nyantan

ew

If you don't like it, don't read it. No need to come shit on other people's happiness.

ew to you too baby

Awful taste

even if you put a gun to your head we wouldnt care about your opinion

nigga who is u

nora and shuri are endgame !! there is no incest whatsoever in this story so don’t worry

jershu is unrequited, it's not really supposed to be uncomfortable and it's not incest, jeremy only ever jokingly refers to shuli as his mom and doesn't consider her his mother considering she's at max 2 years older than him. as reply above said norshu are endgame (obviously). i don't know how anyone would find it uncomfortable as its just sad on jeremys part, he doesn't see her as his mother but knows he can't have her and is now realising his father traumatised her BAD like this isn't supposed to be some incest bait, it's one of the main plot points that in both timelines jeremy loved shuli to the point of complete selflessness. it's why his relationship with shuli mirrors that of his father's and empress ludovika's. ludovika literally tells johannes "max (the king) can give me the world" and jeremy laments to nora in their fight that he can't give shu what nora can

ur like so eloquently spoken

really? thank you ^_−☆

I would have to politely disagree with it not being considered incest. I understand he doesnt consider shuri his mother and looks at her from an equal perspective, but that doesn't make him any less of a stepson. I feel like i wouldve been more comfortable with the plot point if shuri actually went through with anulling her and johannes' marriage for jeremys sake :( Thank you for providing me with your thoughts though. It is fun to have nice debates (*´∇｀*)

maybe this is the sociologist in me speaking but it actually does make him less of a stepson considering the only thing making these two related is legality (and as we know law ≠ morality).
a son and mother have two ties, one is the biological tie and the other is the psychological tie. they do not share either of these ties. an adoptive mother and son who have a psychological tie and then break it to become lovers would be incest, a mother and son who have a biological tie (but no psychological parental tie) might end up committing incest. there's no biological tie and psychologically, he does not consider her his mother. theres actually an entire line where jeremy says "mother, sister, friend, etc" and says they're family regardless of all of that. to make it clear, this is a story that questions the establishment.
more importantly, her marriage doesn't mean anything unless you're religious (which again this story is critical of) and accept the laws this world has established. all of that aside, the only reason shu considers these kids her own is her dead husband's grooming (which was just psychological abuse).
again, legality does not define your family. legally you might be in the same family as a bad mother or father, but you might have a found family. in a lot of queer found families, the person who's the "mom" of the group might be dating one of the "kids" in the group. this is because the idea of 'mothering' and nuclear family models don't apply to certain people. theres a good tumblr post someone else wrote about this relating to the stepmother's marchen

"...I think it’s because of the emphasis being placed on the idea of a ‘nuclear family model’, which seems like a prevalent theme with other media — “found family” gets sorted into mother, father, children, and with the von Neuschwansteins especially, trying to fit them in the traditional family roles is, at best, an imposition (to me, which I’ll get to later).
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Going back to why I called trying to fit the Neuschwanstein family in a traditional family model an imposition, I agree that being being adamant that Jeremy sees Shuli as purely his mother 1) reduces both Jeremy and Shuli as a character and (more importantly) 2) minimizes the absolute horror of what Johannes did to Shuli.
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Shuli is 2 years older than the eldest son, married to Johannes at such a young age and a placeholder to be a shield for the von Neuschwansteins until Jeremy comes of age. She was not a wife nor mother, she was a tool. To impose motherhood on Shuli at this point (as the mother of Jeremy at least) is to lessen the gravity of Shuli’s weaponization in the narrative and to not acknowledge the circumstances in which Shuli acts the way that she does and lives a life that she (at this point in the manhwa) currently leads.
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The tragedy of Shuli, which again is acknowledged by Jeremy, is that she did not need to be a mother. She is a child. In any other life, she would have been free to publicly see Jeremy as her friend and equal. In any other life, she would not be labeled a seductress by high society for simply existing.
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It doesn't even matter if you consider their relationship as platonic or romantic. It's important in understanding Shuli's character to recognize that she was someone who had the role of mother be imposed on her. And then it's important in understanding Jeremy's character to recognize that he was someone who doesn't see her as his mother precisely because he can see it was an imposition on her."
full post here: tumblr (.) com / architect-of-the-last-act / 783885112435785728/