Vilen's Topics (6)

Thank you. that makes so much more sense. I was trying to figure out how that escalated from her flirting with him, to throwing him out the window. like maybe erotic wrestling gone to far or something

Doona has gotten quite a bit of hate in the comments for her personality and her sexual preference. Some of the comments have been deleted. I wouldn't call Doona a role model by any means but I don't hate her for her flaws either.

Minho was verbally abusive which his why people called him an asshole. Minho probably doesn't regret a thing he said to her and thinks the same of her now. She wanted revenge so I won't bash her for that. And afterwards Donna felt guilty for what she had done to him.

I'm not a huge fan of Haesol. Doona made it clear to him that she wanted a sexual relationship, not a romantic one. Haesol wanted more so he was heartbroken, why should I be mad at Donna for that. Sucks for Haesol but she did not want to date him so she rejected him. I'd be inconsiderate for her to continue a sexual relationship with him knowing he has strong feelings for her that she wouldn't return. It is a good thing Doona left Haesol.

Also people are generally more critical of women who seek sexual partners than men. I've seen people bashing Doona for that not only in this comments section but on other sites as well.

Not only that but Minho struck her first so he's not above using physical violence himself.

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This guy right here is a fairly popular character. There are others like him. You're just not looking hard enough. He is 10x worse than Doona and is well liked.

Forgot about that. Yeah that too. Minho's ex girlfriend (chapter 15) also even said that he was swearing at her and being an asshole. Minho wasn't only that way towards Donna. Him being "weak" with a superiority complex doesn't make him any less of an asshole.

I tend to be on Doona's side, not because I think she did nothing wrong but because people call her bitch because she doesn't reciprocate a cute boy's feelings that the fans like, got revenge on a asshole everyone forget has been verbally abusing her and making her writer block even more hellish because he's got a hot body and is their eyecandy and in general being a woman that owns her sexually and is dominant.

Minho is the one who looked at her phone and started calling her a slut or trash talking her for sleeping with Haesol. He did that without any prompting. Minho has been giving bad grades to Haesol because he adores the writer he's jealous of. He is a hot guy and I see NO COMMENT calling him on that shit. And you dare trying to imply he's not an asshole???
He is straight up written as one. He is a GREAT character. But if you excuse him and think he didn't deserved that revenge fuck, then you are SERIOUSLY biased. Only because that's how the comic is written.
The sadistic beauty is Doona. It's normal to want to cheer for her.
Am I forgetting she started a play and spanking Haesol without a word or warning? Nope. She was in the wrong then. She shouldn't have let Minho's taunting get to her and invite him to come to the hotel and get revenge.
I am 100% pourcent glad she did. But I still think it was not the right thing to do.
She hasn't been good to Haesol. Not because she didn't return his feelings but because he a pushover and instead of being considerate, she took advantage of it to make his room hers.

I could find more things I think. But you know what, these are not the things she gets hated for in the comments. You are being a hypocrite. Some people even compared her to the frigging sociopath and serial killer in Killing Stalking?? Because she abused Minho one time after he clearly was the one who tried to poke his nose in his sex life and has been abusing and humiliating her for YEARS.
But sure, keep crying about that scene and how it's proof we are lind and favoriting her because she's a woman. Keep crying injustice when you can only feel sorry for the hot guy who is clearly supposed to be an abusive asshole.

I know I'm not excusing Doona's shit. But yeah, I'll defend her against people's bullshit when they try to drag her for things that are stuff I'm tired to see female characters bashed for. And don't pretend guys that do shit always get bashed. They don't. You can't imagine the number of yaoi fans out there that will get angry if you dare point out their dear eyecandy seme raped the uke and no his love being too strong is not an excuse.

Now get out.

poke his nose in her sex life*

also saying that Doona doesn't get hate is a lie. Her and Gyerin got more hate than I ever saw Minho get. Funny that.

oh and " Minho is overall so weak and can't do anything but be verbally mean" PLEASE

Don't say that about the guy who is a teacher, have enough money to get that watch, publish literary critics, gets interviewed, knows exactly what to say to make his girlfriends feel like shit.
In general, he likes to make himself feel better by blaming others instead of admitting his faults and putting everyone around him down. If Minho ever get that post he's licking boots for, I don't doubt he'll use that power to get colleagues he doesn't like fired. At least I wouldn't be surprised because he thought about it. He already abuses his status as a teacher anyway.
And you says that guy is weak and can only be "mean"... lol okay.

Also, Minho is supposed to be like that? That's the point of his character? But sure, pretend he's inoffensive. A teenager might act like that and you can let it pass. Minho's a grown-up man. An responsible adult (more like, he's supposed to be and looks the part but as readers, we see all his flaws and immaturity)

Wanting to point out when readers are biased or there is problematic content in comics is all well and fine... until you mistake a character's role in the story and misread the whole purpose of a scene that much. Just take that story and its characters as they are instead of trying to distort them so they fit what you're used to.

