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Started as a manhwa reader, got impatient, and read the novel on a whim. Suddenly became a die-hard fan of the Passion series. I think the manhwa is GREAT, but it also left out a lot of details that really deepen the characters and the story. Ofc, it’s difficult to adapt every detail, but reading the novel totally changes A LOT about my initial opinion of the story. Though it was ROUGH start in Passion, Diaphonic symphonia and passion: suite shows great progress of their relationship and sweet moments too.

[Novel]

The best way to describe the novel is that it really plumbs the depths of human nature, it’s psychologically nuanced and it’s so fucking addicting to read. Never have I ever loved and understood characters (mainly Taeui)so damn much. Hard to believe it was written more than 20 years ago. And those who called Taeui naive and stupid clearly either don't understand human psychology or the story well enough.

Taeui (MC) was a lot more miserable in the novel; just as the title ‘passion’ meaning sth like ‘suffering’ in Korean suggested, I can clearly feel his pain and confusion. What you see in the manwha is just the surface.

The novel displayed more of those tiny yet significant details of each character, and their feelings. Every one of the characters is really well written, realistic, and rich in character depth, fitting the harsh environment and story setting. Every character is much more in-depth in the novel. Although Ilay was an absolute menace to society and did terrible unjustifiable shit to both Taeui and other people, Ilay probably got the most character development along with Taeui.

People often complain that they DON’T UNDERSTAND the story/plot but it’s mainly because we’re seeing it from Taeui’s pov who was also confused as he was undervalued all his life, living in his genius brother’s and uncle’s shadows; he just got discharged, unemployed; his brother left their home leaving Taeui all alone; then suddenly he got thrown into a power struggle by his uncle, unknowingly being used for benefits and treated unfairly and like an object by people, including his very own uncle! Or sometimes people read illegible translation or just lack reading skill. Plot slowly unfolds, ladies and gentlemen, not given to you from the start.

Getting ridiculed for nepotism eventhough his uncle put him up to it and got shunned/hated by almost everyone just because he was doing his job for a man people hated. Thinking he’s building good relationships only to find out one(Xinlu) approached him for benefits(lucky charm) and out of hatred for someone else(Ilay) (refusing to lose to Ilay) and another (Ilay), whom he thought actually liked him for being himself, actually considered him like a toy for amusement or sex, kept him bc he’s Chang-in’s nephew/Jae-ui’s gilsangcheon, and knowingly watched as he was amused Taeui got played like a puppet in his uncle’s grand scheme.

The amount of mental/physical exhaustion and betrayal one after another started to really drive him insane as he desperately tried to calm himself down every time. He always tried to look on the bright side rather than hating people because he said it drains him more to hate than to like someone.Taeui slowly and finally broke down in the novel was much more painful than it was in the manhwa. The scene where he had a head-splitting headache from realizing the truths really broke me bro He kept taking painkillers(still can't sleep and can't stop the pain), mumbling in pain ‘my head hurts it hurts…’ , then running into Ilay just for Ilay to laugh at him and tell him THAT HE’S OVERLY SENSITIVE AND TOLD HIM NOT TO EXAGERATE TO MINOR ISSUES? BRO— Ilay kissed him gently after saying those words to him as if it was nothing! Taeui realized that his whole existence and feelings were not taken seriously by this man after Taeui had somewhat believed that Ilay kinda was fond of him.

Throughout the first novel, I noticed details in Taeui’s thoughts where Taeui had always liked Ilay in some way and always had some hope/beliefs in him. Just for Ilay who wasn't even aware of his own growing feelings, to push Taeui to his absolute limit because he was both intrigued/confused about why Taeui cared about him and decided to depend on the assumption that Taeui would never hate people being the people lover he was. Taeui was more disappointed in Ilay than he was in Xinlu. Though Taeui knew not to have faith in an inhumane guy, he still unconsciously did. Ilay went ahead and literally shattered every hope and faith Taeui placed in him.

