So, I reread, skimmed through the dialog, cause at first I was just refreshing my memories on Guwon. I had misremebered some things, so on my reread while paying an intense amount of attention to the backgrounds, I noticed something, AND IT BREAKS THE IDEA OF A NORMAL TIME LOOP TO SMITHEREENS!!!!
IT'S AUGUST 23RD!
IT'S ALWAYS AUGUST 23RD!!
EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!
FROM THE BEGINNING!!!!
AND PROMINENT EVENTS HAPPEN AT 10:10!!!!!
Grab your speedos, cause we're jumping in!
Chapter 0, it is 10:10am August 23rd for Jinwoo. He just turned off the TV, which had been announcing the very first maggot incident. It is implied that anywhere from months to year pass, and the world starts experiencing an insane amount of natural disasters, specifically earthquakes where Jinwoo lives.
It is August 23rd, at 10:10am, and Jinwoo is laying on the ground with a head injury and a sprain in his left ankle. He comes to and witnesses his fathers murder. How do I know that? I'm glad you asked! I know that because of 2 panels in ch.45 and two more panels in the chapter where Guwon "surprises" Jinwoo.
Flashback in ch.8, Jinwoo is a kid watching macho movies. It's August 23rd, at 10:10am. The 23rd is inferred, as the calendars specific date is omitted.
Every single instance in Dr. Lims office, it is usually night, and his calendar is on August 23rd.
Chapter 44, while Guwon is holding the hostage, top down panel shows a calendar. This is the only calendar we've ever seen in Guwons home. It's August 23rd.
Same night, Guwons last wish to go up the mountain one last time. He and Jinwoo leave the room at 8:27, and they arrive at the top. Guwon jumps with Jinwoo at 10:10pm.
August 23rd, first and only time we see a clockin Guwons home, it's 10:10pm, and Guwon offers Jinwoo to feel up his muscles.
9:40am August 23rd, Jinwoo is giving the school children and Guwon a simple 20 minute test. If we add an extra 10 for Jinwoo to collect and score those tests, it is 10:10am when Jinwoo realized Guwons lack of basic education.
Only once was a clocknot close to this time, which was at 4:06pm on the pink clockfor the children's school day ending. Jinwoo arrived at Guwons at 10:10pm later that night. Same night of the "touch my rippling abs, I know you want to".
OH, BUT WAIT, CAUSE DADDY FOUND MORE!!!
Guwon isn't fucking human, but I still don't know what exactly he is.
Chapter 2 or 3, Jinwoo goes to stab Guwon. Guwon catches this knife, with the blade slicing into his palm. I have firsthand (pun fully intended) knowledge of this specific injury. I had all four fingers on one of my hands sliced into when I was 2 years old. I was in the, fuck you I picked it up and it's mine now phase. My mother made the unfortunate mistake of grabbing the handle of the knife and trying to get me to release the blade. My response was tendons be damned, the blade side on this belongs to me, and YOU CAN HAVE IT WHEN YOU C... oh, would you look at that, I guess it's yours now. I required 2 stitches per finger, and stitches can take 2-3 weeks to heal.
So, tell me how a person with intent to harm, slices into another person's hand, and that person's hand doesn't have even a blemish the very next day.
The second time, was Jinwoo attempting to sever his own hand. The edge of the knife causes a deep laceration in Guwons forearm. You can teel how deep the cut is, due to the skin under the tattoos being paler. Not only would this have cut the skin, but it would have damaged tendons as well. This would not have been a simple 2-3 week heal session. And yet, the injury is nowhere to be found a few days later. Why do I think it was only days and not the weeks Jinwoo claims? It's due to the slight abrasion on Jinwoos cheek. It's still there weeks later, with the same hue and scratch pattern. And it was intentionally applied to every panel from that point onward.
Guwon nails himself in the head with his baseball bat (pun still intended), before executing the man trying to get meds for his sick child. He is given stitches and makes a comment about how he hopes Jinwoo won't hate the patch. The skin beneath the stitches looks healed. No redness or swelling. This was about a day later.
