who tf is talkin bout morality here. i'm getting heebie jeebie vibes from yall cus USUALLY ppl who care too much abt morality in fiction are the same ones who are too easily affected with what they're reading. same ones who can't handle sht in fiction bcos they can't separate it wih reality so more likely to be influenced
So you're saying anything goes in fiction?!?! Winter468
Isn’t that rather the point of fiction? It’s a space in which people can explore pretty much anything.
Of course you can condemn a story, dislike it, find it repulsive, or refuse to read it. Everyone’s line is different. But taking the moral high ground over fictional content on a piracy site that hosts pornography and infringes copyright is always a little hilarious to me.
I’m just wary of being too quick to morally condemn people for what they read or draw in fiction. Thoughts and stories aren’t actions. There’s quite enough real-world harm to condemn without treating fictional depictions as though the depicted act actually occurred.
Isn’t that rather the point of fiction? It’s a space in which people can explore pretty much anything.Of course you can condemn a story, dislike it, find it repulsive, or refuse to read it. Everyone’s lin... Yuffie
you can write whatever you want but when you share it with the public youre subject to certain social rules and morals. you cannot write rape porn for zero reason and expect no one to question it because its not real. they aren’t questioning the fiction theyre looking past it at its creator and applying their morals to them, asking wtf is wrong with them lmaoo
Isn’t that rather the point of fiction? It’s a space in which people can explore pretty much anything.Of course you can condemn a story, dislike it, find it repulsive, or refuse to read it. Everyone’s lin... Yuffie
Yes and no. Listen, I'm not here to kink shame, and I'm not here to judge. Everyone has their own reason for being on this site, not all of them are morally right, but whatever. What kills me is that ya'll are getting upset at people for condemning immoral actions in fiction, because its fiction. I mean I get your point, I really do, but throwing away your moral judgement because the events are not real, sounds a bit psychopath-ish to me.
Yes and no. Listen, I'm not here to kink shame, and I'm not here to judge. Everyone has their own reason for being on this site, not all of them are morally right, but whatever. What kills me is that ya'll are ... Winter468
But I didn’t say to throw away your judgment. I was rather referring to not casting the first stone. Rather, I’m inviting self-reflection or inner dialogue before condemning others.
you can write whatever you want but when you share it with the public youre subject to certain social rules and morals. you cannot write rape porn for zero reason and expect no one to question it because its no... Feather
I wonder whether “shared with the public” is quite the right framing here, though. My understanding is that the author originally published this behind a paywall on an explicit site, tagged and marketed to adults specifically interested in this kind of fantasy. It was then pirated and reposted here. We’re the ones consuming the pirated copy.
And that’s really the distinction I’m trying to make. I’m not saying nobody is allowed to find the content abhorrent, or that fiction is somehow exempt from criticism. Judge it! Dislike it! Refuse to read it! Discuss what it depicts and what you think about it.
What I find odd is the leap from “I find this fantasy disgusting” to “therefore the author and people who enjoy this fantasy are disgusting people.” Particularly when that judgement is being delivered from the comments section of a piracy site by people who have themselves sought out/read enough of the explicit material to be here discussing it.
Nobody here has exactly arrived on the moral high ground. Posting the strongest condemnation doesn’t magically put you there.
So yes—exercise judgement. I’m just suggesting we exercise better judgement, including a little self-reflection about context before appointing ourselves arbiters of somebody else’s morality. If we have all this moral energy to expend, there are plenty of places involving actual harm where it might do considerably more good.
I wonder whether “shared with the public” is quite the right framing here, though. My understanding is that the author originally published this behind a paywall on an explicit site, tagged and marketed to ... Yuffie
It is. They publicized their work. This discussion happens again and again with every new piece of weird media that gets released, and all of them you have to purchase lol. I doubt wherever this is published has enough discretions to warn people what theyre about to buy before they do so
It is. They publicized their work. This discussion happens again and again with every new piece of weird media that gets released, and all of them you have to purchase lol. I doubt wherever this is published ha... Feather
Sure — but whether we call it “published” or “public” isn’t really my point. I’m not arguing that publication makes something immune from criticism. I’m questioning the moral high ground from which we’re condemning its creator and intended audience while we’re consuming a pirated copy of the same explicit material here. Criticise away — I’m just suggesting we exercise judgement with a little self-awareness about where we’re standing.
