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No his intention is good, he thinks the kid is lonely so he joined him for him not to be afraid. He thinks that kind of thing is normal bc Ashley used to abuse him just like that

It was not an abuse, more like discipline. Greyson poisoned Koi that’s why he was locked in the basement to reflect for what he did. Simply scolding Greyson won’t work. Koi did it before and it did not work. After Greyson tried to poison Koi he tried to make another kid kill his own baby brother. So Ashley has to punish him for that to make know that it wasn’t right. Ashley brought Greyson to every Doctors, Hospitals and experts but no one can make Greyson feel emotions much more feel them and that’s when Ashley realized that he has to teach not just Greyson but his whole children how to imitate emotions and read them because most of them can’t feel nor understand emotions.

That's literally how u understand how he was raised and how hard Grayson trauma goes through

Ik but he can never make me like him for treating chase like that. And yes ik Grayson was young when he went through that trauma. But he's old enough now to know right from wrong. Making chase believe he had sex with a dog. Saying that he would rape bliss

Greyson has no trauma, the only trauma he has are those when Dane put himself to danger. He has no lingering traumas with how his parents raised him.

It's called subconscious trauma, yes he might not know the stuff he went through were abuse in the name of discipline whatever the case might be that was still lowkey abuse that Ashley made Grayson went through even if Grayson realises it or not.
Like literally strangling a 9yo kid to death almost fine? That is a major trauma for most children but Grayson doesn't realise doesn't mean his body is fit to take more abuse also?
Whatever the case might have been of Grayson he didn't deserve to go through that stuff

No gng, I know what I'm talking about I agree with all of the things you've said. I've read the novel too, but that wasn't just "discipline", locking up a child born with a disability is a form of abuse, it don't matter what he did when he was a child. Even Dane acknowledged how messed up it was. Genuinely, Ashley could have "disciplined" him better and be more patient with him like how Dane was, but he used a method that wouldn't help his condition, Grayson can't even properly reflect on his actions in there bc Ashley never taught him better. Also, the doctor was no help at all, Grayson does feel emotions but he expresses it through his ears, only Dane was patient enough to notice. You're telling me locking up a child with no food in a dark room/cabinet/area is not abuse?

So are you going to defend what Greyson did then? What if Ashley wasn’t home and Koi end up dead would you still be saying the same thing then? What if the parents of the child who Greyson told to kill his own baby brother ended up dead will you still be saying the same thing then?

You are all hypocrites, you are so short sighted that you are literally excusing attempted murder committed by a child.

In the country where I live every circumstances in which a parent had murdered or inflict injuries to their own child out of emotional blockage due to the shock brought by the circumstances of the child actions is always taken to consideration.

Emotions are cruel thing, it can make even the most rational man to be irrational and even rob them their sanity temporarily when blinded by extreme emotions. That’s why when a crime is committed out of emotions every angle that revolves around it are being considered to court.

Do you read what you're saying? You can't excuse whatever trauma Grayson had for doing shit, but you excuse Chase for all the abuse he did bc of his past trauma? Mind you Chase's trauma is only directed towards dogs, but he was a complete asshole to people. He was a mad dog even way before his trauma too, even the only sibling he gets along with acknowledged how rude Chase was.

You make it sound like Chase is an angel, have you forgotten how he pushed Henry of the helicopter? Shot bodyguards who did nothing wrong, and almost killed Joshua? If it weren't for Joshua's stubborness and strength, Chase wouldn't even acknowledge him even a little. Hell, he wouldn't even save a child from getting chased by a dog if it weren't the fact that it was Joshua's son.

Mind you Chase is born normally, was not born with any disability. But he acts more of an asshole than Grayson who was born with a disability. That's not shown much bc of Joshua's one-sided pov. Chase never even gotten any better even in the side stories.

I'm not gonna spoil you much, but Grayson is by far a better person than Chase, even a better lover. Grayson is literally a man who knows consent and bounderies.