When s.1 suffered so much while bottling everything, they’ll eventually break down even at the seemingly tiniest things. Taeui snapping, running away really gave himself an actual break FROM EVERYTHING and made Ilay realize how valuable Taeui actually was to him. Ilay was so confused why Tae hated him when he treats him so well (by his own (Ilay) standards), but slowly make an effort to try harder to understand Taeui which is NOT sth he normally does. Later, Taeui get used by his uncle AGAIN to find Jaeui, kidnapped, forced into sex, being confined, losing his dignity in front of Gable, people fighting over him regardless of how he feels, getting threats, hating himself for liking Ilay and struggling to understand both himself and Ilay( I have an explanation for this), getting confined/insulted by Rahman, finding out his brother’s hidden struggles, get labeled a fugitive, and going back to Ilay just to get gloves shoved in his mouth… It’s a ROUGH life for Taeui. ╥﹏╥

I would say Ilay is both worse and better in the novel. His actions contradict his words, his expression contradicts his words, his behavior contradicts his inhumane trait, his desperation contradicts his care-free traits/threats…I find it enjoyable scrutinizing every details. I could even say that most people who loves Ilay are because he’s a hot madman or you’re falling in love with ‘Ilay’ from Taeui’s pov; Ilay only treated Taeui well you see… (and he’s still terrifying from Taeui’s pov). Imagine seeing from others' POV a wealthy powerful German madman covered in blood cracking people’s necks with bare hands with a smile on his face in a 9v1 with you as his next victim. Idk why but I feel like his angry voice was already intimidating enough in English but imagine angry Ilay speaking German, a language that sounds even rougher and more intimidating. (⊙…⊙ )

His character is really complex to put into words, but it fits so well with the story and is consistent, too. The novel shows a lot of details of his character, actions, and feelings despite being an inhumane guy. As you read, you hate the character but simultaneously, you also understand them and their human nature. This is how Taeui felt towards the people around him eps towards Ilay.

[Chang-in]

Actually, the novel describes way more about Chang-in. I feel like his character was indeed manipulative but Taeui and possibly Jaeui, too, sort if knew and feel how his uncle was scheming things and only follow his uncle because Taeui’s a kind guy who trusted his uncle because they’re family. While Jaeui probably didn’t know what else to do anyway, going to a place where he can research was better and plus his uncle seem to wanted it, too, so he just goes along with it. He’s def the selfish type who prioritizes himself and his position at work, but his character is much deeper than just that. I don’t think they included it in the manhwa, but novel describes how Chang-in grew up as a genius and was disappointed in himself when he got in a gifted education program or sth and he felt like he was just was on a mediocre level among other geniuses. But his second disappointment in himself when he witnessed just how great of a genius Jaeui was. Uncle was envious and so does everyone including Taeui.(Taeui said he was envious too but more towards the luck part.) But uncle and Taeui still loves Jaeui. Chang-in goes on to mention how much burden he himself felt with HIS LEVEL of intelligence, but seeing Jaeui’s LEVEL, Chang-in wonder how much burden Jaeui feel and vowed to help him with whatever path he choses. But ofc his work probably comes first. Oh, I also discovered that Kyle went to the same gifted school? Wtf I didn’t not know that. Then Ilay is probably gifted or smart, too, based of how Ilay can understand Jaeui’s blueprint at ten years old, calling it impressive.

Anyway, there’s a lot more to each character than what’s portrayed in the manhwa.

[Manwha]

The manhwa, on the other hand, shows more of Ilay’s feeling through his expressions and eyes which we rarely get to understand through imagination alone using Taeui’s perspective. Most of the time, Passion is written according to what TAEUI sees. Ilay is an act of service dude, not a word of affection type of guy. Noticed how other people just kinda knew how Ilay was fond of Taeui without Ilay outright saying it? Even Chang-in, Kyle, Rita, peter kinda notice how different Ilay looked at Taeui. Or maybe Taeui was used to ‘that soft’ look from the beginning. Aside from the first name thing, I’m sure we all see how Ilay looked at Taeui from the manhwa with those gentle gaze from the start while Taeui was busy doing his own things only starting to closely observe the looks way later. (Ofc Ilay feelings intensifies later on too)

