I've never been to Korea, so I really can't understand why K yaoi authors are sooooo obsessed with good looking, terrible, rapist semes in so many stories. It feels like with each new story, it becomes more normalized and that's such a shame. Yes, it's fiction. But rape happens everyday. And if a gay man gets raped, most societies don't care. And readers of these stories who you would expect to at least sorta care about real gay people are becoming so numb to rape that it often feels like readers think rape is nbd as long as the seme starts being nice by the end of the story. That's awful.
I know no one is forcing anyone to read this and we could stop at any time. But it's hard to drop a story when the last thing you see from a character you've grown to care about over years is him getting pinned down and rraped by the man he's been in love with for most of his life. This is really tramatic and triggering.
I get what you're saying, and I do agree that this may be triggering for some people, but I've read so many non-con stories (not by choice, just by chance, because as you've said they're a dime a dozen, especially in K BL) and I will never, EVER equate fictional non-con with r8p in reality. That's a disservice to the horrific experiences real victims go through. Not to mention how plenty of survivors process their trauma through reading these types of stories, and how psychologists actually encourage this kind of therapy.
Mine is an anecdotal case, of course, but I'm pretty sure plenty of people can distinguish fiction from reality. If someone can't, I implore them to reflect on why they cannot distinguish one from the other, and protect themselves first by simply not reading the story. You can definitely drop it, and I encourage you to drop it when you're ill-prepared to deal with the emotions that you feel when reading stories like these. It's not the end of the world if you don't finish reading a story that you're not yet prepared to consume, and it's not really a loss to never read it again.
I get what you're saying, and I do agree that this may be triggering for some people, but I've read so many non-con stories (not by choice, just by chance, because as you've said they're a dime a dozen, especia... lau
After years of this, rape apologists who can't even type out the word rape, while criticizing people who object to this type of content will NEVER surprise me. I specifically pointed out that I'm aware this is fiction. But saying it's fiction doesn't magically absolve the authors of these types of stories from being responsible for the type of content they choose to create.
If a million rape survivors are completely comfortable this type of content and a million rape survivors like myself say we aren't, does the fictional rape is OK team win out because that's the side you support? No, that's not how this works. In my first post I didn't say all fictionalized depictions of rape shouldn't exist and I'm not saying that now.
If you choose to believe that anyone who objects to terrible depictions of human behavior in fiction are the problem. Or that the majority of readers/viewers of terrible fictional depictions of human behavior take away no baggage after reading/viewing that type of content, you're very naive. Propaganda and marketing groups have been shaping people's worldviews using fictionalized content since propaganda has existed.
I will conclude my response by quoting myself since you seem to have not read my entire comment, "I know no one is forcing anyone to read this and we could stop at any time." You're condescending last paragraph shows me that you are not mature enough to have an actual conversation on the topic of the impacts of RAPE in media on society and that is not something I will change. I hope if you are ever raped and seek therapy to help you heal, that your therapist does not recommend reading yaoi rape stories. I will not be responding if you reply. It is obvious our perspectives on this matter are very different.
After years of this, rape apologists who can't even type out the word rape, while criticizing people who object to this type of content will NEVER surprise me. I specifically pointed out that I'm aware this is ... rhjames
I'm not sure where or how you've misread my comment, perhaps because tone isn't really carried very well across text, but what I'm saying is that if something you've read made you feel beyond uncomfortable you'd call it traumatic and triggering, then you should definitely drop it because it isn't something worth losing your mental wellness over. That's self-harm to a degree, and this is general advice when encountering content like this. On what point did I say that we shouldn't criticize works like these? I also dislike the fact that it's almost all I see in K BL these days. I've stated that it's something I've unwittingly encountered so many times, and it's something I wish would be written about with more nuance. I'm simply objecting to the fact that you've stated in your initial comment that readers are becoming numb, when majority of the comments CONDEMN these types of works. If there's anything wrong here, it's that this story isn't tagged with anything indicative of the trigger warnings so that people who don't wish to encounter this could avoid it. Stop infantilizing other people and looking at them as if they can't distinguish right from wrong, how very condescending of you.
That you would call someone a r8p (yes, I will continue to censor NOT because I flinch at these words, or for any perceived lack of maturity on your part, but because I take care at moving through these cyberspaces so that I DON'T see more of what I'm censoring, as unfortunately that's how the internet works) apologist just because they said that the effects of r8p in fiction is not even CLOSE to what it is in reality, is simply deplorable. Thank you for reminding me that survivors can also be unkind to other survivors.
And I'm speaking about emotions that we as individuals feel, not some kind of propaganda you're seeing through K BL on a site that pir8s works from countless creators all over the world. I've had this kind of conversation about how fiction =/= reality so many times over the years that I'm quite tired of it, so forgive the hard words, but like I've said, if it's something that you can't mentally dissociate yourself from even after some time, then be kind to yourself (and others, especially when it's content that contains harming others in it) and remove yourself physically from it. If anyone's ill-prepared to read these kinds of stories, maybe because they're too young to process their emotions in a healthy way or because they don't have the most stable foundation of morality that even something fictional could sway them to care less, or god forbid, do these atrocious things IRL, then they SHOULDN'T be reading this.