Lmao it's terrifying that a guy like that is a teacher. I honestly want to know what his problem with doona is, from the flashback Even when he liked doona he was overly critical and harsh Of her writing, like is he jealous? even going as far to hide their relationship because he couldn't stand the idea of ppl knowing his gf was far more successful then him...I mean he's just too insecure jeez.

A couple of people have upvoted but no one has posted in agreeance of OP or in opposition to what has already been replied. I'm seriously wanting someone to explain how poor Minho is so weak because I don't see it at all.

maybe they mean in the context of him only picking on a woman but becomes a pussy around his male peers (acts like everyone is out to get him).

Pretty convenient all the comments that hated on Doona and Gyerin disappeared. But looks like the people who made them are still around alright.

Minho talks down to men too. He acted as though he was superior to Haesol.

Because this site is mostly filled with underage kids who spend their time reading porn, excusing and romanticizing rape and abuse. I don't find it surprising that the comment section is filled with immature comments like 'This bitch should die', but no one is talking about what Doona did to Minho and how that was abuse. If you would like to have a serious debate with people who are of the right age to read and be able to understand what this webtoon is about, then you are on the wrong site.

I have seen some very immature comments but personally I haven't seen a single comment denying that what Doona did was abuse. It was canonically nonconsensual. Both Doona and Minho have addressed it as such. There's really not much to discuss about it. That being said, I feel it is incorrect to deny that Minho was abusive as well and that he was the initiator of the conflict.

I don't deny that Minho was abusive. He is also condescending and a misogynist and he treated Doona like trash, looked down on her and abused her. But, i don't see how Doona is any better if she used violence to get back at him. Yet, people choose to hate Minho for abusing her, but they praise Doona and call her a 'strong independent woman' for abusing Minho. It's hypocritical. So, i personally don't like either of them, and i think that's what the OP was trying to say.

OP called Minho weak and criticized people for calling him an asshole. It wasn't apparent to me that they felt he did anything wrong.

Are you aware of Korean senior/junior culture? That's the point. He "is". But that aside, he's an ass to Haesol because he has a connection to Doona.

oh, sorry, you are right.

Yep. That was exactly my point. You said it better than I ever could. And by calling minho weak, I meant his 'abuse' is mostly verbal and pretty cheap!!! He's a dick but he's getting more hate than he deserves already cuz he's a guy. Doona is a rapist and yet so many people take her side cuz she's a girl XD
They wrote so much and I'm still not convinced why this is happening!! Just seems like biased thinking to me!!!

As I expected and said, everyone is just making excuses for Doona~~ thanks for proving my point. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
I expected to get so many more downvotes on this since most of the users on this site are women.

"bias thinking"

pot calling kettle black.

Do you really think male rapist characters don't get plenty of fans and defenders?

Not sure if you read my comments or halite's comments but neither of see Doona as a role model as you claimed. Some people have a pacifist's mentality and believe violence under any context is unacceptable. That's fine. But it's unreasonable to expect everyone to have that same opinion.

There's plenty of people who upvoted this. I'll assume they agreed with something you said, but for whatever reason chose not to reply. It's important to note that this is a webtoon targeted to women so it should be expected that more women have an opinion on it (〜￣△￣)〜

yeah remember them being called f*gg*ts? but l'm fairly sure that slur isn't used in the yaoi titles around here.

I said both of them are bad but one of them is a rapist and girls are calling her a role model?!! Am I being biased for stating the facts? Ok sounds logical

I never generalized people so if you agree doona is a rapist I don't see why you have to try and defend people who justify her bs? I've SEEN her being called a role model in the comments and basically just praised for the wrong things she does.
And of course I expect more women to vote which is why I said I expected more downvotes. Lol

Um, I'm simply pointing out that female rapists get less hate apparently for being females!!! Never said male rapists don't have defenders!

true, people are admiring her for the one aspect of noncon and not the parts of her being a strong female character in a webtoon for women.

also minho is guilty of assault and sexual harassment. but seeing as it's fictional neither are that deep and l enjoy both characters despite them both getting hate.

call me when someone is defending her conon and I'll be saying the same thing. but mostly I've seen comments wanting her to be raped.

I'm seeing more hate for her than I do for Asami, Fei, Karino, etc. So I'm not sure I can believe this.

We can agree to disagree I guess.

that and there was a comment saying one of the guy (I think it was Minho) should grow a pair, fuck her and put her in her place

Also if someone upvoted this, I'm pretty sure they agreed with what I said. Doesn't matter if they chose not to comment. What could they say? "We agree"? XD I upvote/downvote plenty of comments and choose not to comment since I don't like drama and arguments :/ see.
But what I said is such an obvious situation that anyone who's not biased can clearly see it's worth thinking about!
But again I guess we can agree to disagree.

