bellunie's Topics (31)

I'm crying they want ppl to pay for low quality translations earlier? Exactly as you said I would go to the officials myself?

Exactly, I'd buy the officials and just translate them myself. Piracy supposed to be free.

YESSS OMG cant wait to buy

I understand your POV lol and honestly i do not have any problem with anyone reading whatever they want to, granted they do not start simping or defending the actions of an abuser. But to answer why, i think the problem comes down to HOW it is potrayed. No one is saying abusive or disturbing elements are not the part of homosexual relationships. It is about how the author choose to depict it. And to be blunt, nowdays EVERY single new BL is strangely having these "elements" just the intensity differs. And we as readers are getting so used to those that we sweep it under the rug sometimes lol. Don't you think it is VERY strange that most of the times it is one of the leads ends up abusing other lead and they end up together EVERY SINGLE TIME?? What about healing? What about them choosing to get out of that abusive relationship? What about fighting for your rights? Isn't THAT how things in reality works instead of whatever is shown in these stories? As a psychology researcher i understand that sometimes it is difficult to get out of abusive relationship too i really do... but how many stories till we get to these leads fighting back and not staying down? Isn't this promoting stereotypes that homosexual relationships are abusive? And who told you no one in straight stories raise this issue? The double standards is that fujoshis mostly go up in arms whenever it is a women who is getting abused (most of them don't even read anything other than yaoi but ig most of them are feminists at the very least) BUT strangely close their eyes when it is about homosexual relationships in media or real life.

I understand your pov too, and I agree that HOW abuse is portrayed can absolutely be criticized. where I disagree with you is that these stories need to end with the victim healing, fighting back, or leaving. Not every queer story needs a healthy or happy ending, just like how many heterosexual stories don't. This is fiction, characters are allowed to make horrible choices we know is bad for them, stay in toxic relationships, or never get the ending we'd want for a real person, these are things real people go through, many victims don't get a happy ending in real life. And I never said nobody criticizes abuse in straight media. I read all genres, not just BL (im not a fujoshi lol), and I'm talking about a double standard I've personally seen firsthand, criticizing how a story handles abuse is completely valid, but assuming a queer story depicting abuse is automatically fetishizing or normalizing it is what I disagree with. A lot of these readers who leave hate also seem to have this image/idea of the “perfect victim,” where a victim has to react to abuse in the “right” way, or they will lose all sympathy. The second a victim makes choices they personally dislike (stays, goes back, or doesn’t fight back) they attack the story and its audience, but real victims don’t always act the way we think they should. Fiction shouldn’t have to portray that either. (thank you for the thoughtful response, i do enjoy having these meaningful conversations!)

Heyyyy same here lol me too enjoy every kind of genre and i get you it gets irritating at some point of time that people just won't leave a story alone and bombard the comment section with hate even when it is well established that the story involves stuff they do not like to watch... like either keep the mind open and read the full story and give a good, sane analysis or just leave the story alone if you cannot see through it. For normalization part, the thing is research supports the fact that getting exposed to certain things over time does promote it, be it fiction or whatever. I have done my research on such topic and results were consistent throughout mine and every other research i read along the way lol, it's a passive process so we don't even get to know when it happens lol.. but i know what are you talking about. It seems that internet has collectively decided to label people who enjoy reading BL as fetishizers of some sort. It honestly gives the vibe of people who think they how to detect AI in someone's art or something, i understand the emotion behind it but it is just witch hunt atp. For the victim part that is also very true, i agree on that. There is not set way or guidelines on how a victim should behave. A victim is a victim. The problem i have is with writers involving Stockholm syndrome, IPV etc and showing it as if that what "love" looks like. And agree or not, consistent exposure to such stuff (be it queer romance or any other type of romance) will impart a deep impression on young minds... but that's just how i feel lol. Nvm have a good day. It was good talking to ya

