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Gottastopreadingtil3am April 26, 2026 9:46 pm

The trope of the cold, mean or downright evil top and the good, innocent bottom is soooo common but I have rarely encountered one where the bottom was actually secretly the one who holds the power, manipulating the situation. Ex: seducing the top was planned from the start for political purposes, crazy top meets an even crazier bottom, a selfish bottom enthusiastically accepts the top’s interest to gain power/fame, etc.
Does anyone know any?
PS: I’m not really looking for ones where bottom has to do something for survival purposes, because that wouldn’t really be him holding the power in the relationship. Unless it starts like that but the balance shifts at some point!

    puro April 26, 2026 10:15 pm

    You really have to think of a lot of bl manhwas through the lens of the eastern hemisphere. purity/innocence is especially “likable” and a lot of the time the mc will feel self-inserty because that’s what it is. The bland/innocent/clueless trope is so prevalent because that’s what Asian readers (their main audience) tend to like or prefer. I’m sure not I’m completely right but that’s my guess

    puro April 26, 2026 10:16 pm

    It’s kind of the same of how a lot of western romance novels has the “alpha male shadow powers” archetype LMAO it’s the same there just way more rapey.

    puro April 26, 2026 10:18 pm

    as for recs: the coast of the waves, checkmate, hit me hard, boundary of delusion. These are ones that are mainly not clueless or innocent (morally or sexually)

    Gottastopreadingtil3am April 26, 2026 10:50 pm
    You really have to think of a lot of bl manhwas through the lens of the eastern hemisphere. purity/innocence is especially “likable” and a lot of the time the mc will feel self-inserty because that’s what... puro

    I think you’re right! The origins of tropes are really interesting from a sociological perspective. Also, I don’t even dislike the trope, but an abundance of one thing means it’s harder to find the opposite, haha! Thanks for the recs!

    Superman fan April 26, 2026 11:54 pm

    https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/saezuru_tori_wa_habatakanai/ - personal favourite of mine but ongoing. Uke basically runs the underworld and he's not some dumb idiot even though he sleeps around, he does it because sometimes it helps him business-wise

    https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/under_the_green_light/ - another personal favourite and mafia leader uke, again not some brainless guy just because he's the uke

    https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/vampire_homeless/ - another another mafia leader LOL. Atp this is the only way they're not innocent. Really short story but it's nice. The only downside is you notice how much potential it had to be a long story explaining more on the characters

    https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/honey_bear/ - uke isn't innocent, dude's a freak. Seme is innocent but uke still has the small innocent build ig

    puro April 27, 2026 4:35 am
    I think you’re right! The origins of tropes are really interesting from a sociological perspective. Also, I don’t even dislike the trope, but an abundance of one thing means it’s harder to find the opposi... Gottastopreadingtil3am

    I agree with you about the sociological perspective! I don’t hate the trope either, but I do love when there’s something refreshing or different out there ^_^ Hope you found smth you liked!

    Gottastopreadingtil3am April 27, 2026 6:28 am
    https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/saezuru_tori_wa_habatakanai/ - personal favourite of mine but ongoing. Uke basically runs the underworld and he's not some dumb idiot even though he sleeps around, he does it b... Superman fan

    I love Honey Bear! I laughed so much reading that one (and seeing how the latest chapter went I can tell I will laugh again in the future)
    I really appreciate you giving some info with the recs, thanks for the extra effort <3

    Superman fan April 29, 2026 12:41 am
    I love Honey Bear! I laughed so much reading that one (and seeing how the latest chapter went I can tell I will laugh again in the future)I really appreciate you giving some info with the recs, thanks for the e... Gottastopreadingtil3am

    Np sorry I couldn't give proper summarises lol I hadn't read them in a bit so I was going based off what I remember

    LMR April 29, 2026 8:59 pm

    I think you'd like this list:

    https://www.mangago.me/home/mangalist/290476/

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