OldMarbles's Topics (43)

Nah I also laughed.
Sometimes I can't tell if this series is a horror, comedy, drama...all of the above.

LOUDER FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK!!! Honestly, that’s how I genuinely feel about most who hate on Hyesung because they’re always excusing Dojins actions like “oh this is an omega verse and so he couldn’t help himself” like girl pleaseeee. Get outta here with that rapist apologist shit. I don’t hate Dojin but I’m not gonna act like he’s a saint either just because he can shout louder about his love for Hyesung.

I don't think the readers expect the uke to be a perfect husband (or wife?) because there isn't such a thing, but the way he reacts to things, he is still irrational his main personality is being a tsundere who can't express his feelings properly and the author expects their readers to find it cute, but some of us find it frustrating and immature. The issue is that he cannot change or he isn't willing to change.

Nah, Hye-sung is cute. Uke doesn't have to change, idk why y'all want him to.

He was never a bad person from the start anyway, so why should he even need to change.

The only difference about him now is that he loves Dojin, and you can't say he hasn't been expressing that when he's living with him, agreed to marry him, and raising their baby with him.

Maybe he's just not expressing it the exact way you guys want him to.

What do you want from a victim of abuse and parental abandonment trauma? Chowon got better bcos of therapy and medicine, Hyesung has not had the chance to even dream of talking seriously about that, he even fainted and drowned in depression when his father confronted him and blamed him for being abandoned by his mother, Hyesung is also super young and inexpert of his own body, he never dated anyone before Dojin ofcourse he doesnt know ow to act or how to be affectionate, it´s not something that will change from one day to another

I agree, this is a problem with story writing. The author wants the uke to be dependent on the seme, which is why, if I recall correctly, they never made a story about the uke making his way to treatment.

And if the author is unwilling to make their character seek therapy and use their trauma as a justification for why they act the way they do. Readers will see him as immature and a one-dimensional character.

The author will not write a story about treating the uke, instead, they want to keep the uke as he is, with his trauma holding him back from changing.

Can you explain how his most recent chapter is him being immature and irrational??? For one, choosing school over a fucking tour (where he probably gonna be alone in a hotel all day AND in a less than good environment for Byul) is being immatureee???? If Dojin cares so much, he can go back to his mansion and cancel that shit

Also, y'all are LYING if you say you've never misheard important details while distracted

I'm saying he's a poor character throughout the book because he's poorly written.

Actually, the seme and uke of the main story are both poorly written.

And you guys are always counter-attacking by saying that the uke acts the way he does now because of his past, which I am not invalidating, but it's difficult to root for a character when the author is clearly NOT healing him because his niche is being a tsundere, insensitive ,irrational thinker, naive, and the way he shows his love for his partner is by acting like a spoiled child that causes misunderstanding. The author is using his past as an excuse for not to change and to garner the reading protecting instinct.. Does that sound right to you?

And you're wondering where I see him being immature in this chapter? He simply became tamer but he never grew as a character.

The fact that the uke doesn't even have a job, given the fact that he is privileged not to need to work in the first place, raises the question: how can you call someone a parent who doesn't have a job?



Spending time with your kid is JUST THE BARE MINIMUM of being a good parent


It's fine if you love the uke, your feelings are yours alone. I just don't view him as a decent character. I'm not forcing others to dislike the uke. I'm simply stating why I don't see him as a good character.

Okay let me stop you right there. I was gonna read your comment and move along right up until you said “How can you call someone a parent who doesn’t have a job?”
Point number 1, Hyesung is studying. Studying requires a LOT of concentration and even more when you’re not that good at most of the subjects. He COULD get a job while also studying but where would that leave room for him to also care for Byul? WHEN would he even be able to care for Byul? At 3 in the morning? Also, do you know what a privilege it is to be able to only focus on school? As I already mentioned, he has to take care of Byul especially because Dojin is an artist who can’t be home all the time which means there’s not much free time left.
Point number 2, if the financial situation allows, NOT BOTH PARENTS NEED TO WORK TO BE CONSIDERED A PARENT! There is such a thing as housewife/househusband and if you looked more into that you’d realize that it’s a much harder job than most jobs out there because it’s a 24/7 job that’s oftentimes really demanding so to demean the value of PARENTS who raise their kids and actually take care of them as opposed to put them on other people’s care to essentially raise them for them is such a low thing to do. Mothers and fathers who choose to care for their kids instead of working or doing something else are not any less parents than the ones who choose to be hours, days, weeks, MONTHS even, away from the kids they brought into this world just to provide for them.

It doesn't sound right, no. Hyesung expresses his emotions differently and thats okay. Hell, I'm not that open with my emotions either

Raising your kids is a full time job on its own, fuck a job. That paycheck means nothing if you're never home (dojin) and your child is constantly missing you. There is no reason in hell for Hyesung to work rn...they're an elitist family that has enough money for another 100 generations.