Guwon was hurt by the first gunshot, but after his initial response, he seems to brush off the wound. No one is really trying to rush him to the hospital for surgery, Guwon is still completely upright. No one acts like the shot to his left shoulder is life threatening when it absolutely would be, including Guwon. His life being at risk is only accepted when he is shot again in the same place from behind.
And lastly, and most damning of all, are the first panels we see of Guwon. Guwon is fully buried beneath the rubble of a fallen building, save one hand, and people were literally running around on top of that rubble. This would have killed anyone else, so tell me how Guwon surfaces from beneath that, WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A SINGLE SCRAPE!? Out of everything here, this is the one that is the most impossible, due to him being close to the surface with hundreds of pounds of both concrete and hundreds more of trampling weight from the people running over the area. GUWON SHOULD BE DEAD!!! Instead he immediately starts an almost 2 day journey by foot, straight to the Stillwater town.
And this is where the theories are starting from. Also, Guwon starts wearing the exact same ring as Jinwoo on his ring finger. So Guwon isn't human, but he is mortal, so some extent. The reason August 23rd matters, is that a calendar is an extremely important tool in the event of an apocalypse. Keeping track of seasons, means knowing how long someone has been sick, when to plant crops, what weather could be expected, animal migrations, travel times, etc. Why would every single calendar be the same day across 4 entirely separate calendars? Why waste such an insanely important tool?
Because none of them have noticed that the 23rd never seems to end, possibly because none of what they are experiencing is real. We know each person is an independent, as we get thoughts from their unique perspectives. We don't yet know how they all got stuck here together, or why Jinwoos beginning keeps restarting the illusion of the time loop. The date and time are so important that they keep repeating, even in Jinwoos childhood memories, so the day either paints itself over all others, like a weird time illusion, or the date being significant to either Jinwoo or Guwon changes the day by force, with the illusion there being time seeming to pass, when it is actually stood still at 10:10 on August 23rd.
My brain cells are fried, crispy BBQ style, so I really hope some of ya'll with fresh ones can utilize this info more!
This chapter gave me some frustration for the previous theory I made. So, my previous theory was that Guwons death was the start of loop. The idea being that his time would restart regardless of anything else. Unfortunately, the time loop starts with Jinwoo on the floor and his father dying. Meaning that any idea or possibly of Jinwoo being able to change the series of events prior to his father's and others deaths is not possible.
This could be that everyone's loop has a different restart time or that everyone's loop restarts when Jinwoo's does. It seems the author is hard leaning for the latter, and I am far less excited than I was last chapter. I'll explain.
If everyone had their own restart, Guwon would be a far more complex case of how much the human subconscious can take before it snaps, Guwons og death would be much harder to pinpoint, Jinwoo could have had far more complexity by making him a more gray character rather than just a victim of Guwon, Jinwoos father could have been given character deeper than the baseball bat in his skull, and every single character in the series would not only make more sense, but be equally as complicated as the MCs.
Something about Guwon still isn't adding up though. He recalls crawling out from beneath the collapsed building, then just walks straight to the town where he set up base. I am once again gonna need to reread this, just to refresh my memory, but I don't think he mentioned just wandering or trying to survive for a long time. He is also shown arriving at the town barefoot in the same clothes, and the town is empty. But, why? Like, when he resurfaced from beneath the rubble, there were other people running around in the background, showing this to be the start of when shit hit the fan. And given how he seemed to lack any injuries and was in the same clothes, why would a town that was cleary defensible already be abandoned? Hmmmm.
Please hold while a man rereads this series all over again.
Just so ya'll know, I damn near cracked my theorizing skull open on this series a while back, and the first thing that I noted was how Guwon, during the maggots becoming a massive issue, had literally crawled out from under the rubble of a building. At first, I thought he must have been a maggot as well, or something inhuman. But now, now his behaviors are clicking into place!
