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girl bye people not liking a character isn't a lack of media literacy. just throwing words around fr

Plot holes? Realistic? Excuse me but sometimes there plot holes for a reason. Like idk him sleep walking attempting to kill Gwon or cut his hand. As well when on top of the pile of corpses he says it feels familiar. This dude has either killed or attempted to kill someone.

As well we are hating MC because he is been dumb. He has a house a comfy lifestyle in a safe area where food and protection is given. Yeah it's insane but what better the man that will kill zombies for you or you killing them yourself. As well Gwong is massive and stupidly strong he is not human so betraying him is just a death sentence.

what?????

im not saying this, bc i agree w u but these ppl dislike the uke for the wrong reasons LMAOO

i think u missed majority of my point here <3

u a dumb ho

How? Explain please I will love if you elaborate on why I'm a dumb ho?

Than you can explain where did I missing the point I appreciate to get enlighten on the facts I'm not understanding.

firstly, plot holes aren't my main point of focus here. i brought up plot holes because they contribute to how well a story is being perceived and are just secondary evidence.

secondly, while i understand your point, the majority consensus is that plotholes are always used to describe something bad. what you're describing are things which are hopefully going to be explained later in the story. plot holes are more unfinished loops which provide 0 sense or contribution to the story

it’s the fact that you think people dislike the uke because of plotholes. that’s dumb. we don’t like him because he’s not making smart decisions. i never really cared about the plotholes in this story, but u dislike the uke because of the points sang was making

like people are allowed to dislike a character for whatever reason first of all. but it’s def not because the uke doesnt “fit bottom stereotypes” in this case

?? i dont think that nor have i said anything also ive no idea who sang is bru

im saying ppl dislike the uke because he doesnt fit the stereotype of a typical bottom and so ppl dont understand his character

it literally is im crine

idc abt what n who ppl dislike im stating that judging by the comments people dislike him bc hes not a typical uke

I am sang. We understand he is not the cookie mold uke and we don't care about that. What we are complaining is he is being stupid. Be it a seme/uke or alpha/omega or whatever it is they are being plain stupid. He is on the level of character from a horror movie stupid. Instead of idk staying calm and not poking the bear he is setting on fire the bear.

Think for yourself in their situation. what would you do? Will you stay put and just accept the daily food and protection or go out there and die?

dude .. im not gonna say this again. if you are not part of the people who dont care that he doesnt fit the mould, THIS POST IS NOT FOR YOU

also he is not PLAIN STUPID if he has cptsd/memory loss. sure his decisions r weak but they are affected by a mental condition

son i have cptsd irl im not gonna sit here n pretend id be hooting and hollering for myself bc its hard enough as it is

Okay and? We are just telling you nobody cares he doesn't fit the mold.

We are mad at him for his decision making. We don't care if he has memory loss, plot armour or whatever the fuck. HE is doing stupid decisions.

Every single one of us that has commented on this post is telling you that non of us fucking care of his appearance only he is been an idiot.

Are you sure you're not the one with bad media literacy?

starting off with 'okay and?' n then asking if i have bad media literacy LMAOOO ure joking

ur point is so asscheeks im not gonna continue this conversation any further. you disregarding his memory loss and PTSD and calling his decisions stupid still, give me all i need to know.

i dont even understand what you mean by the third line; and i have debated every person here with only 2 ppl garnering a response.

so, no, i'm not the one with bad media literacy. learn how to fucking read cretin xx

learn some lack of accountability, you can’t read and you can’t have a proper conversation about a point YOU made. it’s okay to admit you’re loud and wrong, not every is as smart as they think bro

As the saying says.

"Wisdom has been chasing you, but you have always been faster"

Those who don't wish to listen will stay in ignorance.

omfg u people genuinely dumb as fuck ?? how am i wrong about a point i made if thats the argument im presenting and a conversation happens between 2 or more people. also learning a 'lack of accountability' is bad because it means i should avoid my mistakes

LMFAO pick up a book

says the bitch starting off with 'okay and?'

