Adrian's Topics (181)

There are literally 1000 mangas/mawhas like this on this site, idk why everybody is wilding now lol (〜￣△￣)〜

Doesn't make it right to do so now either (〜￣△￣)〜

bc it’s based on the civil war where we had literal slaves on there, at least most of the slave stuff on here is bdsm or take place in fictional countries. that doesn’t make it right, but this is just fetishization on actual events

The magic of free will and the possibility of just not reading it(〜￣△￣)〜

This isn’t the casual slave and master BDSM type story. This is an actual history in slavery and If there’s other manwhas out there then I doubt people would let that slide.. and they would be wilding out either way.

The magic and free will of informing yourself of history (〜￣△￣)〜

and i also want to add that i don’t like ur strawmanning argument here. so what, its fine that this exists just bc there are other slavery manhwas? slavery manhwas are just weird as hell entirely, allowed to exist in a grey area, but ppl are pissed off here bc in most of these manhwas, it’s between two koreans that have the slave-master relationship. this relationship is entirely based on racial identity that’s entire appeal relies on the fetishization of native americans written by an author who probably never stepped foot in a civil war museum nonetheless America themself

I will not be using gay porn in a drawing format to inform myself about history.
(〜￣△￣)〜 Y'all are deranged lmao

We talking about the creation of this work mind you. If you as an author and artist decide to base your work off of a historical setting,especially one foreign to you. Its for themselves to educate themselves about such things. Your acting dense asf

except porn can still be a harmful medium to use to enable dangerous stereotypes, you spamming ur dumbass emoji doesn’t excuse the fact that ur trying to justify the an artist trying to make money off of events that still affect america to this day in harmful ways

Why are you expecting historically accurate facts on gay porn?
"allowed to exist in a grey area" like 90% of BL manhwa.
Fetishization of gay men by straight women is literally the core of BL. I don't see any of you having issues with reading manhwas/manga written by straight women, where you have a caricature of queer men and their relationships. The classic abuse/rape being one of the topics y'all enjoy the most lol. Not to mention the whole "omegaverse" thing.
Why are y'all suddenly having so many issues that y'all never had before now bc it's based on "America" lol

Am I acting dense af? When you're the one demanding historically accurate gay porn that you will be reading on a pirate site?
(〜￣△￣)〜

bc porn still features stories. i didn’t watch fifty shades of grey fully for just its porn, i still wanted to like the characters and their backstories to feel more attached to when the smuts did happen. idk why we should have lower expectations for erotic stories just bc their base appeal is their smut. good for you, you want to read porn. except porn still has harmful stereotypes in it. porn itself has done critical damage to how men perceive women. and before you say “this isn’t that deep” everything is that deep. critical analyses on stories are how we gain media literacy. this isn’t to say porn is bad, look at how many porn i read. but saying not to look deeper into smth that’s labeled porn is actually degenerate. anything and everything should be looked at critically. this story doesn’t get a free pass just because it’s porn.

trying to use the strawman fallacy again by shifting away from u excusing racism to fetishizing gay men in yaoi i see. rape content is persistent in quite literally every porn imaginable. go onto the straight hentai here, 80% of it is rape. same thing with yuri stuff. this isn’t a yaoi problem, this is a EVERYTHING PORN problem. that’s why literal therapists are trained on how to help patients stop consuming so much porn, because they get desensitized to rape. ur just regurgitating arguments ppl have against women reading yaoi lol.

also wtf is wrong w omegaverse. now ur just spitballing anything and everything bc u know i clocked u lol.

The whole concept of BL affects queer men in harmful ways. I don't see you going to every straight woman who writes manwhas or manga questioning their facts and dangerous stereotypes about queer men; in fact, I see y'all enjoying it. Bc again, you understand that you're consuming gay porn in a drawing format and that it's not a real representation of queer men. But then again its all about "but its about america"

You're comparing a netflix movie with a korean gay porn manwha that's not even translated to english lmfao. Girl bye, like I said yall are deranged.

