Libby's Topics (11)

i feel like its more realistic for it to be tragic since a slave/master love relationship is tragic. Herta almost cant love her bc she doesnt feel like she has the freedom of choice. Andy probably loves her bc she also doesnt have freedom albeit in much different ways. Andy has fallen for the illusion Herta created in order to survive so its all kinda doomed

Classic. (⊙…⊙ )

That was exactly my feeling 2 years ago. Ii was very hesitant to read this before when I saw it was on hiatus coz the ssamba was sick. Then i gave it a try and was very hook to it like a finished the whole chapters in a day and ended up screaming coz it was a cliffhanger. I reread this story for like nth time already as this was one of the best yuri or shoujo ai manga I read. It was realistic and the feeling of falling in love unknowingly touched my heart and kinda relate to it.. too bad ssamba was gone and nobody can do a better fanfic for this. Urg

I think that the popularity of One can be due to the fact that, tho it's just my observation and I can be wrong, but for a majority of people who read wdtfs Seju was either their favourite character, or at least they liked her similarly to other characters (for instance, there are people who are team blonde, but still say that Seju deserves to have a happy ending and thus are still invested in reading One). Also, it's not a secret that it's been years since wdtfs started and during this time Team Gaji's writing and drawing has been improving constantly, so the way I see it a relationship between Seju and Won also, just like you said, develops very naturally and I'd arguably say that its beginning is way more convincing than the beginning of Sumin x Sungji. It's also really heartwarming to see a character that's been through so much drama and pain to finally be able to smile and act like herself and if you combine it with a really nice art then it can also be an explanation why so many people are drawn to this story.

When it comes to what you said about Paradise, I agree that flashbacks from main story already gave us a lot of information about past of Seju and Sumin - enough to make us emotionally invested in life of these characters, their current relationship, heck it even resulted in many people rooting more for Sumin getting back with Seju instead of moving on with Sungji, but maybe Paradise wasn't there for the same purpose?
Cause the way I see it, even tho these side stories can work as stand-alones, after all they are a part of a coherent story. And if you read Paradise, you see that it starts with Sumin being occupied by her thoughts when Seju is finally moving out and ends with Seju waiting for her flight, with a surprisingly calm expression. To me it just indicates that both characters were reflecting on their relationship, mostly its ups rather than downs and Paradise was just a result of this "mutual reflection". I'd actually say that Paradise was more important for Seju's character than Sumin's, because at the end we see her going back to the very first memory of how these two met and realising that they used to love each other, no matter what people kept saying and no matter how ugly their relationship turned out to be later and with this though in mind Seju is able to acknowledge Sumin and thus her feelings for her as a part of her past and finally move on - not hating Sumin, but also not really loving her anymore as well (contrary to how the main wdtfs story ended with her saying "goodbye, I love you", because judging by the length of her hair, there is a distance of a few months between the end of wdtfs and the end of paradise, so Seju had a lot of time to reflect on her feelings) which then gives her a nice opening for everything that is about to happen in One, including her new relationship. Moreover, after all Team Gaji created such a complex and emotional relationship between these characters, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just wanted to show us how it all started between these two, how they met, how they used to treat each other as friends and then girlfriends which is something that flashbacks from the main story were able to show in a much smaller percent.
Tho of course, this is just the way I personally see it, but I think that Paradise was an important reflection for both Sumin and Seju and even if it's focused on relationship that we already understood, it definitely offers a more in-depth explanation of it, even for such things as development of Seju's possessiveness or how forgiving Sumin could be back then. Also, Team Gaji is not necessary the one to be solely focused on pleasing their audience - after all, they take their time to make a side story about secondary character like Nammi and episodic characters like Dawoon and Sangmi that people care less about, but they go for it because they care about characters they created and the stories that are planning to tell and it can be the same for Seju's and Sumin's past

As for the rest of your comment - I agree with everything! And I think that One will be way longer than Paradise, there's a high chance that it will be the longest out of all side-stories, cause it has so much material to cover - first, the exploration of a completely new characters, then the exploration of Seju's personality when she's not occupied with Sumin, relationship between Seju and Won, possibly any dangerous situation that is about to happen in this villa, combined with Seju's family that seems to be still relevant. If I had to guess, I'd say that One may have around 30-40 chapters? That is, of course, if these things are all going to be explored

A final goodbye to the relationship between Seju and Sumin, and for me it was necessary because they needed a better closure for their relationship and Paradise did a better job than the main story. I loved the final scene with Seju leaving all about Sumin behind her, even the farewell note, and heading alone to an unknown future, it was very symbolic. At the same time the farewell note and that Seju and Sumin remember only the good times about their relationship gave me a little hope that they can be friends in the future.