Guwon has done this before, so many times, that it's likely his body reacts on instinct when the cycle restarts. Why kill so many, but not those kids? Because the others caused the restart, likely many times over. It's very possible that the first iteration, Guwon did save and take in every survivor he could, but either due to betrayal or lack of reasources, he and the others died. It's possible that his subconscious remembers, which could explain his extreme difficulties sleeping, but his conscious doesn't. The two parts mixing together, means his conscious may have had unnecessary things stripped from it, so his more instinctive reactions could better navigate the world around him. Empathy? That's a luxury our survival can't afford this time if we intend to survive. This town is a great way to stay safe and is incredibly defensible, so we have to fill it with the right people, or we fail again.
Also, as an added theory, I think the hounds are likely also in the same kinda hell. The guys reaction to the full moon and his extreme urge that they needed to return, would make sense if Guwon had been a werewolf or something, but he isn't. Meaning that hounds subconscious also remembered something important.
It also explains more about the townspeople and their acceptance of the actions Guwon took. I had been wondering this whole time why none of the people there were actively trying to kill Guwon. Like, if someone killed my family in from of me, sure, I'd be scared, but I might risk death if it meant sending the man who took my everything to hell. But they not only didn't do that, but the townspeople didn't want Guwon dead either. This is most likely because they died shortly after Guwon did every cycle, so their subconscious knows that they need him alive.
What's more, those bodies likely are not every single cycle. I actually think they maybe be the most recent cycles, and that the reason this one keeps having the same ending, is due to Guwon repeating the exact same actions because this may have been the most content end he has ever had. He doesn't want to let it go, like me as a kid rewinding and replaying my VHS of The Last Unicorn.
Ohhh, this series has just shot to the top as one of my favs, and the author did an insane job on this plot! I really hadn't considered the idea that we were in a "What if the 11th School Trip, but more fucked?" situation! I'm hype to see where this goes!!!!
Also, something def off about our other MC. Bro also got serial killer vibes, but I am now wondering if that was his base or if he became that way due to the cycles.
But losing 90lbs in 4 months is a health crisis. I have ADHD, so I have meds for that. When I started one of the meds, I had to be taken off it, because I lost 13 pounds in a single month. My doctor was extremely concerned, and so was I, because I only lost so much because I literally couldn't eat due to nausea from my meds. Han dropped 90 in four months, which is 22.5 pound each month. And contrary to popular belief, Han at a health rate of losing weight, wouldn't look any different on the scales for quite a while, because muscle weights more than fat. At max, in 4 months, with healthy diet and exercise, Han should only have dropped 12-15 pounds in total.
And I worked out under an ex marine while in Job Corps, and it took 2 year for me to go from a US size 18 down to a snug 12, and went from 210 to 175. I'm 145-147 now, and wear a size 6. My meds help with curbing the excessive need to eat due to ADHD.
The cervix is not able to be penetrated unless it had been dialated at some point prior to intercourse, and the act would be fucking painful. Like, one of the most painful piercing types, is piercings done on cartilage, due to it being far more rigid than skin only piercings. The cervix is made of cartilage. I have gotten an IUD and Helix piercings, and the horror I went through when getting the IUD inserted, and hearing/feeling the same grinding/crunching sensation was visceral. Also, the opening of the cervix is 2-3 millimeters wide, but is tightly sealed shut. So this clear misunderstanding of AFAB anatomy drives me insane!
Other than that, I loved the chapter sir rapist can kindly fuck off and die! He is such a fucking nasty creep! Also, as a gay trans man, I love this series fucking much! Like, such a good representation of trans people! Cause Chani having always been male, then suddenly having a vagina isn't accurate, obviously, but his mixed feelings himself and his sexuality are actually pretty common.
Like, they seem to be selling recent chapters of "their translations" on a .com site and through a google app. How boned would our site be if they were taken down, with how many titles they keeping uploading "translations" to? Also, for any actual translators/uploaders, would it be feasible for any of you to upload at their rate, on so many titles, in a single year? Cause this "group" started this year, and it kinda feels like it may be AI "translations".