Thank you Gangjak-nim for the gorgeous art and great depiction of their expressions. The artist drew small details that even most reader overlooked. (I like to read one of the fan comment scrutinizing and explaining every chapter haha) I like to look at details like Ilay squinted smiling eyes, Ilay’s gentle expression, Taeui’s nice body, Ilay carefully holding up or tending to Taeui’s injured leg, a punch from the SUPERHUMAN ILAY that used his left hand instead of his right one to knock Taeui preventing him from going to Xinlu without bruising Taeui, Taeui's pretty crying face, Ilay’s karmic miserable expression…Man I love the art. I especially like how Taeui look during the mirror scene and Ilay when he was in the detention section or in the hotel lobby after finishing work in UNHRDO. Unlike the novel that depicts characters through words that are mostly left to imagination, the manhwa depicts Ilay’s expression especially well since he’s not a character that shows his feelings through words often but rather actions and expressions.

[Opinion]

People may ask struggle to understand why Taeui went back to or like Ilay. I think I can explain but that's too long. So maybe later. But I can confidently say that although Taeui developed feelings for Ilay, he never justifies the terrible things Ilay did to him nor does he ever forgive him for what he did to him. He always brings it up throughout the novel, saying that it's a bad memories that leaves a bad taste in his mouth. And would often frown or felt down when he was reminded of it.

I get where those who say ALL people who like PASSION support grape are coming from but they are not getting it right. I’m not speaking for all, but I can say that many read solely for the psychologically wrenching and well written characters/plot that depicts REALISM in that environment. Ilay def got his karma throughout the novels for what he did, suffering and feeling anxious/insecure about Taeui’s feelings even after years. It’s like liking a journal book that takes place in a harsh setting depicting terrible things that happened to them, only for people to say that you only supported what happened to them. I love Taeui with all my life. If I become a granny with dementia, Taeui would be a name that I would remember.

I mainly love how all the characters are so unique and CONSISTENT throughout the story (the novel depicts it really well with characters personalities/nature). Man, I’m amazed at how the author is able to keep the characters’ characters so consistent and they actually has their own personality and differences, making decisions that goes along perfectly with their character instead of writing just to please the readers. The characters development are befitting their human nature and personality too. I like how the characters don’t change overnight and instead it takes at least 1 whole book for changes. From terrible characters that most hate like Ilay, uncle chang-in, Richard, Rahman…etc. I would agree that they are DESPICABLE in many ways, but damn the characters are so well-written. Personally, I love characters with flaws that grew forward, because even actual human are imperfect beings to begin with.

Thanks for taking the time to read. I wrote all of this because I was bored and passionately obsessed. I just felt like encouraging people who might want to read the novel.

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*I'll assume anyone reading this had already perused through the existing chapters, so I'll add a spoiler.



No More Eurydice is, at its most superficial level, a psychological BL manhwa situated within the rarefied and often merciless milieu of classical music. Yet to regard it merely as a story about an exceptionally gifted pianist and his complicated relationship with his mentor would be to underestimate the extraordinary density of its underlying psychology and symbolism.

The title itself provides the interpretive key through which the work can most productively be understood. By invoking Eurydice, the mythological figure whose attempted retrieval from the underworld culminates in irreversible loss, the narrative establishes from the outset an opposition between remembrance and continuation, between the desire to recover the past and the necessity of relinquishing it. The familiar myth of Orpheus is, fundamentally, a tragedy of retrospection: Orpheus is permitted to lead Eurydice out of the underworld on the condition that he does not look back at her until they have reached the world of the living. His inability to trust that she is truly following him culminates in the glance that destroys the possibility of reunion.

No More Eurydice takes that premise and reforms it. Its characters are repeatedly confronted by the temptation to look backward—to interpret the present through the wounds of the past, to seek in another person the restoration of something irretrievably lost, and to mistake emotional repetition for the process of healing. Consequently, the central conflict is not merely whether two people can love one another, but whether they can do so without transforming one another into repositories for unresolved desire.