I agree, but a lot of people online don’t seem to view this as a representation of abuse and rape. Most of the time, the comment sections are making fun of the MC, saying he wants it, and even the editors and translators are adding memes during some of the most disgusting scenes. It’s not necessarily the manhwa itself that makes the situation unserious; it’s the people consuming it. I would be okay with people enjoying the story as long as they don’t defend the actions of any of the characters. In the same way, Sangwoo and Yoonbum should both be held accountable for what they did. Sangwoo obviously deserves more accountability, but you get the idea. A lot of people in these comments will say it’s “not that serious because there are chibis”, when, if you read the novel, there’s a scene where he is raped by a dog. The author was actually called out for how graphic and horrific the scene was, and it was eventually removed. Yet people will still defend the author and the abuser as if the victim deserved what happened to him. I know the MC also raped him, and I’m not trying to excuse that because they’re both horrible people, but at this point, the abuser is clearly worse than the MC. Again, they are both terrible people, but I think a lot of the gay rape fetishization comes more from the people consuming and discussing the media than from the media itself.

I think we’re talking about two completely different things. like i told you in my other comment, I don’t disagree that individual readers can fetishize the rape. My point is that what random commenters, editors, translators or fandom members do has nothing to do with whether the story itself fetishizes rape. People will sexualize literally anything, there is so much NSFW fanart of My Little Pony, that obviously doesn’t mean sexualization was the creators’ intended narrative. An audience can impose a fetish onto media that was never created as fetish content. So if we’re talking about whether this manhwa itself fetishizes or romanticizes SA, then we need to look and analyze how the actual narrative/story portrays it, not point to random people making jokes in the comments. Those are two completely separate discussions.

Lowkey talking in the other comment so feels pointless to comment here

omg yes some bitches are too woke

that's not being woke , thats just being wrong that's it

Because it’s it still disgusting some ppl still read because they don’t think it’s as bad as the author puts like maybe just a view incidents but no everytime they have do it. It’s just full on rape which makes me think this is rape fetish content that you sick fucks are trying to normalize.

please explain to me how this is rape fetish content? you're just homophobic asf, people watch horror movies with killing/murders in it and people can think critically enough to know that murder is bad, doesnt mean they're romanticizing/fetishizing it just because they are watching it, and people who ignore the authors warning means they are literally doing it to themselves, i hate to break it to you, but rape happens every day, its a real traumatizing event that happens, just because someone includes it in their story doesn't mean they are fetishizing it, you must be a child because you expect someone to hold your hand and tell you how just because some reads a story with something bad in it doesnt mean its fetishizing it, stop using tiktok buzz words that you dont know the meaning of

Someone isn’t homophobic for thinking that. I agree that I don’t think the manhwa itself is directly rape fetish content, but it is still media that people with rape fetishes can consume and, as you can see from the comments, some people are absolutely turning it into that. You have people saying they want this and that the mc was their ideal man or that the main abuser was justified, and even making jokes about the mc’s abuse. Again, my point isn’t that everyone who reads it is fetishizing rape; it’s that the people consuming the media can turn something that is supposed to be portrayed as horrific into fetish content. That happens with all kinds of media, and people have been making this exact argument about dark romance for years. I read a lot of dark romance myself, so I’m not saying you can’t consume fucked-up media without supporting what happens in it. There’s obviously a line between depicting something horrific and romanticizing it. I only made it about 10 chapters into this manhwa because this isn’t my first rodeo, and the way people are treating the abuse in the comments made it very obvious where some of the audience’s intentions lie. There are people laughing about it, making rape jokes, saying the victim wanted it, and even the translators/editors have added jokes around scenes where the MC is being abused. It’s kind of like loli bait. Obviously, someone can look at a character like Nahida, understand that she’s chronologically an adult because of her reincarnation, and not have any sexual interest in her appearance. But that doesn’t mean loli bait doesn’t exist or that people who are specifically attracted to childlike characters aren’t part of the intended audience for that type of content. The same distinction applies here: something can exist outside of a fetish context while still being consumed and fetishized by people who specifically seek out that kind of content. And honestly, this manhwa changed a lot from the original novel. If you actually want to see the story and its abuse treated more seriously, read the novel instead. The manhwa’s presentation, combined with the way the fandom and even the translators joke about the MC being abused, makes it much harder to take the subject seriously.