I don't understand?
Okay a Child does something like add Cleaning agent into food because he was curious whether his mother can smell or taste? So he did? What was the thing yes it's had but ur saying a 9yo kid devoid of emotions and only satisfying his curiosity was at wrong here?
Whatever as a Parent I could never harm my children even after whatever they do, I come from a place where children are placed at the highest priority in life and I have grew up with it Nothin comes before or after a child.
So strangling ur own child is literally called trash parent, whatever the reason might be it's trash behaviour af. Okay tell me also weren't Nathaniel and Stella there too they also simply stood not caring about Koi.
See here I ain't excusing his actions but remember he is a 9yo kid? Do u think a 9yo kid can think for themselves well and be independent no they are freaking kid. So try to look it into a child's view instead of a 3rd person pov.
Whatever Ashley made Grayson go through was still bad and trash, there were a lot of different ways he could have tried but nah Ashley has no time to look after his disgusting Alpha children and only spoil and concentrate on his Omega child Bliss.

Ashley could have given him to the police since he committed an attempted murder not once but twice. What if Koi ended up would you still be saying that? If those two people ended up dead that will be a murder. Greyson could have ended in a Juvie but Ashley didn’t do it.

Also what can you expect from Ashley when that was the kind of discipline he got from his father and much worse than what he gave to his children. Also mind you, lenient parenting doesn’t work with psychopaths. That’s the reason why many psychopaths ended up killing q lot of people is because of that gentle parenting you hypocrites are so obsessed about. Don’t pretend that those two didn’t try it. Before the incident they were trying that gentle parenting for years and yet still their own children tried to hurt their own sibling and tried to kill the own birth father.

Yk you are literally justifying an adult wrong actions and blaming a child wrong actions. And he didn't poisoned Koi to kill him. It was the parents who didn't explained anything to them and Grayson was always a curious child. Ashley was always extra cautious about Koi's condition that's wht made him curious so he wanted to check if koi actually can't taste.

No matters what the parents are to be blamed for the children sufferings. Ashley suffered cs of his parents and he made his children suffer too

Just months ago this year, an 8 year old raped and killed a 3 year old. This is real life. Now you tell me where does innocence end? When should we stop using as being a kid an excuse to a crime? Last year a 7 year old together with a 10 year old gang raped a 6 year old girl. A 14 year old stabbed 7 children of age of 8 in a school. That’s the reality.

Yess u gave me examples, let's tell something what made this children have this idea and do those stuff?
It's their environment and their parents that's what led for them to do those stuff?
Every crime committed there is an example of bad parenting.
A child born is pure as Clay and what shapes the clay is the hands(parents) if they couldn't shape them well it's their fault not the child's fault.
The children might have been innocent but they grew up in such disgusting environment and bad parents who never taught them what's wrong and right u can't expect the children to do the rght thing?

What if Koi died and it turn into an homicide, so what excuse would you use now? You can’t always use the word you didn’t know as an excuse nor you are just simply curious just because the person who did it was a child. Ignorance of the law excuses no one.

But in case of Greyson he was taught what’s wrong and right. If you read all Zig’s novel you’ll know it. Prior to the incident Koi keeps telling them what’s wrong and right and even after the incident he keeps repeating evem though they seemed not listening.

Now I’m asking you if somehow Koi ended up dead then that would have turned to homicide, will you still defend Greyson’s actions then? A crime is still a crime even when it was done out of curiosity.

Have you ever heard the crime committed by a 14 years old out of curiosity and butchered an 8 year old girl just because she’s curious. That 14 years old was at the top of her class. Both parents are Doctors. Can you still use environment as an excuse when she’s well loved by both parents. When she’s celebrated at school for being top of her class?

What's up with you directly resulting to ad hominem? That's quite childish. I know where you're getting at but have you ever thought of what you're saying right about now? I wasn't even trying to defend Grayson, I'm defending a fck ass child, which you're obviously apathetic about. Also why are you excusing Ashley's deranged parenting bc that's what he went through when he was a kid, if he was such a good father, he would know better than not to have made Grayson's actions become worse than it already was. Also that's freaking 9 yr old trying to answer his curiosity WITHOUT knowing the consequences of his actions are, Koi is an adult, he knows what his child is like but he remains to be dumb and accepts whatever Grayson gives him, despite the constant warning Ashley gives him. They could've warned Grayson in the first place what the dos and donts were but no they didn't, they did that way too late. The siblings were there, especially Nathaniel but they did not do shit, so why are you blaming everything to Grayson when everyone in the family was in the fcking wrong, but that environment was also made bc of the bad parenting. Also I'd like to point out a loophole in your argument, Ashley's form of discipline does not help a kid like Grayson, someone born with disability. Also, I never even said that they should be lenient, why are you adding words to my statement? All I ever said was to give Grayson more attention than they already gave him, honestly putting a child immediately in juvenile is inhumane and usually won't work when a child clearly doesn't know what he's doing, most of the time he does things to satisfy his curiosity but not hurt people, but he can't exactly comprehend what actions would lead to "hurt", or what hurt even was in the first place. Him locking Grayson up was a useless method of discipline, it obviously didn't help someone like Grayson.

