errrrr sort of controversial… i just find it weird and confusing that he was literally gr4ped and did nothing about it at all??? and on top of that, he was okay with it… cos they’re both benefiting from eo??? so technically, i guess, consent was involved(?) AAAAAA but u do u babes…
anyway ill keep reading it for the sake of my curiosity on whats gonna happen next
idk why you're overanalyzing it when he explicitly says he likes the entire arrangement as a whole lmao dudewhatlmao
i am aware of that but if u think about this whole situation from an outsider’s perspective, its weird and problematic :/ and if this happened to u or ur loved ones, u wouldnt say the same thing would u? that stalker would be locked behind bards asap, but he wasnt cos our mc HAPPENED to “like” it becos he’s somewhat benefiting from it (the convenience of someone doing his household chores (oh and possibly the longing of someone’s ‘warmth’ (to which in this case, is something that he lacks, so that explains his behaviour towards his current situation))) and i just find that to be complete BS, realistically speaking.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, im not trying to sound mean here im just expressing my thoughts towards this manga becos i happen to rlly like the art and i dont want to be involved in unnecessary arguments T_T
i am aware of that but if u think about this whole situation from an outsider’s perspective, its weird and problematic :/ and if this happened to u or ur loved ones, u wouldnt say the same thing would u? that... ★ toto !?
I totally understand where you’re coming from and I agree 100%, but you mentioned it yourself when you used : “realistically speaking”. This situation is definitely not realistic because it is fiction and sometimes you just can’t bring stories onto the real world. My opinion on this is, and it includes a lot of other manga, as long as I understand that this is fiction and that this situation can’t happen in real life I am at ease reading that kind of plot. On an other perspective I wish I had a handsome stalker like him. Obviously not in real life but we can all dream a bit (▰˘◡˘▰)
i am aware of that but if u think about this whole situation from an outsider’s perspective, its weird and problematic :/ and if this happened to u or ur loved ones, u wouldnt say the same thing would u? that... ★ toto !?
babes so what if it's weird and problematic? that's the whole point of this manga, to show a normally dangerous event in another light. everybody here knows that stalking irl is bad, you don't need to explain it. do you read an assassin plot and and go on a tangent about how murder is bad and the mc should realistically not be an assassin as well? how about a mafia or psychological horror plot? literally everybody knows those things are bad irl.
your heart is in the right place and i don't want arguments either, but it seems to me that you can't read fiction without trying to make some sort of moralistic statement about it. for your own peace of mind, stop doing that. fiction is not there to tell you what's right and what's wrong because your own moral compass does it already. fiction is there to be a safe space for engaging in various subject matters and often dangerous situations without posing physical risks to the reader. it's for you to engage in fantasy of being a ceo, an MI6 agent, or even a corporate slave who has a nice and caring stalker, without you having to deal with a stalker irl. just enjoy it.
babes so what if it's weird and problematic? that's the whole point of this manga, to show a normally dangerous event in another light. everybody here knows that stalking irl is bad, you don't need to explain i... dudewhatlmao
ok but like who r u to tell me ‘you cant read fiction […]’ just because i find something problematic? ive witnessed over decades worth of fiction media that are 10x more problematic than this. and no i dont let out a tantrum just cos someone committed murder. i do understand that its good to shed light upon something that is controversial over in fiction, but u have to admit that something just as messed up as murder shouldnt be taken lightly and be written this poorly. hmmm altho i do find the story to be quite errr unique cos the author decided to show that the stalker had good intentions behind his questionable actions, which is… morally wrong but the story intends to tell us that its okay as long as the mc (the victim whose house was broken into and was literally SAed) likes it… and u tell me to “just enjoy it” but i cant find enjoyment in consuming media that glorifies/romantices stalking + SA. and it just so happens that a majority, if not all, of BL stories normalise this (porn w no plot, etc) and it seems like this genre might be ur cup of tea so im sorry if i hit a nerve. as for me i cant force myself to like this, but im still curious to see this story’s progress just like any other problematic media ive seen.