At the heart of the narrative stands Han Garam, whose development constitutes one of the series' most compelling explorations of artistic identity. Garam enters the world of elite classical music possessed of considerable talent and an almost consuming desire for excellence. Music is not merely an occupation for him. It is the principal axis around which his conception of selfhood revolves. His ambition is therefore both his greatest source of vitality and his greatest vulnerability. He does not simply wish to become a good pianist. He wishes to become extraordinary, and this desire renders him peculiarly susceptible to someone such as Kim Heejae.

Heejae embodies the artistic ideal toward which Garam aspires. He possesses the mastery, reputation, authority, and brilliance that Garam imagines will constitute the endpoint of his own development. This is where the psychological risk lies; Heejae does not initially need to force Garam into submission because Garam already possesses the desire that Heejae can manipulate. The young pianist voluntarily places himself within the orbit of a man whom he believes possesses the knowledge necessary to transform his potential into greatness.

Thus, the relationship between them is founded upon an insidious form of asymmetrical power. Heejae's authority is not entirely fraudulent. He genuinely possesses extraordinary artistic insight, he genuinely recognizes aspects of Garam's ability that others fail to perceive. This is what renders his treatment of Garam considerably more disturbing. His methods can produce results. His criticisms can contain truth. His demands can, at least superficially, contribute to Garam's development.

The relationship consequently inhabits an ethically uncomfortable space in which benevolence and violence become difficult to disentangle.

Heejae can simultaneously be correct about Garam's potential and profoundly wrong in the manner through which he attempts to cultivate it.

This ambiguity is central to the psychological sophistication of the work. It examines what occurs when pedagogical authority becomes psychologically entangled with dependency. Heejae increasingly becomes implicated in Garam's understanding of what it means to simply be.

Garam begins to experience Heejae's recognition not merely as professional validation but as confirmation of his own existence. Once a person's sense of self-worth becomes contingent upon the approval of another, criticism ceases to be criticism alone.

This is why Garam's development cannot be reduced to the conventional trajectory of a gifted protagonist overcoming an oppressive mentor. His central struggle is more intimate and considerably more difficult. He must learn to distinguish between devotion to his art and devotion to the person who taught him how.

Garam's tragedy is not that he is incapable of recognizing suffering. On the contrary, he recognizes it and repeatedly accepts it because he has internalized the belief that extraordinary achievement demands extraordinary sacrifice. His willingness to endure pain is therefore not simply evidence of passivity, but an extension of his ambition. This is essential because it preserves Garam's agency.

Heejae undoubtedly exercises enormous psychological influence over him, but Garam's attachment to that influence cannot be explained solely through coercion. There is a portion of Garam that actively desires what Heejae represents. He wants transcendence. He wants mastery. He wants to become someone whose musical ability exceeds ordinary limitations. Heejae therefore does not invent Garam's obsession. He recognizes it, cultivates it, and ultimately exploits it.

In this sense, the relationship becomes tragic because both characters contribute to its formation, but neither fully understands the extent to which the two will eventually become inseparable.

~Kim Heejae and the pathology of retrospection.

If Garam's character arc revolves around the acquisition of autonomy, Heejae's revolves around his inability to disentangle the present from the past.

Heejae is one of the most psychologically compelling figures in the narrative, because his cruelty cannot be satisfactorily explained by reducing him to a conventional archetype of a "tyrannical genius". He possesses genuine tenderness, genuine vulnerability, genuine artistic sensitivity, and genuine capacity for attachment. Yet these qualities do not neutralize his capacity for manipulation.

For him, pain becomes evidence of seriousness. Discipline becomes indistinguishable from deprivation. The resulting ideology is self-perpetuating: suffering produces artistic intensity; artistic intensity is interpreted as evidence that suffering is necessary; suffering is therefore inflicted upon others in the belief that it will produce comparable greatness. This circularity of his logic is what makes Heejae so tragic; his damage has become methodology. His grief has become pedagogy.