Also Paradise is like a link that chronologically connects the main story with One.

I agree with you. It’s necessary for us to know more about how Seju found her first love. And how that past leads her to the new start in Jeju island to meet her second and the last love . Actually in paradise , she mentioned jeju island and swimming. And that’s all happen now

I agree with you - Paradise gives both characters and readers a way better closure to a past relationship of Sumin and Seju. Because, after all, main story is focused mostly on Sumin, so she and Sungji, as a main couple, will occupy the majority of a plot and thus the ending to Sumin's and Seju's relationship (with Sumin crying because Sungji left her and Seju finally saying goodbye, while at the same time still confessing her love to the only person she's ever been in a relationship with) definitely fits bitter and more dramatic parts of a story, but doesn't give any feeling of being complete - which is something that Paradise does very well
Also, personally I would have trouble finding first chapters of One as believable, if Paradise didn't exist in a first place. Not necessary because of the fact that Seju at the end of a main story was still around Sumin - after all, there is a distance of few months between the end of a main story and the start of One, which gives a plenty of time to move on, but because the way Seju acted at the end would never be balanced with any image of her coming to terms with finally leaving her past behind. Cause imagine Seju slowly becoming interested in another girl, when the last crucial moment when we saw her was while she said "I love you" to Sumin. I think that what Paradise and (as for me) the most important chapter of it - which was the last chapter - do is they show that Seju is ready to move on, just judging by her somewhat peaceful expression and the fact that she just left behind a note that Sumin gave her, instead of still holding on to it desperately

Waw,, your reply is really long, i like it btw makes me excited to have a discussion,,

About the art, yeah, i remember the first time i read wdtfs i didn't really like the art, the story is kinda hard to understand, and suddenly there were a hard core sex scene that seems meaningless, i didn't favor all of it and put off to read it after less then 10 chapters for a few months,,
Until i decided to try to read it and finally got hooked,, the art keep getting better and better, sometimes i felt like i was too invested to this manhwa, i felt like the characters are too real and they have emotion and alive, hahaha,, that's how you know how good the authors are,,

Well if team gaji do make 40 chapters for One, i think they would be the only author who make side story that almost half chapter of the main story (most of the author i know only make less then 5 chapters for side story),, i won't complain at all tho, but realistically i think they would make twice as many chapter than paradise to 30 chapters for enough to cover won's background, make seju & won story believable and have a strong bond, seju's family, etc,, here'a to hoping that team gaji would make more than 40 chapters,, at this rate i swear it would be better for team gaji to make a whole new series just for seju

YES! SAME! At first I didn't get into reading wdtfs, cause at that time it wasn't finished and there were so many people saying that they think it may turn out to be some sort of a threesome story and I was just like,, man, I don't have time to read over 80 chapters about that :') Then when I found out that it's actually sort of a drama/love triangle situation I wasn't interested either, cause I don't usually like this trope (tho Team Gaji actually executed it very well!) and, just like you said, during first chapters art is not as good and it seemed pretty stiff and story in general starts very slow, but after few chapters it easily makes you suddenly invested in live of these characters

You are right - 30 chapters is probably enough, tho I also wouldn't mind if it was a bit longer. And I'm pretty sure that One may be the longest out of all side-stories, cause when you think about it, after all Seju was a crucial character in the main story, she went through a lot and so there's a lot of topics that are probably going to be discussed in her own journey. Besides, in her case, it takes a while to fall for someone again and Won as well is either a bit oblivious, or holding herself back so it will take more chapters for them to end up together. Tho, after 7 chapters they already start to be getting closer, so you may be right, 30 chapters could be enough!

And yeah, sometimes I tend to write long essays in comment section, but that's just cause I really like writing in general and I'm happy that you read it and liked it! c:

You're assuming the plan is over.

We don't know Ploy's deal with Asakorn, which means there's still a twist waiting in the wings.

Nope,, i'm not saying that ploy's plan is over, i'm just saying that i don't like this cheesy predictable plot (ploy making an unnecessary drama withouth telling ice, while she knew ice will be hurt, and so on, yada yada).