But that’s how the law works, if an incident as such were to occur statements as to how the incident happens were given and if it so happen that it came to the acknowledgement of the authorities juvie is probably a place where a child can temporarily be a place they put to for evaluation. And if it escalated to homicide and murder then they will stay there till they are of age for a trial. It may sound harsh but that’s how the law works. There’s no such thing as exemptions to the law. If a child is too young they are placed under the social Welfare until they are old enough for trials. It defends how the trial goes but most of the kids goes to Juvie for reformation so they could go back to the society unless the case is as graved as murder and homicide where they will stay there till they are off legal age to get trialed for the crime they committed.

No one is fcking defending Grayson's actions, he was born as a child with special needs, get your mind straight. If that happened it would simply be called an ACCIDENT, why? Because that's CHILD did not know better BECAUSE of his parents which are obviously bad at parenting but somehow you keep on defending their parenting skills. If there's someone trying to defend characters here that would only be you. Genuinely if what you said have happened then Grayson would definitely feel guilty and be so confused about what he just did, because he doesn't know simple concepts of right and wrong. Obviously it would scar him for life because Ashley wouldn't leave him be, Grayson is not entirely heartless and that's literally shown in his novel through Dane. That's also even implied in Bliss' novel. His brain finds it hard to comprehend emotions but his body unknowingly expresses it.

If that happens, he will be given to the social welfare, probably will stay there till he’s old enough to be put to Juvie and when he reached legal age he will be trialed for the crime he committed. That’s the reality should it escalated to homicide. And not
what you just said because that’s how serious it is. That’s the reality of it should it got escalated to it. But since he has mental disability then they probably will put him in a mental institution.

I love Greyson as much as you guys do, but you don’t know the depth of what he did.

In the country where I live there’s this one part of our law that kind of exempt a spouse or a parent for killing or inflicting serious injuries to their spouse or children. Only if such elements are present. The one element that is really important is that the perpetrator has to be in that moment under a greay deal of emotional shock to even think for a second. Totally blocked out of emotions to even rationalize what they are doing.

When I asked my professor in our law subject as to why such exemption was made under our law constitution? He simply answered, though it is not right but under such circumstances where a spouse or even a parent put in a tremendous shock it can actually kill them emotionally and rationally. Making their logic dead. To which the law acknowledges. That’s why if all the elements are present then such crime is not punishable by law.

I’m not defending Ashley but he was under a great shock, his anger made him unable to think and rationalized things which made him strangle Greyson. Such actions and emotions are being acknowledged by law because that’s what makes a human a human.

Greyson on the other hand out of curiosity planned it out. I love Greyson don’t get me wrong but if we put the law here what you said will never happen. Greyson will be apprehended and put in a social welfare should it escalated to homicide then further action will be placed. That’s how it works in real life.

It's very obvious from Grayson behaviour right now he completely obeys the words of Ashley?
See here even a child wouldn't know people will die with a cleaning agent completely even if Grayson didn't it's still not bad that's a child.
The way ur telling about a child can commit homocide and killing ur throwing words here. Idk I feel like u won't know how a paternal instinct works and how a parent can never blame their own child for this. See the children are the light of parents eyes and this crime is done by a 9yo kid.
Yes even if Koi had died, I would have still defended Grayson, Grayson didn't do it with the intention to kill or any malicious intent it was much of a curiosity thing and if ashley and koi had been more concentrating on Grayson he wouldn't have been like this.
The example u gave about a girl being butchered, hmm it also stems from parents and family itself even if they were happy there are a lot lot lot of major to minor factors that comes with it and how it shifts their view, they all play a role.
See most people debate that people are born with a personality and that's what is shaped and other people believe that the environment completely shapes the personality and mind of a child. U see these are all important and I believe every single thing about a child is shaped by parents and environment.
So even a happy family can produce psychopaths because small factors, books they are exposed to and everything comes with it. So yes every single thing till a child comes into maturity and full fledged adult the parents are completely responsible

