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Shuraka is 24

Finally someone with a developed frontal lobe... I couldn't agree more

It was explicited, there is the whole scene where Tei tells Shuraka that children aren't supposed to fight, and that around him he can behave as one. And they met 14 years in the past, so if he is 19, then he would he would have to be 5... I'm not sure he is 24 like the other commenter said, but it's a minimum.

He is 24, the author posted their ages on X, shuraka was nine when tei first met him, 11 when he left, and 24 when they reunited

Tei is 37 now

Wow that’s still horrible. It feels like he’s younger a mentally. But thanks for clarifying the info! It’s appreciated

Like, I can understand people admitting to see past it because we’ve all turned off our brains before to read a yaoi/BL, we’ve all been there to some degree… but to be okay with it? To endorse it? To not see a problem with it it’s bc either they are children, their frontal lobe isn’t developed, they are ignorant or they are degenerates.

In the novel this was handled so much better. MC did it to save his life but felt like he severely violated him. It came with consequences. This adaption is kind of just glossing over a lot of things that are necessary for the story’s pacing, dynamic and character growth.

Girl, which part of any chapter did you feel like Tei had romantic feelings for Shuraka? And wtf do you mean “grooming” when they literally spent 12 years apart and met AFTER the child grew. The author has literally implied that Tei sees the kid as someone to be protected. Maybe read properly before commenting bullshit

Its not a big problem seeing as he was only there for a little bit and didn't see him for 12 years. U realize he has to manipulate a minor in order to groom them? All he did was protect him and maybe teach him how to fight. Yes, there's an age difference, but there's no grooming and they're both adults now.

U judge the story before it even half of it being published huh from this author I guarantee it’s a masterpiece.

Someone does not have any idea what they are reading like where exactly is "grooming" that you speak of?
Like develop taste for good things girl

I don’t mean it like that. Grooming doesn’t have to be 100% intentional. Two is getting involved in a relationship with a child, and even if he’s aware that he’s only a child and the marriage is on paper, the child is getting swept in the process and they are both getting involved in that dynamic. Even if Tei doesn’t see Shukara as more than a child, the child clearly doesn’t and spent a lot of time with Tei before the 12 years apart, where they clearly developed a bond. That’s literally evidenced when we see them meeting again, Shukara has feelings. If they had just just met and then separated I would give the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that they spent a lot of time together before leaving (which they clearly established that it had been a while) is just not it. Also, the age gap is hella fucked up, and the dynamic of “I met you as a child and I’m still able to see past that enough to fuck you” is messed up. It isn’t normal to be able to fuck someone you met as a child when you were a fully fledged adult. I know it’s yaoi, and I can turn off my brain and see past a lot of things, but this story even if beautiful, is giving me a hard time. If you say “It’s just a yaoi” I’ll say sure, but I’ll still bitch about it, you do you. But if you say it’s not even a tiny bit messed up, this is where the conversation ends.

Grooming doesn’t always have to be intentional. But I’ll give you this, he doesn’t have a bad intention and has no power on this situation. I’m not criticizing Tei, I’m criticizing the author for establishing a bond between them before the 12 years apart. If they had not interacted for a while before separating, I wouldn’t have much of a problem, because they wouldn’t have developed a relationship/bond. I also wouldn’t mind as much the age gap if they hadn’t gotten to know each other when Shukara was a child, because now, I don’t understand how a fully fledged adult can be able to fuck someone he met as a child while he was an adult. Also, he was technically groomed to be a husband. Not by Tei, but still to marry an adult, even if they had no romantic relationship at the moment, it will become that, or Shukara saw it coded as such. There's definitely a power dynamic. Look, if you say “it’s just a yaoi” I can understand that, and see past it. There’s worse things, but my comment still stands.

Grooming doesn’t have to be 100% intentional. And I’m not exactly saying it’s from Tei, because he clearly has no ill intent. The child was still dragged into a marriage situation with an adult, and even if that adult doesn’t mean for it to be anything more than a piece of paper, the child doesn’t, and they spent enough time together to create a bond. And we know how yaois go, they’ll clearly fuck in the future, and I think it’s fucked up you're able to fuck someone you met as a child while you were an adult. Anyways, I’m not criticizing Tei, I’m criticizing the author. If they had just met and went on their ways, I wouldn’t have minded as much, but seeing as it was established they met for a while to develop a relationship (even if not romantic, at least from Tei’s side) that makes a big difference. I understand it’s “just a yaoi” but I’ll still bitch.

I’ll still keep reading and hope I forget about that aspect, because I don’t doubt it will get good. The artwork is beautiful. But I am able to judge what’s established, since it’s what the rest of the story will stand on fundamentally

A SANE PERSON HELLO

The first thing I saw when I went to your profile is that you’ve read “Profundis”, if you can be alright with literal SA and rape then I really think it’s hypocritical of you to point your fingers at this dynamic when, 1) a romantic relationship hasn’t even begun yet and 2) not enough chapters are out to even claim such a strong disdain. Most people who read yaoi (including me) do read fucked up stuff at some point, I won’t deny that. The reason I’m defending this author so strongly is because I trust their storytelling, writing and characters. BWAT is wayyyy better than most yaoi authors I’ve read and the fact that some people are critiquing her newest work after such a long hiatus is really off putting especially since the story hasn’t even begun properly. Is the age gap borderline messed up? Maybe; subjective really. But don’t pretend like you haven’t read yaoi way more messed up than this. That’s all.