I know ploy have her reason and maybe a plan to finish it all with good ending. But still it's just mel and lynn temporary breakup again with reason that really avoidable.

I'm sure 700% that ploy x ice will get their happy ending, but i just wish the story and drama will be focusing on them, like pulse and LL love 1, not another couple in high school, we got enough yuri story for that age.

And from the beginning the story is about ice x ploy,, i don't get the urgency to add mook x khing, their story is not interesting enough for me,, i always skip their chapters,,

It just seems so forced and unnecessary tbh. Like seriously, the little sister needs to be the one to grow a backbone like Ploy advised her to and just tell her mother firmly she doesn't want to marry the guy and so on.

exactly! Especially that Mook's mother told her a few chapters before that she can convince her to cancel this engagement. Mook could at least try, but she chose to do nothing at all. Ploy could also talk with Ice about it and I'm pretty sure that together they'd figure out something way smarter - it would also make their relationship stronger and show that Ice is not just a girl Ploy occasionally sleeps with.
And by the way, if Ploy wants Mook to grow up, then making this entire plan without her and expecting nothing from her, instead putting so much work on Nadia and Khing is not the best idea as well

Um... the story's not over yet? Ice can still call Ploy out on her BS? Mook can still stand up to Arisa? Ploy can still reflect on how hasty she's being? There could still be more to her plan? I'm just saying, y'all should wait and see how Ratana plays this out.

Also, people making rash and questionable decisions in the spur of the moment? It's almost like real people act like this sometimes! You know, cause people are flawed?

Just cause the story isn't over, it doesn't mean that no one can comment on stuff that's currently happening, just cause "we should wait, maybe the story will progress and actually be clever". Well, if it does, then great! I'd love that to happen, but anyone can judge and comment on each chapter and as long as you actually have something constructive to say and have arguments, I don't see problem with these negative opinions, especially that a lot of people bring up really valid points

What rush decision are you talking about? Ploy spent a lot of chapters preparing her plan and digging into this gay dude's background and as far as we know, the part of a plan that is revealed is just dumb

The problem is that all of the wailing about how terrible this is and how Ice is going to be hurt and how Ploy is being shortsighted, -assumes- that this is the end of the plan. If this isn't the end of the plan, those people are getting upset over nothing. And you're digging in on being upset about it, which means that when it DOES turn out that there is a broader plan and that plan is fully revealed, you're all gonna be too embarassed to just say "Ooh, I see what was going on, Ploy's plan was actually clever/effective/less foolish than I thought" and you're all going to blame the writing, because that's what people DO on the internet now. They get furious about problems they invented and then blame the author for their invented problem.

Just chill out and see what happens.

And as for Mook "growing a backbone", Teenagers raised by abusive parents are trained since childhood to submit to authority and that any conflict between their self-worth and their parent's wishes. The ability of their brain to resist is literally crippled. It's like seeing someone with a broken leg held prisoner in an open cell and going "why don't they just walk out??"

By making the decision to run away, she IS standing up to her mom. All Ploy is doing is clearing an escape route.

well if it really upsetting you that much why don't u just stop reading the updates or wait a while?It's not good for anyone's health if this is making u that upset even though the creator of the story is known for this type of drama.There must be some other manga that u like right so why not just read something that causes u less stress?

Well if you read ratana's previous works, than you should be understand why so many people upset with mook's existance, because in pulse and LL1 the story centered between 2 protagonis, not like LL2 who suddenly while the story still warming up for ice & ploy suddenly mook is entered that feel so forced
While making ice not like protagonis anymore, but more like side character that ploy occasionally met and having sex with.

i do believe ratana has her reason and a plan to smooth things out. I'm just hoping that the story won't be suddenly rushed to get an ending and all the drama with mook's many chapter feel useless. I really hope in the end LL2 can get a high reputation just like ratana's previous works.

That being said, you are entitled to your opinion, and so do i,, and i don't have any obligation to agree with your opinion.

We just have to respect each others opinion so we can have healthy discussion.

first, thank you for your concern, but i am at the top of my health right now, so i'm ok

Of course there is many manga/manhwa that i like beside LL2,, well pulse is the first yuri that i got to read, so you can imagine that i really attached and appreciate ratana's works, and i most definitely will follow her other works after LL2 end.

And after last chapter, i probably will postpone to read LL2 for several weeks, just until mook's drama over and ice & ploy story get back to being main story,, that's what i want to read anyway from LL2,,

u welcome