Heejae is fundamentally a character haunted by the past. He repeatedly attempts to recreate or recover it through his relationships with people in the present. He consequently risks treating other human beings not as autonomous individuals but as vessels through which an earlier emotional actuality might be reconstructed.

Garam becomes someone through whom Heejae can potentially reproduce elements of his own past.

The relationship between Garam and Heejae derives much of its complexity from the fact that it cannot be comfortably categorized as either purely romantic or purely abusive. It encompasses tenderness and violence simultaneously. Heejae recognizes Garam's artistic potential with extraordinary precision. Garam, in turn, gradually becomes capable of perceiving the emotional foundation beneath Heejae's exterior.

They therefore possess an intimacy that neither character entirely experiences with other people. To be deeply understood by another person can constitute one of the most profound forms of intimacy imaginable. But to be understood by someone who also possesses power over you is a double-edged sword. The person who recognizes your vulnerabilities can either protect them or exploit them.

Heejae does both.

Neither character possesses complete control, and neither remains entirely powerless. The balance of power continually shifts as their emotional dependence upon one another intensifies.

Initially, Garam requires Heejae because Heejae represents artistic authority. Eventually, however, Heejae begins to require Garam because Garam becomes emotionally significant. The student therefore gradually acquires a form of power over the mentor that cannot be measured in terms of institutional authority. The paradox is beautiful and terrible.

Garam's transformation: from object to subject. One of the most significant developments in Garam's characterization is his gradual movement from being the object of another person's expectations toward becoming the subject of his own desires.

Early Garam is intensely future-oriented. He wants to become something. Later Garam becomes increasingly conscious of what he has already become. Garam initially understands himself through aspiration: I will become great; I will become worthy; I will reach the level of the people I admire. He then is confronted with a different narrative: If I achieve greatness according to someone else's definition, will I actually become myself?

This is why his relationship with Heejae cannot simply end with Garam rejecting him. Such a conclusion would be incomplete. Heejae has become too deeply embedded within Garam's conception of art and identity.

Garam must therefore accomplish something considerably more difficult than separation. He must differentiate. He must be able to love without surrendering autonomy. This is the more mature form of independence that the narrative gradually gestures toward.

Youngjo and the possibility of an ordinary life. Youngjo functions as an important counterpoint to Heejae because he represents a different conception of intimacy.

Where Heejae's relationship with Garam is characterized by intensity, artistic extremity, hierarchy, and entanglement, Youngjo introduces the possibility of affection that is not predicated upon suffering. His significance therefore extends beyond his immediate role within the romantic narrative.

Youngjo represents an alternative ontology of love.

He implicitly asks whether Garam could exist as a person rather than as an artist; whether he could be desired without first proving his worth through extraordinary achievement; whether intimacy could be comforting rather than impairingg.

The difficulty, however, is that Garam is not psychologically neutral. He has already been conditioned to associate intensity with significance. The human tendency to mistake emotional volatility for depth.

A relationship characterized by extreme highs and lows can feel profound because it produces profound sensations. Stability, by comparison, can appear emotionally impoverished. The narrative therefore investigates not whom Garam loves, but what his psychological conditioning has taught him to recognize as love.

The characters frequently struggle to articulate their emotions directly. Music therefore becomes the medium through which internal states are displaced into something tangible. This is particularly appropriate because musical performance is inherently paradoxical.

It requires control yet produces emotional vulnerability. It disappears immediately after it is performed yet can remain unforgettable. In this respect, music resembles memory itself. A performance cannot literally be recovered. Once the play has finished, it exists only through recollection. One may reproduce the same composition, but one cannot reproduce the original composition exactly.

This parallels the characters' relationship with their own past. They can revisit it. They can reinterpret it. They can perform it again. But they cannot return to it unchanged.

Taken to an extreme, they can also facilitate self-erasure. Heejae occupies this boundary. He understands discipline so completely that he risks forgetting the human being whom discipline is supposed to serve. At what point does the pursuit of excellence cease to enlarge the self and begin to consume it?

The series does not condemn ambition, nor does it romanticize mediocrity as an antidote to suffering. Whether artistic greatness can exist without requiring the destruction of the person who creates it.