and also u saying “nice and caring” about a stalker doesnt sound so nice together especially when u think abt the fact that themes of assault present in stories shouldnt be dreamy or sexy, but oh well ill just switch off my head when reading cos afterall its just fiction amirite… >_>
I totally understand where you’re coming from and I agree 100%, but you mentioned it yourself when you used : “realistically speaking”. This situation is definitely not realistic because it is fiction and... Moonstone
yeahhhh i get it. but saying that its “not realistic” can be demeaning for victims of SA and stalking. just because it didnt happen to u, doesnt mean it didnt happen irl/to others. and dont get me wrong, im not saying that liking this form of media is wrong becos after all its just fiction and harmless right?? but think abt those who have gone thru those same experiences as the mc and them finding out that their most traumatic moments are being romanticised and used as mere porno fictions for mostly pleasure and entertainment. altho i have to admit that the author (not only this author) has took an unusual take of heavy matters into a weirdly unique turn of events is somewhat interesting, but its just disheartening to see that good art is wasted on a story like this that does not justify such matters </3
and i also agree that we can dream a bit HAHA (except the stalking and SA part LOL)
yeahhhh i get it. but saying that its “not realistic” can be demeaning for victims of SA and stalking. just because it didnt happen to u, doesnt mean it didnt happen irl/to others. and dont get me wrong, im... ★ toto !?
i can guarantee to you that victims of SA and stalking can and are reading fiction that depicts those events as well, and many even write in genre themselves. you don't even know if the author has been a victim of stalking before. victims do not need random strangers' pity, and their trauma does not gatekeep others from making art about it. based on your argument, the parody franchise Scary Movies are offensive and insensitive because it turns murder and death into lighthearted jokes. or the thriller show Hannibal is offensive for making cannibalism into a sophisticated artform. can we even joke about debt anymore if so many people become destitute because of debt and have trauma from it? in essence, you can't pick and choose what people can and cannot make art about. either everything is free game or nothing is at all.
i think it's odd that you think an artstyle this good is "wasted" on a plot like this. the best artists in the world are the ones who explore subjects many wouldn't touch. in the manga world, i can think of junji ito and kentaro miura, whose works feature sexual violence and other dark subjects. artists and writers and everything in between create for themselves, and while we can definitely critique, we have absolutely no business judging what they should spend their talent on. also, we're reading this illegally without the author's consent and therefore depleting them of their hard earned money. none of us have the moral highground here to be deciding what they should or shouldn't draw.
i can guarantee to you that victims of SA and stalking can and are reading fiction that depicts those events as well, and many even write in genre themselves. you don't even know if the author has been a victim... dudewhatlmao
sigh. i have so many things to say but im tired and the way ur talking to me is draining. i tried to keep this conversation as friendly as possible. i have nothing else to say to u anymore. yk the more u keep dragging this conversation, the more ur showing ur true colours. and the fact that i voiced my opinion when something is wrong and u jumping me for it speaks volumes. and i take back what i said, fiction is NEVER harmless.
thanks to you, you made some random stranger's day completely ruined. not that you care anyway since my opinion didnt completely went thru ur corrupted head. have a nice day
sigh. i have so many things to say but im tired and the way ur talking to me is draining. i tried to keep this conversation as friendly as possible. i have nothing else to say to u anymore. yk the more u keep d... ★ toto !?
you think fiction 100% affects reality and fantasy equals belief, i think fiction is more like a reflection of reality and its affect on real life is not a one-to-one relationship. it's understandable that we disagree, but you trying to guilt trip me for engaging in discussion with you is very funny lmao, especially when I've been nothing but cordial throughout. i get accused of moral depravity but *you* are the one to get their day ruined? alright bro lmao take care
yeahhhh i get it. but saying that its “not realistic” can be demeaning for victims of SA and stalking. just because it didnt happen to u, doesnt mean it didnt happen irl/to others. and dont get me wrong, im... ★ toto !?
