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There was never any intention of a master/slave dynamic—it was supposed to be cowboy-on-cowboy—but there was an unfortunate slip-up involving a phrase that could have been avoided. In a different context—a different type of story and a *consensual* scenario—that phrase would have been appropriate, if you know what I mean (BDSM)

Mb ex slave x slave, cuz this makes it better ??

What does "mb" mean? English isn't my native language. Again? There was never any intention to have a couple involving, literally, a slave or an ex-slave.

Mb means my bad but still it looked implied by that last sentence and the mc was an ex slave owner tho we don’t know if the ml is really a slave we know that the mc is an ex slave owner

Very implied it was ex-slave pls if ur racist js end it all, if your not, Goodluck!

What makes you think that? I’m serious. Even though he’s of mixed race—the introduction explicitly states that—it’s possible he wasn’t a former slave. I looked it up; Black cowboys did exist, even if they had fewer rights. For heaven's sake, I’m not racist; can’t I express my point of view without getting slapped with that label?

He isn’t black so idk what you’re referring to, he’s half native American. And this story was never intended to be Cowboy x Cowboy, so I’m not sure where you got that from. It is slave x slave owner, nothing else.

"But his plans are completely upended when he meets Ezra, a cowboy..." -> Ezra, a cowboy... -> straight from the intro. It’s clearly written right there. And where does it say it’s a master-slave dynamic? From one damn throwaway line used just to be provocative? Who says he’s a slave and not just a regular worker? Do you think a slave would speak and act provocatively, given the historical context? Besides, Ezra refers to "my ranch," so how can anyone claim he’s a slave? Unfortunately, the dynamic isn't quite clear from the first chapter, and the explanation is missing. Also, Gerald actually freed the slaves—he paid them. But a lot of people still view him as racist, given the historical context. Even though he’s mixed-race (I don't even know if you're allowed to say that), he still doesn't have light skin (again, I don't know if that's the right way to put it, but bear with me), and we know that was an issue back then—especially considering the legacy involved.

Ezra is a slave, it was not his ranch. It was made very clear that Gerald inherited this ranch from his fathers, and Ezra was working there… as a slave... Gerald also did not free his slaves out of the kindness of his heart, it was made illegal to own slaves after the civil war. He isn’t one of the “good white saviours”, he freed them because he had to. Besides, giving them money and sending them into the wasteland alone to search for their families does NOT help them whatsoever, it may somehow look like “an act of kindness” to you but it wasn’t.

So why did he say "my ranch" here? Page 16, if the link doesn't open: https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/song_of_the_wasteland/uu/ibx_chapter-1/pg-16/
Maybe it was an act of kindness on his part—who knows? Besides, I think that even if it hadn't been abolished, he would have set them free anyway.

You are intentionally cherry picking lines from the story in a desperate attempt to justify a slave x master dynamic. Gerald very clearly states, before Ezra has even been introduced, that after the war all he was left with was the “Wasteland he inherited”. Meaning he owns the land the ranch is on. If that somehow isn’t clear enough for you, he then goes on to further confirm this by saying his father “poured our entire fortune into the war, leaving me with a mountain of debt, THIS RANCH, and about a hundred head of cattle”. Pages 7,8 and 10. Go reread the manhwa you’re trying so hard to defend. And you believing Gerald would’ve freed them and using that to prove he is a good guy really shows your belief in the white saviour trope. Even if he did free his slaves without prompting, the power imbalance is still significant. Ex-slave x slave owner is STILL just as problematic.

For crying out loud, it’s a damn work of fiction set against a real historical backdrop. It’s a work of fiction just like any other—whether in literature or on screen—where things aren't always portrayed with strict historical accuracy. How can you say he’s a slave? Based on skin color? The historical context? No one knows for sure because only a single introductory chapter has been released. Can I just say that this whole "white savior" thing is a massive pain in the ass? Maybe it’s wrong or racist, but damn it, it’s just a story. Why complain about that? It’s full of clichés and stereotypes. Racism here, racism there, and the whole master-and-slave dynamic—all based on just one damn introductory chapter. If the author had published two or three chapters and removed that one line, maybe it wouldn't have caused such a scandal. They might as well have made the protagonist a racist slave owner; at least then cancelling the story would have been justified. Under other circumstances, I’d give you a proper reply, but it’s 3 a.m. here, it’s sweltering, I’ve got period cramps, and I’m struggling to sleep. If you do reply, I’ll answer more politely later this afternoon.

You are projecting onto me, I never mentioned the slave line in any of my responses, however I will mention this later. I can pretty confidently say Ezra was likely a slave for a couple of reasons if you’d care to listen.
Number 1, like I said before, Gerald is the owner of the ranch, and none of the workers on that ranch were paid, meaning they were enslaved. What makes Ezra different? Why do you seem to believe he would be the singular person on that ranch who was getting paid for his work? There is no reason, and who would he have been getting paid by? Gerald was left severely in debt, and his father was too. They had no money to be able to pay Ezra anyway even if they wanted to.
Number 2, Ezra is of mixed heritage, you do realise what this insinuates happened to his mother right? Ezra’s mother was also likely enslaved, and taken advantage of; a horrific situation that was unfortunately very common, and very real.
Even if, by some miracle, Ezra wasn’t a slave on the ranch, it is STILL problematic, and I fail to understand how you aren’t comprehending this. He degrades himself through that last line, even if you believe he said it to be cheeky or to provoke a reaction, it is still incredibly harmful and appears to be making a mockery of a very real and horrific event. I do not care if it is fiction. I would hold any piece of media that made a mockery of any real event to the same standard. Making a yaoi bl love story out of SLAVERY and the CIVIL WAR is never right in any given context. When handling a sensitive subject like this, historical accuracy is of the utmost importance to show that one has thoroughly researched the topic they are exploring. It is clear JAXX didn’t, hence why they cancelled the manhwa and apologised. They knew they were in the wrong, and it is time you accept they were too. You brushing the story off by saying its “maybe wrong or racist” is dismissing everything myself and others have highlighted as problematic and therefore making you yourself appear problematic, I am not trying to come at you with any aggression, but simply trying to make you realise this manhwa premise was NOT okay, and there was no direction JAXX could’ve taken it that would’ve salvaged it.