"Wisdom has been chasing you, but you have always been faster" - Uncle Iroh.

dumb asf

i think everyone under this comment section is missing the entire point of what the original poster was saying; its not about the uke’s looks, no one was ever discussing that it was in regards to the ukes mindset.

its been made evidently clear that the uke is MENTALLY ILL, and i dont know if y’all know what that means, but MENTAL illness; meaning it affects your cognitive abilities, meaning… it WILL affect the decisions you would make.
you all are shitting on a mentally ill person, whether that be intentionally or not, its important to understand that he will not make the same decisions as you would or as you believe are “less stupid”.

His lack of memory, his cptsd, the environment hes in, all of these factors will affect the decisions he makes its basic psychology.
I believe this adds depth to his character, a lot of times BAD writers include mental illness in characters without ever fully seeing it throughout and only mentioning it when it is convenient, so its refreshing to see otherwise.

if you are hating on the uke with full understanding as to WHY you are hating them, by all means go ahead? You don’t have to like a character?? this comment just never applied to you in the first place?
But you cannot comment here acting like the lack of literacy isnt prominent in spaces nowadays and that this was an invalid comment to make.

FINALLY SOMEONE WITH THE ABILITY TO READ YESYEYSYEYSYES

I have autism, ADHD, and severe trauma, which can sometimes lead to aggression and self-harm. However, I'm usually capable of understanding when someone is acting foolish.

If it wasn't about appearance, why bring up the cookie-cutter reference? Regardless, the explanation and wording weren't very clear.

We were not invalidating the comment in itself; we were giving our opinion regarding what it was written and understood. As well, we did try to keep it civil, but someone started to believe they were high and mighty.

"I understood your point, but what I'm trying to say is that..." Was that too hard?

After rereading the comments a bit, i believe that it was you lot who brought up the topic of appearances (and made the reference to “cookie-cutter”). In addition to this, its not only appearances that have been cookie-cuttered I’ve seen so many ukes with the same personality over and over again, and i believe that is the point. To me it was especially clear that the conversation topic that the OP brought was revolving around mental disorders, I’ve definitely seen people disregarding them entirely, which is what it looked and sounded like on your part from the way you articulated yourself.

OP aside, i have issues with the way you worded yourself, saying you don't care that he has memory loss or ptsd and claiming right after that “HE is doing stupid decisions”; are these two things not interchangeable? his memory loss and ptsd.. IS what affects his stupid decision making? frankly it sounds very disregarding in my point of view.

You can continue to hate and be frustrated with the MC as you wish, but me personally i find interest in him because of his flawed decision making as it directly reflects the implementation of these mental disorders into his character (which as i said, often isn't seen through properly). I too have adhd, autism and I study psychology, i enjoy the more accurate portrayal of mental disorders for how they affect a person in their daily lives and believe kudos should be given to the writer for that!! (this paragraph consists of not arguments but my own opinions on why i enjoy the characters:>)

I see then I apologize about it. Seems I was wrong. I do understand what you mean regarding that he is flawed.

Its just annoying to watch like you know it will cause more harm than good so we just want what's the best outcome for MC.

The reason I don't care about his mental health is due to with or without it his reaction and reasoning are flawed in a way most don't would actually react to. If it's PTSD he has one heck of a way dealing with it being attempting to kill someone or mutilation. But I don't think that's it's PTSD I think that goes way back. If remembering properly he was heavily injured even before been found and his father seem to have a paranoid face. Either he has been with the wrong mindset since day one or he is been a hypocrite.

aw it took u an entire essay to understand

wait nvm i read ur post fully u still cant read LMAO

wanting the best outcome has nothing to do with the points you've raised today. you clearly do not understand what they nor i mean by him being flawed because you disregard his flaws.

i'm not going to fully explain every single mental disorder he probably has because i cba and google's free but you are still completely missing the point. If one is traumatised by something, you'd be surprised to see the LENGTHS THEY'D GO TO to avoid being in the same situation majority of the time. with C-PTSD, it often comes with emotional dysregulation and negative self-worth. yes, these issues are not directly addressed in the story but you can gauge them from his actions, his relationships and dialogue.