You can enjoy that kind of content and be heavily against SA and stalking. As for the victims of such crimes I can’t talk for them, but I think that’s one of the reason there should always be a content warning at the beginning of stories with that kind of plot. It’s hard to regulate whats on the internet sadly. The fact that you’re thinking about all that is genuinely a good things but it won’t change anything sadly, if you’re thinking about this all the time maybe you should try to avoid that kind of plot for your mental health ? but again I understand it could be difficult to avoid that kind of content :/
I hope I’m not being rude and that my English is understandable. This said I’m not trying to change your opinion here just trying to understand your perspective. I’m also realising that I’m not the best person to talk about that subject as I never had to go through that kind of things in real life. I can only say that this subject definitely needs more attention. I think you also understood my vision here so I guess we’re good. Have a good day today.
errrrr sort of controversial… i just find it weird and confusing that he was literally gr4ped and did nothing about it at all??? and on top of that, he was okay with it… cos they’re both benefiting from eo??? so technically, i guess, consent was involved(?) AAAAAA but u do u babes…
anyway ill keep reading it for the sake of my curiosity on whats gonna happen next
idk why you're overanalyzing it when he explicitly says he likes the entire arrangement as a whole lmao
i am aware of that but if u think about this whole situation from an outsider’s perspective, its weird and problematic :/ and if this happened to u or ur loved ones, u wouldnt say the same thing would u? that stalker would be locked behind bards asap, but he wasnt cos our mc HAPPENED to “like” it becos he’s somewhat benefiting from it (the convenience of someone doing his household chores (oh and possibly the longing of someone’s ‘warmth’ (to which in this case, is something that he lacks, so that explains his behaviour towards his current situation))) and i just find that to be complete BS, realistically speaking.
AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, im not trying to sound mean here im just expressing my thoughts towards this manga becos i happen to rlly like the art and i dont want to be involved in unnecessary arguments T_T
I totally understand where you’re coming from and I agree 100%, but you mentioned it yourself when you used : “realistically speaking”. This situation is definitely not realistic because it is fiction and sometimes you just can’t bring stories onto the real world. My opinion on this is, and it includes a lot of other manga, as long as I understand that this is fiction and that this situation can’t happen in real life I am at ease reading that kind of plot.
On an other perspective I wish I had a handsome stalker like him. Obviously not in real life but we can all dream a bit (▰˘◡˘▰)
babes so what if it's weird and problematic? that's the whole point of this manga, to show a normally dangerous event in another light. everybody here knows that stalking irl is bad, you don't need to explain it. do you read an assassin plot and and go on a tangent about how murder is bad and the mc should realistically not be an assassin as well? how about a mafia or psychological horror plot? literally everybody knows those things are bad irl.
your heart is in the right place and i don't want arguments either, but it seems to me that you can't read fiction without trying to make some sort of moralistic statement about it. for your own peace of mind, stop doing that. fiction is not there to tell you what's right and what's wrong because your own moral compass does it already. fiction is there to be a safe space for engaging in various subject matters and often dangerous situations without posing physical risks to the reader. it's for you to engage in fantasy of being a ceo, an MI6 agent, or even a corporate slave who has a nice and caring stalker, without you having to deal with a stalker irl. just enjoy it.
ok but like who r u to tell me ‘you cant read fiction […]’ just because i find something problematic? ive witnessed over decades worth of fiction media that are 10x more problematic than this. and no i dont let out a tantrum just cos someone committed murder. i do understand that its good to shed light upon something that is controversial over in fiction, but u have to admit that something just as messed up as murder shouldnt be taken lightly and be written this poorly. hmmm altho i do find the story to be quite errr unique cos the author decided to show that the stalker had good intentions behind his questionable actions, which is… morally wrong but the story intends to tell us that its okay as long as the mc (the victim whose house was broken into and was literally SAed) likes it… and u tell me to “just enjoy it” but i cant find enjoyment in consuming media that glorifies/romantices stalking + SA. and it just so happens that a majority, if not all, of BL stories normalise this (porn w no plot, etc) and it seems like this genre might be ur cup of tea so im sorry if i hit a nerve. as for me i cant force myself to like this, but im still curious to see this story’s progress just like any other problematic media ive seen.