How ironic is it that you're a survivor and you're wishing real-life harm on others you disagree with over the internet. May your karma reflect on you tenfold.
I know we all let a lot slide when it comes to human anatomy in yaoi, but I can't help but wonder if the author has ever actually seen a man's nipple. That was soooooo unsexy! (⊙…⊙ )
I've never been to Korea, so I really can't understand why K yaoi authors are sooooo obsessed with good looking, terrible, rapist semes in so many stories. It feels like with each new story, it becomes more normalized and that's such a shame. Yes, it's fiction. But rape happens everyday. And if a gay man gets raped, most societies don't care. And readers of these stories who you would expect to at least sorta care about real gay people are becoming so numb to rape that it often feels like readers think rape is nbd as long as the seme starts being nice by the end of the story. That's awful.
I know no one is forcing anyone to read this and we could stop at any time. But it's hard to drop a story when the last thing you see from a character you've grown to care about over years is him getting pinned down and rraped by the man he's been in love with for most of his life. This is really tramatic and triggering.
I get what you're saying, and I do agree that this may be triggering for some people, but I've read so many non-con stories (not by choice, just by chance, because as you've said they're a dime a dozen, especially in K BL) and I will never, EVER equate fictional non-con with r8p in reality. That's a disservice to the horrific experiences real victims go through. Not to mention how plenty of survivors process their trauma through reading these types of stories, and how psychologists actually encourage this kind of therapy.
Mine is an anecdotal case, of course, but I'm pretty sure plenty of people can distinguish fiction from reality. If someone can't, I implore them to reflect on why they cannot distinguish one from the other, and protect themselves first by simply not reading the story. You can definitely drop it, and I encourage you to drop it when you're ill-prepared to deal with the emotions that you feel when reading stories like these. It's not the end of the world if you don't finish reading a story that you're not yet prepared to consume, and it's not really a loss to never read it again.
After years of this, rape apologists who can't even type out the word rape, while criticizing people who object to this type of content will NEVER surprise me. I specifically pointed out that I'm aware this is fiction. But saying it's fiction doesn't magically absolve the authors of these types of stories from being responsible for the type of content they choose to create.
If a million rape survivors are completely comfortable this type of content and a million rape survivors like myself say we aren't, does the fictional rape is OK team win out because that's the side you support? No, that's not how this works. In my first post I didn't say all fictionalized depictions of rape shouldn't exist and I'm not saying that now.
If you choose to believe that anyone who objects to terrible depictions of human behavior in fiction are the problem. Or that the majority of readers/viewers of terrible fictional depictions of human behavior take away no baggage after reading/viewing that type of content, you're very naive. Propaganda and marketing groups have been shaping people's worldviews using fictionalized content since propaganda has existed.
I will conclude my response by quoting myself since you seem to have not read my entire comment, "I know no one is forcing anyone to read this and we could stop at any time." You're condescending last paragraph shows me that you are not mature enough to have an actual conversation on the topic of the impacts of RAPE in media on society and that is not something I will change. I hope if you are ever raped and seek therapy to help you heal, that your therapist does not recommend reading yaoi rape stories. I will not be responding if you reply. It is obvious our perspectives on this matter are very different.
I'm not sure where or how you've misread my comment, perhaps because tone isn't really carried very well across text, but what I'm saying is that if something you've read made you feel beyond uncomfortable you'd call it traumatic and triggering, then you should definitely drop it because it isn't something worth losing your mental wellness over. That's self-harm to a degree, and this is general advice when encountering content like this. On what point did I say that we shouldn't criticize works like these? I also dislike the fact that it's almost all I see in K BL these days. I've stated that it's something I've unwittingly encountered so many times, and it's something I wish would be written about with more nuance. I'm simply objecting to the fact that you've stated in your initial comment that readers are becoming numb, when majority of the comments CONDEMN these types of works. If there's anything wrong here, it's that this story isn't tagged with anything indicative of the trigger warnings so that people who don't wish to encounter this could avoid it. Stop infantilizing other people and looking at them as if they can't distinguish right from wrong, how very condescending of you.
That you would call someone a r8p (yes, I will continue to censor NOT because I flinch at these words, or for any perceived lack of maturity on your part, but because I take care at moving through these cyberspaces so that I DON'T see more of what I'm censoring, as unfortunately that's how the internet works) apologist just because they said that the effects of r8p in fiction is not even CLOSE to what it is in reality, is simply deplorable. Thank you for reminding me that survivors can also be unkind to other survivors.
And I'm speaking about emotions that we as individuals feel, not some kind of propaganda you're seeing through K BL on a site that pir8s works from countless creators all over the world. I've had this kind of conversation about how fiction =/= reality so many times over the years that I'm quite tired of it, so forgive the hard words, but like I've said, if it's something that you can't mentally dissociate yourself from even after some time, then be kind to yourself (and others, especially when it's content that contains harming others in it) and remove yourself physically from it. If anyone's ill-prepared to read these kinds of stories, maybe because they're too young to process their emotions in a healthy way or because they don't have the most stable foundation of morality that even something fictional could sway them to care less, or god forbid, do these atrocious things IRL, then they SHOULDN'T be reading this.
How ironic is it that you're a survivor and you're wishing real-life harm on others you disagree with over the internet. May your karma reflect on you tenfold.