if you believe it goes 'way back' how in gods green earth can he be a hypocrite?? he's not faking his illness thats for sure

also, i find it comical that in response to someone else, you brought up having trauma ADHD and autism, yet you disregard the uke's mental illnesses. why would you bring up yours? you're the real hypocrite LMFAOOO

in fact, no! it was not! because look what i told you in one of my responses:

'firstly, plot holes aren't my main point of focus here. i brought up plot holes because they contribute to how well a story is being perceived and are just secondary evidence.

secondly, while i understand your point, the majority consensus is that plotholes are always used to describe something bad. what you're describing are things which are hopefully going to be explained later in the story. plot holes are more unfinished loops which provide 0 sense or contribution to the story'

'secondly, while i understand your point' HMMM.. do you have memory loss too?

This is a such a interesting way to think. Idc if u like the mc or not or guwon because it doesn’t affect me, but, we quite literally would not have a story if he just stayed happy in the “town.” Like the story has to go places and characters have to evolve babes. Imagine how boring the story would be if he just sat still and played teacher

Dude, I accepted I was wrong. WTF more do you want?
That I feel pity on someone I don't care about?
Didn't you say you would stop responding because you thought we were too dumb? Because if you are so amazing with literature, why succumb to the low standards or those you consider stupid?

I understand that but I'm so fed up with using the danger outside than the inside ones. Because Kwon is the most interesting character for me personally wish to get his perspective.

As well I understand they need to move the plot so they can grow and have development. Maybe I just for once I want one Yaoi in a apocalypse where the problem is not outside but inside. Like in alien stage new zombie alternative universe.

I want to know more of the lore than the characters themselves.

because i love beating down on people and im suuuuper shallow so i get off on being better

also! because you didnt admit it to ME. you were jumping at MY throat.

Yeah, no. I may be an idiot, but I have enough brain cells to say I'm not sorry. To anyone else, yeah, but to you, it feels like insulting the word. So good luck getting my apology.

calling someone dumb but you sittin here lookin stupid in these comments…

like you do know that the side you’re defending in an argument can be wrong…right? i’m saying you need to learn accountability because your og comment didn’t make any sense but you kept deflecting when we said something about it. like this is embarrassing for you truly

preach !!

no its not tbf however i understand that at first, it may have been unclear. after others have commented on it, i wrote long responses further developing my points. if you both don't understand after that, then it's not my problem. and it's not my point being unclear considering someone wrote a lengthy response in my defence. someone who clearly understood me.

also you said 'learn a lack of accountability', not 'learn accountability'. there's nothing to be held accountable for on my side anyway <3

jump

hello…learn accountability and learn your lack of accountability mean the same thing, at the end of the day you’re still not owning up that you didn’t present your argument well!

and i didn’t even understand your side until someone else had to come under and explain it. it sounded like you were upset at people for not liking the uke because he didn’t behave the way we wanted and called it a lack of media literacy. i said 1) that’s not what media literacy means and i still stand on that, and 2) people are allowed to dislike a character for whatever reasons. this character isn’t acting in a way that other people would recommend, DUH if he kept quiet and demure then that means there’s no story, but i’m still allowed to not like the decisions he’s making

like you literally needed someone else to fight your battle because you can’t articulate and you sound like a 12 year old online saying “jump” and all this hostile shit. lock in bro

learn YOUR lack of accountability does not mean the same thing as learn accountability, that is genuinely smth u can find on google. secondly, you said 'learn some lack of accountability' the first time which makes 0 sense and contradicts your point

?? again, i am not coming for anyone who doesnt like him personally. this is fiction i literally dgaf. im stating the fact that people dont like him for the wrong reasons and actually, you understood my point perfectly well. people dont like the uke because he doesnt make the standard behavioural choices u see in other bl and it is bad media literacy because, as u see w sang, people completely disregard his mental illnesses. he is fleshed out as a character and people can't get behind that for some reason

if someone came on here explaining my point then its clear they understood it im crine and i can articulate myself just fine. idk what language i gotta speak to get it thru to bitches like u n the other one. secondly, i wouldnt be hostile at all if the situation wouldnt call for it. im locked in x