"Spending time with your kid is JUST THE BARE MINIMUM of being a good parent"

Then why aren't you more upset with Dojin constantly being away???

That's the point the uke doesn't have to do the responsibility of being a parent, he doesn't need to provide anything for his baby.

But never mind that, what caught me off guard was you saying that "paycheck means nothing if you're away smth" That is so out of touch with reality, there are so many parents who work overseas to provide for their family in order to lift them out of poverty, back in their own country they graduated with honors, studied hard, but because of many factors, such as low income or a bad government, they are forced to leave their country and what? to work as waitresses or scrubbing toilets since the salary is better than what profession they studied for, with many of them being abused by their employers and never seeing their family again.

But uke is fortunate in that he does not need to work away from his son and has plenty of time to study. I've never seen him stress over doing household chores. The bare minimum he can do is give all of his time to studying, caring for Byul, and possibly going into therapy to help him overcome his immature personality by first healing from his trauma so he doesn't have any reasons to act the way he does.

Oh, I forgot, going to therapy isn't an option because his entire character cliché is dependent on Dojin.

And as for Dojin, I have nothing to say to him. He is an empty shell with his personality at first, I was cold to him, but after the chasing arc, I've fallen hard, so the fact that I raped and exploited him is forgiven.

I'm going to let him off the hook because I don't want this to drag on any longer than it already has.

That is correct, but not for the uke. He is a student who spends his time lazing around, he doesn't need to work because he has everything provided for him, including housing, food, and clothing, I'm sure he doesn't even care about the bills.

And you're saying he's a househusband, can he even cook? I've never seen him do a single household chore. The story doesn't allow him to struggle as a parent. How can I sympathize with him?

If changing diapers, bathing the baby, and making him burp is your definition of being a good parent, you should reevaluate your standard.

The uke is raising the kid alone. As someone with extensive experience with young children, money is important for raising a kid but actually being there for the child substantially affects development more than scrap change

You stated he can't be called a parent because he "doesn't have a job" and that is the most bullshit I've ever heard. He doesn't NEED a job to be a parent.

Also, no it doesn't. You're painting this picture of me saying money isn't important at all. I'm saying in this specific situation, a paycheck means nothing if you're away from your kids 24/7. You're using a strawman debate strategy and its a bit out of touch.

You're acting like he isn't going to school and taking care of Byul...he is...thats all he does...

Now, I see that all of this omegaverse yaoi that you read fucked up your brain. Saying no to a tour is abusive but you can forgive rape and false imprisonment??? YOU can forgive him (not your place) for rape but Hyesung's attitude is too much...that is genuinely insane

Instead of these fictional characters, YOU truly need therapy...

When its a newborn, yeah, that makes you a good parent...taking care of a newborn is full time...

To begin with, studying is definitely difficult, I am a student, but the uke has the chance to study and return home without worrying about paying the bills since he has a husband who provides for them, he is lucky and not struggling.

You're saying I'm the one who messed up my mind by reading Omegaverse?

Before having children, both parents must be financially competent to provide for their family, you can't be a parent if you're unemployed, and the uke isn't doing household duties, so tell me what his position is in his family if he doesn't have a job and can't do any housework.

Dojin is now actually raising two children.

Finally, I said I let Dojin off the hook because he isn't my topic. You can read a lot of debates about how and why Dojin is a toxic manipulative partner. I never said I agreed on such actions, I just don't want to discuss it because it's off the topic, so why do you keep bringing him up?

As I already stated, they are both poorly written, and I do not like them equally.

This will be my final response, both the seme and uke aren't likable characters and it's fine if you love them, but the love you feel for them is only for you, you can't force others to see them the way you do.

Parenthood encompasses more than just financial contributions or chores. While having a stable financial situation is undoubtedly important for raising children, being a parent goes beyond monetary aspects. The emotional and psychological support, love, care, and nurturing provided by a parent are equally (if not more) significant in a child's development.

I've taken several child psychology courses and it goes beyond the story when you say someone can't be a parent or can't struggle if they "have no job" and "have everything handed to them." Not liking Hyesung is an opinion. Calling this emotional abuse, saying he's not a parent, and your overall hypocrisy shows a lot about your issues as a person.

I love omegaverse, its wacky and intimate. However, "I was cold to him, but after the chasing arc, I've fallen hard, so the fact that he raped and exploited him is forgiven" is a genuinely insane perspective. If you've developed positive feelings towards Dojin after witnessing character growth, it's essential to separate your admiration for his development from the immoral actions you mentioned...which you fail to do...

YOU stated that you fell for his character and can excuse rape and exploitation. Did I beat that out of you? No.....

Saying you've fallen for his character then saying you don't like him is so contradictory...if you hate the writing so much spend your time not reading and writing hate comments. There's plenty of fans and you're not necessary. Unless Fargo has a gun to your head...you can leave...

Never have I ever said that you have to like Hyesung. This started as an open ended question then shit got a bit cooky

for real!!!