Idk, I must have missed all the comments saying Doona is a role model, just as you've missed the comments bashing her. Maybe they all got deleted. I commented because I disagreed with all the points you made. The only thing I agree with is that she did abuse Minho but I don't think overall she is just as bad as him.

I've been seeing equal calls for violence towards the woman and minho from different websites. both sides are wrong, but some have more knee jerk reaction towards the sexual threats towards the women in the comic because most are female readers and it's just more common to see sexual violence towards women. there is a lot of it in korean webtoons and that might be one reason the author chanced the roles for her work.

What I said is not even that deep XD people started making drama out of this and writing essays on why doona is nice and why minho is not
I simply pointed out what I saw. It was my opinion. You can hit that downvote/upvote and be done with it but some people apparently felt the need to make a big deal out of this.

You weren't saying both are bad at all at first. And nobody called Doona a role model, seriously. You can drop that.
The hate Doona got was about her being sexual and it's with these comments that I take her side.

She took verbal abuse silently for years, I just get why she's angry. I also know what's it's like to feel humiliated and having to take it silently. As a reader, that scene had a satisfying/wish-fulfillment effect. That's all. Not an excuse.
Hating on a character is basically whether or not you like them. It's not always linked with understanding whether or not their actions are morally right or wrong. You are seriously getting things mixed up.

Frankly it this point, I get you hate Doona. You know what, that's fine. But how you feel about her character isn't a reason why everyone should bash on her and dislike her.

Also the only person I see making excuses is actually you for Minho. It's not because it's words that it's not violent or no big deal.

I'm sure people have more of an opinion than saying "I agree" . It is possible to comment about the manhwa in greater depth. The comments that have been made can be countered with opposing opinions. As I said for whatever reason they chose not to reply.

I just explained to you why choose not to comment most of the times. Not everyone is thirsty for arguments like you.
But there are so many females/feminists here who won't hesitate to defend doona! That's the reason. I say it again, I even expected even more negative responses to this for the same reason.

you: How come doona doesn't get any hate and everyone is making excuses for her??

most replies are polite as they explain why your statement is incorrect; the character gets lots of hate and yes she's flawed and not a role model

you: lulul here come the rapist defenders!

and you wonder why there are readers upset you are basically calling them rape apologists when they simply came to answer your questions.

I called minho 'weak'. By that I meant cheap. I never said he was a saint. And no I don't hate her. And no I didn't make excuses for minho.
Thanks for your response though

Sure, I'm gonna believe you don't like arguments and tried to piss off the women and feminists you expect to be around here completely by accident lol

Because they are all also excuses and didn't really answer my question?
I am talking about people who defend her. I have been from the beginning and I simply pointed out what I saw!!!!!! That she gets less hate. I never called anyone a rape apologist. Where the hell did you get that?!!! I never disrespected anyone here. Stop making drama!
I said I don't see any hate. They said there is hate and I said fine, we can agree to disagree! Because I've never seen any. Just like apparently none of you see all the praising she gets.

I didn't want to 'piss anyone off'
But you're free not to believe

... I read your previous comment and I'm really surprised you didn't see the hate for Doona. But the comments did get deleted. So I'm sorry for that last comment, that was unnecessary.

And as I said for whatever reason they chose not to comment. I honestly don't care for the exact reason they chose not to nor was I asking for an explanation. They chose not to reply, that's fine and dandy. I do not care. "What could they say?" I was just saying that there is more that could be replied than "I agree" (〜￣△￣)〜

You posted an opinionated topic with multiple questions. Do you have a problem with the fact that people actually want to discuss it?

I'm done with this guys. I don’t really have time for arguments and drama. Thanks for your responses whether they were positive or negative. I never wanted to disrespect or anger anyone. I guess I just don't get it. I simply never seen any hate for her. Which was why I decided to point it out? Hope we can agree to disagree.
And have a good day/night

your first comment was inflammatory regardless if you were looking for a fight or not. you said "never gets hate" when you apparently meant "gets less hate". the original comment wasn't worded very well.

you are also calling her a rapist and then saying "why are people defending her/see her as a role model?!" = telling people they are making excuses for a rapist.

and it's actually really simple why women reading this might take up with Doona. she is what so many woman want to do to abusive men in their lives, put them down for always feeling put below men. that's why some readers love her/defend her. she is the female version of porn webtoons targeted towards men with the male mc sticking his dick in every girl especially the girls who verbally put him down, then he really gives her dick until she's his girl.

it's role reversal and that's why women are living through Doona as a sexual fantasy. that's the main point of these porn comics. there are just very few for women by women. that's why this is special. that's why people defend it while most will still be open to discussing the flaws.

They all have their flaws...except for the brother (I'm bad with names).

very well put!

Well to sum up: you wouldn't vote for her or hire her as your baby sitter, but you like to see her spank that ass.

oh i hate her. im here for haesol honestly and how the plot thickens.