First of all, I didn’t finish reading Profundis. You can literally see my rating is 1 star with a “poopoo caca rape” comment. LOL. Second, I don’t have a strong disdain for this(? I just have a big critique. I’ll still give it a shot because I like the art, but I’ll just try to forget what they started as. I’m not pretending I haven’t, I literally said “if you say it’s just a yaoi, I get that” because yaoi is sadly messed up a lot of times and we have to put things aside to keep reading. I’m reading Jinx, for fuck’s sake! (Especially since it’s been a while since I stopped reading and forgot the bad stuff) But if we also don’t criticize the bad content in a potentially good work (because I like this author’s work too) they’ll keep doing what’s bad and normalize it. I don’t hope they get hated on, the art is gorgeous and they can do great stuff, but I can’t act as if what they are writing isn’t messed up even a little. We shouldn’t hate authors off of a platform, but we should look to be more critical on the content we consume, so it gets better and we don’t normalize bad stuff.

What you’re saying is understandable, I’m just baffled that you’d come to a conclusion about this work so soon lmao. I also don’t think that this is a case of grooming because that requires that both parties participate in it (especially the older one) but the case here is literally the opposite where Shuraka blushes or is nervous around Tei BECAUSE his culture requires that he look at him as his “bride”. Tei clearly doesn’t have any romantic feelings (yet) and wants him to act like a child as he should. I’m not promoting nor condoning child marriage but this manhwa is literally set in a fantastical world?? where this is custom AND normalised. It is upon the readers to distinguish between reality and fiction, unless the author explicitly says that they support some messed up stuff, I really don’t think yaoi should be politicised. Because yaoi as a genre is fucked up to begin with. I see that there’s a difference in opinion lmao so to each their own. Glad that you’re gonna give it a chance though

Finally a sane person in the comments. I like this author but this story wasn’t it. Child bride and groom…. Oh hell nah

Real :/ now to wait for 2027 for yuri's arc to end....

I agree and they tried to justify it by claiming he just took the form of a child but he obviously was not fully mentally developed

The amount of dislikes whenever someone points this out

Yeah he acts like a child so many times
Wish it was made differently too …

Because it’s wrong

*Extremely loud incorrect buzzer*

Keep buzzing because it’s wrong

I beg you guys to use your remaining brain cells, and look up the word grooming. Is the past relationship between the main character and love interest, fucking weird and problematic. Bet your ass it is. But no grooming was involved, main character was literally just raising him and hoping to marry him off, so he can have a good life.

Look up “Eat me up,Husband” now that’s what actual grooming looks like.

Yap yap yap

Bubble bubble bubble

Look, I get what you’re saying. He’s not intentionally grooming him, however, it’s still considered grooming. There’s a power dynamic that the adult is supposed to respect. He has authority over the other person. Regardless of the dragon’s actual age or the form he changed into. He’s extremely immature, and I hate the fact that they keep him acting that way. Like “oh, my wee wee feels weird”. In fact, he does intentionally groom him afterwards when he becomes the person to teach him about sex, even if the dragon pushed him into it. He has the responsibility in that dynamic to put boundaries. The fact that their dynamic and their relationship was that of parenting and authority turned into sexual and marriage, is grooming point blank period. I’m not gonna keep replying to this convo, by the way. There’s a lot, lot of different ways that grooming can look like, whether you like it or not. This is one of the clearest and most obvious ones, even compared to real life situations. I don’t get how you don’t see it. Hence, no need for further discussion.

FR LOL. Too bad I don’t actually give a shit about fetuses who don’t have their frontal lobe close to being fully developed (because I know they are young) disagreeing with something as serious as grooming lmaooo

It’s interesting because you say all of this but will probably still read the work and works similar to it. You took the “grooming” seriously but not the previous amounts of sexual assault that took place?

You’re as dead brain as the fetuses you complain about point blank period.

I don’t, actually. I avoid those types of content. But go off. Lol.

Bro do you even know what is rape? At most what happened was SA. And it wasn't confirm yet it was the duke or the prince. Jeez

You think one is more forgivable than the other??? I’m calling him that for simplicity’s sake, and in my eyes, it’s just as bad. Rape is a form of sexual assault. I don’t think there’s a better sexual assault than the other. SA is still SA. Did you see the amount of hickeys and the places?!?! If you think it’s more forgiving, I have nothing to speak with you. And whether it’s the duke or the prince, my point still stands towards the one that did it.

lol love that the way you put it to makes it sound like it’s not just as bad. What difference does it make if he SA or raped him…

Oh no a duke defeneder right here bro that was clearly grape and from duke lol even confirmed read this sh1t from the beginning

What ? Where ? In which chapter ? I think i missed it

he was the one who made hickeys on Maythen bc and i quote from ch 39:
" It wouldn't be any fun if i tell you that. Why don't you try figuring it out yourself?"
The most concerning line: "If you can't figure out, perhaps i could help you remember waht happened."
If he didnt done it he would get then mad at maythan cause ch 30 and just last chapter ch 41, talking about MC like he owns him and bc of that he def wont let it just slide. Since he is obessive towards him . Also the fact he came from the window proves too that he done it before and the fact he sleeped with him in that chapter "nak3d" proves it too cause no way would sm1 sleep with the one who didnt do it ╮(￣▽￣)╭ very much clear tbh

Ah ok then maybe I need to reread again

Did it sound that way? I think both actions are terrible I'm just saying it's SA and not rape. We say it for simplicity sake. It will make people confused. There's a difference

SA is SA. Legally there’s a differentiation to minimize abuse, because that’s just how the legal system is. It’s a “it’s not as bad as”, but it definitely is. Should be punished and considered the same.