You’re missing the point. I never said the law doesn’t work like that, obviously if a case escalates, authorities step in. What I’m saying is that throwing a kid straight into juvie when he didn’t even *intend* to kill is psychologically destructive. Research literally shows juvenile detention increases trauma, depression, and the chance of reoffending instead of fixing the behavior. That’s why the system itself was designed for rehabilitation, not punishment.

Grayson’s case is about a child with a disability who couldn’t even process what ‘hurt’ meant. Locking him in a dark room with no food or tossing him into juvie doesn’t teach him right from wrong, it js reinforces abuse. What he needed was structured guidance and therapeutic intervention, not Ashley’s useless ‘discipline.’

So yeah, the law exists, but psychology quite literally proves that method doesn’t work. If you actually care about preventing harm, you’d understand that helping a child comprehend consequences is way more effective than traumatizing them further.

See, you keep twisting this into a law lecture when I’m literally talking about the psychology of a child. I never denied that the law has procedures, social welfare, juvie, trial when they’re of age, whatever. That’s not the debate. The debate is whether those systems actually *fix* a child like Grayson. And the answer is no. Studies show juvenile detention increases trauma, depression, and recidivism. It doesn’t teach morality, it just reinforces abuse.

You even admitted he’d probably be put in a mental institution because of his disability, which proves my point, it's better to put him in a mental institution than to straight up put him in a juvie, at least by that, doctors who know better would at least be able to make things right for him. That’s why kids with special needs are placed under social welfare or psychiatric care, not treated like hardened criminals by the law. He doesn’t comprehend right and wrong the way you’re framing it. If he poisoned someone out of curiosity, that’s not ‘premeditated murder,’ that’s a tragic accident caused by bad parenting and neglect. He would feel guilt and confusion, not cold-blooded satisfaction.

And don’t even try to excuse Ashley strangling him by saying ‘the law acknowledges emotional shock.’ Abuse is still abuse. Being angry doesn’t make strangling your disabled kid suddenly acceptable. That’s literally the cycle of trauma repeating itself. If Ashley was truly a good father, he would’ve broken that cycle instead of passing it down.

So yeah, the law has its harsh realities, but psychology proves that throwing Grayson into juvie or excusing Ashley’s abuse doesn’t solve anything. It just damages them further. If you actually care about preventing harm, you’d stop defending failed parenting and start acknowledging that proper guidance and therapeutic intervention are the only way forward.

If we’re talking about “what if” scenarios, then there could be many more of them.

Like, what if Ashley had actually killed a child? Would you justify that then? No matter the reason, would that be excusable?

What if it wasn’t Josh and it was someone else instead? Would Chase have raped them too? And so on.

And for the thousandth fucking time, such people are dangerous in REAL LIFE. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that?

If you take patients like this to doctors, it is almost always the guardians who are told to be careful and take responsibility — not the patient themselves. That’s because the patient may not fully understand the consequences of their own actions.

So the responsibility will always fall on the guardians first, and only then on the person’s actions second.

And the parents failed at that.

Even they themselves admitted it in the end.

So I really don’t see any reason to justify their failed parenting when they themselves acknowledged it.


Even if some accident occurred, in real life, the law do consider if the person is aware of the harm? If the person is aware of the consequences? That's why we have a whole fucking different set of laws for such people.

Well if you read my previous response, like I said in the country where I live, there’s a part in our law that kind of acquits the perpetrator be it the perpetrator is a spouse or a parent given all elements in the crimes are present when the crime was committed. The most important element is the perpetrator was under emotional shock that made him or her blocked out of emotions and rationality unable them to think logically and only drive by full rage when the crime was committed. Our professor explained to us that the reason such exemption existed in our law is because emotional shock can kill a person’s sanity and rationality in just a snap moment.

You get it now? Our professor who’s a lawyer and a judge said such exemption is only applicable to married spouses and to parents.