Eurydice represents the lost object that another person attempts to retrieve in order to repair themselves. From this perspective, almost every major character can become Eurydice.

A deceased loved one can be Eurydice.

A lost relationship can be Eurydice.

A former self can be Eurydice.

A vanished artistic ideal can be Eurydice.

Even innocence can become Eurydice.

What matters is not the identity of the object but the psychological act of attempting to retrieve it. It can be interpreted as a refusal to allow another person to become the embodiment of something lost.

The Orpheus myth provides the narrative with an unusually precise metaphor for grief because grief is fundamentally paradoxical.

To remember is necessary, but to remain permanently oriented toward what has been lost is to risk becoming incapable of occupying the present, Heejae embodies this paradox. His past gives his present meaning, but it also imprisons him within a redundant emotional structure. The tragedy is that he cannot allow remembrance to remain remembrance—He needs the past to become present again.

Orpheus loses Eurydice because he cannot tolerate uncertainty about her presence. He looks backward to reassure himself that she is still there, and the very act of looking destroys the future he was attempting to reach.

Heejae similarly risks destroying the present through his insistence upon recovering the past.

One of the most compelling questions surrounding Heejae is whether understanding his past can constitute redemption.

The narrative's answer appears considerably more complicated than a simple yes or no. Psychological explanation is not moral exoneration. A person's wounds may explain their behavior without absolving them of responsibility for that behavior.

Heejae can be profoundly wounded and still be responsible for the wounds he inflicts. He can genuinely love Garam and still manipulate him. He can have suffered enormously and still become an agent of suffering.

Indeed, the tragedy of his character lies in his capacity to reproduce the structures that damaged him. He has transformed victimhood into methodology, reenacting his past.

Therefore, any meaningful redemption would require more than an apology or an acknowledgment of trauma.

He would have to stop asking how to make a person become what he needs.

Ultimately, No More Eurydice is less interested in whether its characters love each other than in whether they understand what love requires.

Garam's development is so important to the series' eventual emotional resolution. He must learn how to encounter Heejae without allowing Heejae to determine the boundaries of his identity.

Likewise, Heejae cannot merely be loved by Garam. He must learn how to love Garam without transforming him into an emotional substitute for someone or something that preceded him.

No More Eurydice ultimately derives its power from the convergence of three forms of longing: the artist's longing for perfection, the lover's longing for another person, and the grieving person's longing for what can never be restored.

Garam embodies the first longing, and gradually becomes entangled with the second. Heejae embodies all three. Their relationship becomes the site at which these desires collide.

What begins as artistic mentorship evolves into emotional dependency; emotional dependency becomes intimacy; intimacy becomes possession; possession becomes a confrontation with the past. The characters repeatedly discover that the things they most desperately want are inseparable from the wounds that prevent them from attaining those things in a healthy manner.

The genius of the Orpheus/Eurydice motif is that it refuses to permit an uncomplicated happy ending.

To move forward, one must accept that the past cannot be physically retrieved. Memory can preserve it, art can reinterpret it, and love can give it meaning, but none of these things can restore what has ceased to exist.

That is ultimately what No More Eurydice appears to be asking of both Garam and Heejae. Can they encounter one another as autonomous people rather than as answers to wounds?

The title therefore acquires its fullest significance, not as a reference to one particular character, but as complete repudiation of ones wounding psychological arrangement.

No more Eurydice.

No more demanding that love repair history.

No more mistaking suffering for proof of devotion.

No more confusing artistic transcendence with self-destruction.

And no more looking backward so obsessively that one destroys the possibility of moving forward.

In that sense, No More Eurydice is ultimately not a story about retrieving someone from the underworld.

Instead, it's about how the most profound act of love is to stop trying to retrieve what has been lost

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This wall of text took me several days to complete. For the love of the game. 10/10.
Feel free to engage in a lighthearted, mature discussion !


SOZ ! the replies are sometimes erased upon the submission of an edit! I need to fix the bad prose !!

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