On their website, at least that's what it looked like. Decided to go there to see if it was gonna be full of ads, instead, got a you can unlock 1 of the recent chapters for 100 of their currency. They even have a .com domain and an app on google! IDK how this guy gonna get away with this. Also, I checked their mangago timeline for uploads, and they started this year, and are somehow uploading almost everything on this site now.
Click on the name of the uploader to go to their profile, click their home button, scroll down to their profile pic, and click the button below that that says, send mail. From there, bully away. Mythtoons and desire scans are both AI, kaizen might also be, but their scans are clean and legible, and I struggle to find grammatical errors. Spread this like wildfire, in every comment section with these scanners. They are shoving our actual translation groups off our site, making it a fucking mess to navigate almost any damn story.
I forget that no one outside of Sir Kin knows about ables strength returning. Able is fully capable of potshotting beasts his size and bigger, Norhox is the one in danger going into the Regas' den.
POGO KNOWS HOW TO WRITE WOMEN!!! This is true even for their past titles, btw! The women weren't the main characters, but they were able to be stand alone characters, who had thoughts, actions, and feelings that didn't have to revolve around the MCs. I have to go back and reread Lessa, cause there was a 3rd season, and I didn't know about it until recently!
Better get the opportunity to kill every last one of his rapists. I don't give a fuck about anyone but him, and I want to see him out here chopping off some dicks. But, given that this series is about sexualizing rape, I have 0 expectations.
Also, just so ya'll know, those of us with wombs don't just start seeping vaginal mucus in buckets, especially if we aren't turned on. Ugh, I wouldn't blame MC for just ending himself..
Please do! I need Lessa to get it's much deserved hype! This author is amazing!!!
I have been waiting on this man to learn of his predicament and start taking control of the actual power he has, and I am so fucking excited for him to finally start allowing himself to be nasty! Being a good person, doesn't mean you have to allow others to hurt you, even if they tell you it is based from love or devotion.
Who else hate reading this off the rails burning train wreck of a series, because it is somehow less crazy than IRL rn?
List is gone. I had over 26 pages of titles, and now I have only 46 titles in total, and I manually added some of those back myself. Needless to say, not happy about any of this.
Ok, so first things I will point out that I definitely seemed to get correct.
Little A is a test subject.
Milton did agree to let the center run tests on Milo. (Milo was likely terminal before the treatments ever started, and this was likely Miltons last choice)
G is trying to help the hybrids for selfish reasons, and that was why he wanted complete control of the farm, and why he was so livid at the idea of Little A's being the Manager.
NPC definitely sent the letter to call Little A to, as a hostage, to force Mr. A to return. I can't be 100% sure why, but I think his genes could hold a potential key to the very clear breeding project that the Center has.
The Center is trying to breed more hybrids, and is trying to gather DNA samples from them, as well as attempt to impregnate them.
Goose guy tried to kill himself. We actually see evidence of it in Kendricks flashbacks where he explained why they go by letters.
Now, onto the theories. NPC is either an AI robot, or another failed experiment. I believe this is the case, because Q calls NPC an AI and NPC doesn't have red blood. And we know this isn't a censorship thing, because they show either Q himself or one of the failed test subjects with bloody intestines falling out of his body, and Milo also cover in red blood.
G is a hen! Notice how we have never seen Glenn's hands or his ears? And how Glenn blanked out and found himself in the clinic? Remember Q teaching Little A about tonic mobility, and how easy it had been for Little A to command Kendrick? I think that is also the reason why Glenn reacts so viscerally to Kendrick laying eggs.
Next, I think it is possible that K and G could be siblings. I think it's possible, considering how hurt Glenn seemed by K specifically say things were his fault. But that could also be just guilt in general.
