynamic if the story will never head that way? I just don’t understand why it’s such a rigid rule. Ig in the end it’s just a matter of different tastes, I’m just really curious as to why. (not trying to argue btw you don’t need to reply)
in the bl genre its dominated by asian artists and authors who don't necessarily have the same type of culture that we have in western culture. switching is basically a myth over there (at least in my experience), since there is still a lot of deep-rooted misogyny and toxic masculinity in the bl genre. honestly I'd love for more bl authors to dabble in switching but it probably won't happen for the near future
this is why i loveee bottoms who used to be tops before (seo an my goat)
You’re right, I agree it has to do with those, and also the expectations of the main audience that’s used to and prefers this content.
With that said, I kind of feel like there’s a shift in the way tops and bottoms are written nowadays… I feel as though many authors are aware of this dynamic now and want to soften it by, for example, making the “top” younger and more vulnerable and emotional, letting “bottoms” be more assertive and dominant, and also stuff like almost-switching to show that a switch is a possibility even if it isn’t in the story, just to show that they are emotionally equal. But even with those changes they won’t ever challenge the actual roles because of the reasons you mentioned, it’s just part of the genre at this point. But I’m not sure about that, it’s just an observation. So although I wanted to disagree with the point that we shouldn’t get our hopes up switching, I don’t think I can..
By the way, Dark Heaven is a great switch rec if you haven’t read it before :))
DARK HEAVEN MENTIONEDD ITS ONE OF MY FAVS
Yess I love seo-an too!! But a bottom who used to top doesn't really challenge the traditional dynamic since they're still a permanent bottom afterwards, that’s why there’s still some stories with that trope. I was more talking about why we’re so much more comfortable with that than with a top who sometimes bottoms or a couple that switches. I can’t even name a top that’s bottomed before
PEAK TASTE !!
yeaa truee !!! there are soo many bl couples that are verse coded but the authors always chicken out who gafs !!!! in fact a LOT of gay men are verse
Well, on every gay dating app the first thing you have is whether you are bottom/top/verse - so their identity "based" on their position corresponds to reality lmao Like idk, maybe as a woman you perceive it differently, bcs a woman generally empathizes with a bottom more than a man, maybeu? From my perspective I perceive it in such a way that I would never be a bottom in my life and the very idea seems disgusting to me, that's why I like when I have tops with, yk, firm principles Like when they switch I'm like adios amigos muchahos, nothing for me
+ ofc 95% of yaoi/bl are written by women for women and therefore maintain hetero principles of relationships (not many women are into pegging, yk). But idk, I always hear everywhere that every gay irl is basically a switch, but everyone I've ever met had a clearly defined position and refused to change it:dd Maybe post-communist gays still have fixed roles and switching is a western agenda lmao
thats just not true. lots of gay men have tried both positions
thank you for the rec! cheers to more switches in the future
guys can someone pls tell me what makes this so good bc I feel like I’m missing out on gold but I just don’t get it
its not as good as people make it out to be, a pretty generic high school manhwa tbh.. its just the art style that makes it somewhat "special"
It has nice pacing and pulls at ur heartstrings genuienly cryign rn
I low-key just really like the art style,the characters especially the way the ml acts,and idk I like how the author showed that like the antagonists are just kids who don't really know what they are getting themselves into and ending up regretting doing shady asf stuff,I also find the mc adorable he reminds me of when I was in elementary- middle school he has a tendency to try and act like he's in a dramatic novel or something and other characters actually call him out on it
Who cares if he still loves you?? you have an obligation to tell him it’s his kid
all this for him to probably reveal it at random anyway and move on in less than 0.3 nanoseconds
This is SO cute. At first I thought it was gonna be the typical psycho ml and brainless mc, but it isn’t like that at all. I love the humor, love the art, love the characters. It’s kind of a light comedy, but with some dark elements. Really curious to see how it’ll unfold !!
“Can you please stop” and then he continues to ram his dick up his ass. I really liked them but the fact that this happens in every single manhwa and is treated normal these days is killing meee
When heejae was uncomfortable with jin’s request, he got jin to give in and nothing was said about that. Then when jin tries to take control and goes at his own pace heejae takes over without warning. And now that jin explicitly tells him to stop, he apologizes but goes on anyway. I’m so sick of this always happening, the bottom’s consent doesn’t exist or matter apparently.
FOR REAL, I've been loving Mr Goh as an ML, he was so serious about respecting MC's boundaries and being patient but now that his dick's out he's catching Shitty Yaoi Top disease. It happens way too often even if the ML is otherwise a green flag sweetie and it drives me crazy.
Same!! I was super surprised that he waited for so long and didn’t let his desires consume him. That was a first for me, but obviously it had to head the other way or else it wouldn’t be a yaoi as we know it </3 they could be perfect in every aspect but always assholes in bed