Ashley was under a bit emotional shock that time, seeing his beloved who he wager his life to get laying on the floor dying what would you expect? A normal person would also only see red during those moments. Anger can cloud a person’s mind specially when you are not expecting it.

This is the reason why you should read your country’s laws. You’ll be surprised just how many rights we have in every situation that could protect a person.

Oh thank you so much for clarifying. Can you please tell me the laws for a 10 yr old child who commits a crime with no intention, no awareness of what they are doing and with no knowledge the consequences?? I really don't know ig. Or maybe can you ask your professor again?

If theraputic care actually works how come the shooting incident during Bat Man the Darknight still happened? Remember? The shooter was constantly seeing his therapist and even told her his plans to shoot people because of the voices in his head? The therapist didn’t report it which actually makes me think if patient and doctors confidentiality should be in place in such situations where in the psychiatric patient telling you they are planning a mass murder should be kept for the sake of the patient? How many lives have lost back then?

I myself see psychiatrist but not every thing can be solved by doctors and psychiatrists you see. You can be diligently see them which Ashley did like he said they tried everything, they went to every doctors every hospitals. What could they possibly do more when Greyson only responds to Dane. I bet even if they tried how Dane do it Greyson still wouldn’t respond to them. Dane is no expert. They sought out the experts opinion and still landed wity nothing.

Also if Ashley is as bad as a parent as you said he was, he could have just let Greyson locked up. He assembled a centralized security system for all his kids even though they are fully adult. Most parents stop caring after their children are off legal age but he still looks after for them.

In addition to that, he entered politics for them, he could have followed Dominic’s footsteps and retired early to be with Koi. He’s that obsessive and possessive with Koi and yet he step in to the politics to still support and protect them. Fly to West coast to visit his son. Constantly checking on them about their pheromones. He could have let them be and live his life with Koi and not be bothered and yet he still cares for them. They are all adults now and has their own family and yet Ashley still looks after them.

Oh and also I was talking about 'what if' scenarios. So if Ashley would actually have killed a child, you would explain his situation like this ryt? The same way people are explaining Grayson's situation?

It seems you people are so adamant about this topic, I would leave it at that. I love Greyson as much as you guys do and probably you guys are still young that’s why you guys don’t know better but that’s the reality of it. I know we live in different countries. In the country where I live tough parenting is a norm here. We have different laws but that is how the law works here. We have low juvenile crime rates. We have no mass shooting incidents here. Children can go to school without fearing someone would show up and shower them with bullets. Juvenile crime is not taken lightly here. If the crime is truly with no intention then they will be taken in by the social welfare, further evaluation will be given there during their stay. Like I said they will try to reform the children there to be brought back to society but if and if there are no improvement and if the crime committed is heavy then as they age they will be moved defending on the case they will be trialed on. Some stay there till they are of legal age for the trial. Some got released back to the society. It depends.

But there is also a law that protects parents against such acts. Everything has an exemption when all elements are met.

If you hate the parents so much I suggest don’t read their story, also Bliss’s story. You’ll not like it very much and I think you all will still find faults with them. Specially how they treat Bliss.

No one hates the parents. It's just as the novel showed it, most of the things could have been prevented if they would have seen their children as children and not monster Alphas. That is what we are saying, which is true. The parents accepted their fault too. We don't hate anyone here. We are just stating the situation as they have been showed. Zig has already shown the results of failed parenting right from beginning(Dominic). We do understand Ashley's actions as well. So we don't blame him entirely either. But people can't blame Grayson entirely saying what Ashley did was right. It clearly showed that with good guidance Grayson did improved. And before Dane, he would always listen to Ashley too. Ashley did everything he thought was good for Grayson but he didn't do what he actually should have been doing. And I am saying that if they would have paid attention to the children maybe the Poison incident would never happened. Also, Nathaniel was there totally understanding the situation that Koi might die unlike Grayson and Stacy but he still didn't do anything. Why? Because of Ashley, Nath don't care about Koi at all. Also, Ashley only punished Grayson which was fine but he should have scolded Nathaniel as well. I love all of them, I only blame the situations here. But some people are adamant on putting the entire blame on Grayson who was just a child at that time. I won't agree to that.

It's like when a bunch of people (usually girls and guys) go out together. Kinda like a group date

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