I'll answer by numbering the various parts.
0. What fears, excuse me? There's a difference between a nuisance and a fear, mine is nuisance;
1. The owner was the father before, Gerald inherited it when his father died. There's no way of knowing what happened. Maybe in the story they were paid, albeit meagerly;
2. I repeat, there's no way of knowing. And I'm not defending slavery as you think; I'm basing this on what I've read.
Look, I accepted the deletion right away; I don't like some of the things that were said (see the death threats). She made a mistake in the sense of not doing her research properly and putting that phrase in. These mistakes don't make her racist, as they're making her out to be, and neither do we, who are defending her from threats.

Ey I actually get why u wouldn't want to read it. Then js don't. I do that w most of the grapy black flag stuff. Still, it's 1ch in and I was excited to see where the story was heading. YALL CANCELED IT B4 IT EVEN STARTED (I hv never seen any of those black manhwas, and yes, slaves stories already exist, get cancelled btw)

You are not merely defending her from threats, you are actively going out of your way to reply to commenters voicing their issues and challenging them. You say there is “no way to know” but the people on the ranch were literally referred to as slaves, and Ezra was referred to as the cowhand. In America, the cattle industry heavily relied on enslaving cowboys in the 1800’s as it was considered dangerous work. You denying what’s obvious is not because there’s “no way of knowing”, you just don’t want to admit Ezra was indeed a slave. Ezra being mixed native American and white, again, you say theres no way of knowing, but the power imbalance between indigenous Americans and white folk was too great for a respectable relationship then. Stop trying to dismiss this as fiction with your misinformation and instead go after those who are actually sending death threats to JAXX if you’re truly trying to protect her.

I still don't quite get the part about the fear. So why is the "cowboy" aspect specifically mentioned in the introduction? And consensual relationships certainly did exist, so it doesn't necessarily mean their mother or father was a slave.

Read this (keep in mind I'm using Google Translate and searching in my own language): Yes, consensual relationships between settlers, cowboys, and Native Americans did exist in the Old West, even though traditional historiography and Hollywood cinema have long concealed or romanticized these interactions. Beyond the inevitable and tragic conflicts, frontier life involved exchange, coexistence, and—in many cases—intimate unions and marriages. These relationships took various forms: Marriages of convenience and trade alliances: Especially during the fur trade era and in more remote areas, many settlers, trappers, and herders married Native women. For a cowboy or explorer, forming a bond with an Indigenous woman meant gaining protection, alliances with local tribes, and the skills needed to survive in a hostile environment. Frontier communities: Many white men who married Native women chose to live within Indigenous communities, adopting their customs and integrating into their way of life. Demographic diversity: It is important to remember that the stereotypical image of the white cowboy is incomplete. The role of the herder was often associated with hard, low-paying labor. Many cowboys were African American, Native American, or of Mexican descent, which fostered cultural exchange and interracial marriages across the Western territories. The role of Native culture: Many Native societies had matriarchal traditions in which women enjoyed significant autonomy and held considerable decision-making power within their clans. Some unions were formed based on these Indigenous traditions, which valued reciprocity and exchange.

I never said the word fear so I’m unsure what you’re talking about, which is why I didn’t address it in my previous message. If they were in a consensual relationship, it still doesn’t mean it’s inherently right. Again, like I said, the power imbalance is far too great in comparison to modern day relationships; if Ezra’s mother was not exploited, then how do you reckon he himself ended up as a slave? For the large part of early American history, interracial marriages were illegal and deeply frowned upon, and when legalised, they were still criticised. Acts like the “Act for the Government and Protection of Indians” stripped indigenous women of their rights, and throughout North America Indigenous women faced widespread non-stop colonial sexual violence from white settlers. Legally, if a native woman had a child, her child would be a free person. Ezra is not, meaning he was born into enslavement (“ partus sequitur ventrem”), thus meaning his mother was likely also a slave. Go defend JAXX against real threats.

Google Translate was turning that phrase of yours—"You are projecting onto me"—into "You are projecting your fears onto me," actually inserting the word "fear" into the mix. So, I think that part of the response caused a bit of confusion. Back in school, they used to tell us not to use Google Translate because it wasn't 100% reliable, haha. Sorry about the misunderstanding. On a more serious note, let's imagine the story had some "What if..." moments. What if he wasn't a slave at all—say, he works for the wealthy family because they had helped his own family out? It’s a silly example, I know, but I couldn't think of anything else.

I think it will be Seunghoon and Yeonsoo

Both of them have their flaws. I also don't like how they are right now, but that's what makes me want to stick with them and see the story through. I think the author will do a good job at that. I'm liking the plot so far(just not the characters lol, they're icky)

I totally agree, both of them barely have redeeming qualities

Just say you can't comprehend what you're reading.

uhm can you explain what I’m missing cause I guess I must not understand

Real

bro please tell me what I’m not getting must not get it

Why are we acting like Su ah was oblivious to himself being used they were both okay with aware of it and relatively fine with it. He never toyed with him and always stated what he wanted from him. It's Suah that always decided to take everything to far. I swear everyone reading has this great bias against the mc for something he can't even control. Also if you don't get what I'm saying I can go more in depth but I'm pretty sure I don't have to.

nah, he should tell him after aborting that child