I don’t really disagree that some readers can fetishize it. People can fetishize literally any piece of media regardless of how the author intended it to be interpreted. People have and still to this day make fetish content for literally ANYTHING. My issue is when people are using those readers as evidence that the story itself is rape fetish content or that its readers generally fetishizes rape. What random commenters say, or jokes that are added by unofficial translators/editors, isn’t the author’s intended narrative. If we’re talking about whether the manhwa itself fetishizes/romanticizes SA, then analyze how the actual story frames it. And you literally said yourself that you don’t think the manhwa is directly rape fetish content, which is basically the distinction I’ve been making this entire time, the other person is calling anyone who reads this story a rape fetishizer, that’s completely surface level

Yeah, I totally agree. I was only able to push through to maybe chapter 10, like I said. I’d honestly love for people to actually read the manhwa without the translator purposefully mistranslating the characters, because I do think there’s a difference between the actual story and how people online interpret it. The problem is that you have to realize most people aren’t going to look at it the way you or I do. Most people aren’t analyzing the story critically, and they’re never going to take the abuse seriously when the fandom constantly jokes about it. Pretty much every post I see about this manhwa completely misses what the story actually is: two rapists making each other miserable, with the ML knowing the MC won’t remember what happened while the MC is constantly being abused himself. I have yet to see a genuinely good analysis of the story where someone doesn’t eventually say the MC “wanted it” or make some other excuse for the abuse. People who are actually willing to engage with fucked-up media critically and understand the difference between depicting something and endorsing it are unfortunately rare as fuck. Like I’m pretty sure these comments go from, you fetishize rape to this is my ideal man. Like people aren’t think about this as deeply as you are.

Oh and another thing cause you asked how it can be seen as rape fetish content so here is my answer to that. Like you said, people can sexualize anything, so the bigger issue is how consistently sexual violence is used in Reverse Thinking. It dominates the MC’s storyline, making it harder to compare with actual representation like Killing Stalking, where the abuse is part of a broader psychological thriller. That focus may lead some readers to interpret the story as rape-fetish content, even if that wasn’t the author’s intent. The relationship is also fundamentally abusive: the ML uses the MC for revenge, while the MC often doesn’t understand or cannot escape what is happening. If the violence were occasional and supported a larger plot with more character development and outside conflict, calling it fetish content might seem excessive. But when the story centers so heavily on rape and abuse—and largely ignores realistic consequences, such as people noticing the MC’s disappearance or contacting the police—it’s fair to question how the story frames that dynamic and whether so much abuse is necessary to convey the author’s intent. Like it feels like it’s just the mc and ml torturing each other instead of their actually being some sort of plot, which begs the question why did it need to be drawn in the first place. If it was about representation there was no reason to bring it to main stream media to a toxic community that already has a bad wrap for not taking abuse and rape seriously. That’s where I feel like people think it rape fetish content because all their reading is rape and abuse and not looking at the long lasting affects and how this can really affect someone long term yk?

now that you've mentioned it... was wondering why it felt so familiar-ish

Dekoboko sugar days but the roles are reversed lmao Still love them both

omg yes everyone shits on this manhwa which don’t get me wrong i have also talk shit about suah cause he’s a little annoying but this manhwa has genuine good writing and phenomenal art

right?? su-ah's spineless ass pissed me tf off, but so did juhyeok lowkey at times, but i dont know what ppl are expecting?? this is a common theme in most manwhas, theres always going to be some type of miscommunication, and semes are always annoying asf, these people cant sit down without fluff every second, like go read our sunny days and leave this for people who enjoy incredible art and a good plot