and also u saying “nice and caring” about a stalker doesnt sound so nice together especially when u think abt the fact that themes of assault present in stories shouldnt be dreamy or sexy, but oh well ill just switch off my head when reading cos afterall its just fiction amirite… >_>
yeahhhh i get it. but saying that its “not realistic” can be demeaning for victims of SA and stalking. just because it didnt happen to u, doesnt mean it didnt happen irl/to others. and dont get me wrong, im not saying that liking this form of media is wrong becos after all its just fiction and harmless right?? but think abt those who have gone thru those same experiences as the mc and them finding out that their most traumatic moments are being romanticised and used as mere porno fictions for mostly pleasure and entertainment. altho i have to admit that the author (not only this author) has took an unusual take of heavy matters into a weirdly unique turn of events is somewhat interesting, but its just disheartening to see that good art is wasted on a story like this that does not justify such matters </3
and i also agree that we can dream a bit HAHA (except the stalking and SA part LOL)
i can guarantee to you that victims of SA and stalking can and are reading fiction that depicts those events as well, and many even write in genre themselves. you don't even know if the author has been a victim of stalking before. victims do not need random strangers' pity, and their trauma does not gatekeep others from making art about it. based on your argument, the parody franchise Scary Movies are offensive and insensitive because it turns murder and death into lighthearted jokes. or the thriller show Hannibal is offensive for making cannibalism into a sophisticated artform. can we even joke about debt anymore if so many people become destitute because of debt and have trauma from it? in essence, you can't pick and choose what people can and cannot make art about. either everything is free game or nothing is at all.
i think it's odd that you think an artstyle this good is "wasted" on a plot like this. the best artists in the world are the ones who explore subjects many wouldn't touch. in the manga world, i can think of junji ito and kentaro miura, whose works feature sexual violence and other dark subjects. artists and writers and everything in between create for themselves, and while we can definitely critique, we have absolutely no business judging what they should spend their talent on. also, we're reading this illegally without the author's consent and therefore depleting them of their hard earned money. none of us have the moral highground here to be deciding what they should or shouldn't draw.
sigh. i have so many things to say but im tired and the way ur talking to me is draining. i tried to keep this conversation as friendly as possible. i have nothing else to say to u anymore. yk the more u keep dragging this conversation, the more ur showing ur true colours. and the fact that i voiced my opinion when something is wrong and u jumping me for it speaks volumes. and i take back what i said, fiction is NEVER harmless.
thanks to you, you made some random stranger's day completely ruined. not that you care anyway since my opinion didnt completely went thru ur corrupted head. have a nice day
you think fiction 100% affects reality and fantasy equals belief, i think fiction is more like a reflection of reality and its affect on real life is not a one-to-one relationship. it's understandable that we disagree, but you trying to guilt trip me for engaging in discussion with you is very funny lmao, especially when I've been nothing but cordial throughout. i get accused of moral depravity but *you* are the one to get their day ruined? alright bro lmao take care
You can enjoy that kind of content and be heavily against SA and stalking. As for the victims of such crimes I can’t talk for them, but I think that’s one of the reason there should always be a content warning at the beginning of stories with that kind of plot. It’s hard to regulate whats on the internet sadly.
The fact that you’re thinking about all that is genuinely a good things but it won’t change anything sadly, if you’re thinking about this all the time maybe you should try to avoid that kind of plot for your mental health ?
but again I understand it could be difficult to avoid that kind of content :/
I hope I’m not being rude and that my English is understandable.
This said I’m not trying to change your opinion here just trying to understand your perspective. I’m also realising that I’m not the best person to talk about that subject as I never had to go through that kind of things in real life. I can only say that this subject definitely needs more attention. I think you also understood my vision here so I guess we’re good. Have a good day today.