Sure — but whether we call it “published” or “public” isn’t really my point. I’m not arguing that publication makes something immune from criticism. I’m questioning the moral high ground from wh... Yuffie
are you using chapgpt or are you just one out of 20 ppl on the planet to use dashes
are you using chapgpt or are you just one out of 20 ppl on the planet to use dashes Feather
As you’ve now completely disengaged from the actual point of discussion and resorted to an ad hominem about my punctuation and supposed use of AI, I shall consider myself victorious—and leave you to snipe at my em dashes as you will. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ — ✧ — ✧ —
As you’ve now completely disengaged from the actual point of discussion and resorted to an ad hominem about my punctuation and supposed use of AI, I shall consider myself victorious—and leave you to snipe a... Yuffie
there was nothing more to say we both said our piece. not every conversation is an argument where you have to win lmao its not that deep. it was a genuine question you talk like a bot its off putting
who tf is talkin bout morality here. i'm getting heebie jeebie vibes from yall cus USUALLY ppl who care too much abt morality in fiction are the same ones who are too easily affected with what they're reading. same ones who can't handle sht in fiction bcos they can't separate it wih reality so more likely to be influenced
So you're saying anything goes in fiction?!?!
Isn’t that rather the point of fiction? It’s a space in which people can explore pretty much anything.
Of course you can condemn a story, dislike it, find it repulsive, or refuse to read it. Everyone’s line is different. But taking the moral high ground over fictional content on a piracy site that hosts pornography and infringes copyright is always a little hilarious to me.
I’m just wary of being too quick to morally condemn people for what they read or draw in fiction. Thoughts and stories aren’t actions. There’s quite enough real-world harm to condemn without treating fictional depictions as though the depicted act actually occurred.
you can write whatever you want but when you share it with the public youre subject to certain social rules and morals. you cannot write rape porn for zero reason and expect no one to question it because its not real. they aren’t questioning the fiction theyre looking past it at its creator and applying their morals to them, asking wtf is wrong with them lmaoo
Yes and no. Listen, I'm not here to kink shame, and I'm not here to judge. Everyone has their own reason for being on this site, not all of them are morally right, but whatever. What kills me is that ya'll are getting upset at people for condemning immoral actions in fiction, because its fiction. I mean I get your point, I really do, but throwing away your moral judgement because the events are not real, sounds a bit psychopath-ish to me.
But I didn’t say to throw away your judgment.
I was rather referring to not casting the first stone.
Rather, I’m inviting self-reflection or inner dialogue before condemning others.
I wonder whether “shared with the public” is quite the right framing here, though. My understanding is that the author originally published this behind a paywall on an explicit site, tagged and marketed to adults specifically interested in this kind of fantasy. It was then pirated and reposted here. We’re the ones consuming the pirated copy.
And that’s really the distinction I’m trying to make. I’m not saying nobody is allowed to find the content abhorrent, or that fiction is somehow exempt from criticism. Judge it! Dislike it! Refuse to read it! Discuss what it depicts and what you think about it.
What I find odd is the leap from “I find this fantasy disgusting” to “therefore the author and people who enjoy this fantasy are disgusting people.” Particularly when that judgement is being delivered from the comments section of a piracy site by people who have themselves sought out/read enough of the explicit material to be here discussing it.
Nobody here has exactly arrived on the moral high ground. Posting the strongest condemnation doesn’t magically put you there.
So yes—exercise judgement. I’m just suggesting we exercise better judgement, including a little self-reflection about context before appointing ourselves arbiters of somebody else’s morality. If we have all this moral energy to expend, there are plenty of places involving actual harm where it might do considerably more good.
It is. They publicized their work. This discussion happens again and again with every new piece of weird media that gets released, and all of them you have to purchase lol. I doubt wherever this is published has enough discretions to warn people what theyre about to buy before they do so
Sure — but whether we call it “published” or “public” isn’t really my point. I’m not arguing that publication makes something immune from criticism. I’m questioning the moral high ground from which we’re condemning its creator and intended audience while we’re consuming a pirated copy of the same explicit material here. Criticise away — I’m just suggesting we exercise judgement with a little self-awareness about where we’re standing.
are you using chapgpt or are you just one out of 20 ppl on the planet to use dashes
As you’ve now completely disengaged from the actual point of discussion and resorted to an ad hominem about my punctuation and supposed use of AI, I shall consider myself victorious—and leave you to snipe at my em dashes as you will. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ — ✧ — ✧ —
there was nothing more to say we both said our piece. not every conversation is an argument where you have to win lmao its not that deep. it was a genuine question you talk like a bot its off putting