G was doing experiments on children under the Centers orders, and K worked as one of the nurses there. Somehow, the controlled experiments on Milo and the other children, spread to the people there the exact day that we see in Kendricks memories. We know this due to the clothes being worn be Milton and Milo in the background of that panel are the same set of clothes worn when they are going to leave the hospital to let Milo die in peace at home. We also know the infection spread, because the Dr we see in the room of the dying child, the two kids who were running past Kendrick, and Kendrick himself, all seem to have ended up at the farm! How do I know, the panel from Kendricks memories where he arrived at the farm, we see Milton, Milo, and 3 other individuals, whose hair colors and heights all are the same as the 3 people I mentioned who were at the hospital!
This is a 50/50, but Milo may not be Miltons son. The couple with the dying child from Kendricks memories are later overheard talking about how they intend to collect on the insurance payout from the child's passing, and how they will apply for another child soon. I think these parents and the ones for all the children there, are promised payouts for adopting experiments. The Center likely erases the records of these people having adopted the kids, (remember, NPC describes the Center as being like big brother), so these people can continue adopted these test subjects legally. What's more, this didn't start recently, all our main guys are just the most recent victims.
As my theory on Little A being a test subject were shown to be correct, I wanna say that I still believe Mr. A to be Little A's father, or potentially his birther (though the latter is a bit shaky for evidence). I think Little A may have been being conditioned to not like animals, but love them. The goat we often see in his memories, in the very first instance we see it, chapter one, the lamb appears to be dead. We actually see the lamb again later, in his dream after helping Kendrick lay his first batch of eggs. In that scene, the lamb is alive, but disappears when Mr. A hugs Little A. As Little A gets closer to consciousness, Mr. A gets replaced by the person who isn't his uncle again. I think this could potentially support the idea that Mr. A is Little A's dad, as the Center would want to erase any memories of the farm and those he was attached to, to try and get him to better attach to his "parents".
What's more, the picture of Little A, Mr. A, and the woman, and the first therapist visit, were all on the same day as the "Incident" Little A refers to. As well as every childhood memory he has. How do I know? Little A is wearing the same clothes in every single memory. This either indicates that it all happened at the same time, which the incident and the picture most certainly did (woman in the car ride has the exact same clothes as well as she did in the picture), or that Little A's memories, past the day of the incident, had been altered.
What's more, I still think Little A could be Mr. As birthed child, which if he had been hiding from the Center, would actually explain why Little A was so familiar with the storage room. Maybe Mr. A hid him in there to protect him from those coming by? And, I do believe that the farm had always been a hybrid farm.
I also think hybrids were never really meant to produce anything, I think they may have been getting made as sex toys for those in power. That's why they would be so willing to dispose of Kendrick, even though he was the first hybrid to ever produce anything. Isn't it odd how perfectly set up the Center was for selling hybrids, when Kendrick was the first to produce anything at all? And given how little Milo has aged, maybe a year or 2, that means it was maybe a year and a half at max, that Kendrick showed that any of the hybrids could make products. So why were they selling and making so many hybrids, if not for sex? And given that we see Kendrick being raped with toys by the Centers Drs, well... we can assume what it was for.
And, what more, the Center on realizing how Kendrick and then Milton both started producing products after starting to feel safe, may be implementing the treatment they receive at Mr. A's Farm, to get more products going. Why do I think that? NPC delivered "samples" of milk to the bus drivers. Problem is, Milton alone would not make enough milk for the cost it would take the center to carton said milk to be profitable. Meaning Milton is no longer the only hybrid producing milk now.
Oh, and that milk? I suspect whatever makes hybrids is contagious to some extent, and that the Center could be intentionally testing how human bodies react to products made by the hybrids. This would explain why it was handed to people in the local area to the farm, where the center can keep their eyes on their new test subjects.
Anyways, that's all I have for now! Hope ya'll enjoy the details and theories! I am still stupidly stoked I picked up on Little A being a test subject! Lol, fucking called it!!!! Hahaha!