This manhwa mind you is telling you its story, reducing it to "gay porn" is major ick. They are telling a STORY using a historical setting. And why are you running pr for an author on a pirate site. (〜￣△￣)〜

bro who are u even talking about anymore. ur acting like everyone who is commenting about this manhwa negatively are the same people who consume rape content. u literally don’t know that. ur putting millions in one community and act like they all have the same opinions. who is “yall”. there is no yall. everybody here reads different stuff. idek what ur argument is anymore. ur fine with this existing but then not rape content even though this is literally a slave-master relationship. hypocritical as hell . and no, BL doesn’t affect queer men in harmful ways. bc queer men literally write bl’s too. like wtf? it’s wrong for queer men to be written in romances? i’m so confused by u bro

girl bye they’re both porn. that’s their similarity. i like how u don’t even read the essay i wrote you. u know ur in the wrong. this is just pathetic lol

no literally. i’ve never seen someone trying to make the weirdest loops to justify the fact that they’re gonna enjoy a slave-master relationship. it’s literal brainrot

Exactly, if you don't like the story the author is trying to tell, hear me out on this one, just don't read it. (〜￣△￣)〜
I'm just here enjoying my time in the same way you're demanding the author to create a historically accurate setting with a story that you like on a pirate site

if you don't like the comments you're reading here, then just stop reading them ╮(￣▽￣)╭

No way you are blatantly ignoring your labeling a manhwa that is "apparently" story driven as "gay porn". Its coming of as disingenuous on your part bringing up realworld issues affecting queer men all the whiles defending any criticism on this author of ignorant portrayals on history that STILL affects poc people today.

" and no, BL doesn’t affect queer men in harmful ways. bc queer men literally write bl’s too."
What kind of argument is that "GAY MEN write ABOUT GAY MEN too, so it's okay for straight WOMEN to write harmful stereotypes and fetishize queer men"? Pretending that BL is an industry produced for and by queer men???????? lmfao. I forgot that the BL (an asian product/market ) is run by queer men and with queer men as their main demographic LMAO.
"wtf? it’s wrong for queer men to be written in romances?" when did i even say that lol
I'm not defending anybody, I'm just saying if you're gonna play moral police, use that hat always (〜￣△￣)〜 You will survive, the author will survive, and no korean woman will buy and read this manwha with the intent of learning about American slavery ╮(￣▽￣)╭

You will survive this one. I'm sure. (〜￣△￣)〜

bc BL is quite literally a diverse genre that isn’t just composed of asian works? idt these authors gaf if men read their works, that’s more money for them. so yes it is made for them, and are created by them. u don’t know half of these authors or their genders, u can’t just say they’re all women lol. a lot of them are anonymous. and i don’t believe that all these thousands upon thousands of works all perpetuate harmful stereotypes for queer men. ur acting like queer men don’t enjoy BL either. literally look at all the bl influencers on tiktok. half of them are queer men. idk who ur trying to convince anymore. and yes i do use my morals to decide what i read and will rate based on that as well. stop acting like im the hypocrite. u r babe

" bringing up real-world issues affecting queer men all the whiles defending any criticism on this author" I bring up those issues bc you all have no problem ignoring them. Most of these stories are full of harmful queer men stereotypes and problematic stories; the authors can't even position the prostate gland accurately, and I've never seen ANYBODY demand the authors to correct, change, fix, or educate themselves on queer men history. Y'all are having issues with the way they depict the setting, but not having issues with the depiction of queer men as a whole in the genre is the most hypocritical thing. If a Korean person is gonna read this manhwa and get the wrong idea or information about the slave history of America, then is a bad thing but not the constant misrepresentation of queer men??? Even this other person saying "bl does not affect queern men" but this story will affect POC?
I'm just highlighting how y'all pick and choose. I've seen what the bl world does to queer men on social media.
Anyways it's already late here, enjoy all the other manwhas but this one.

man i’ve never had the biggest urge to insult someone that i’m arguing w online but u really make me want to lol. like u said, i will survive not cussing u out lmao

and also i won’t respond to anything else u send. u clearly refuse to actually read anything that people are saying to you and reflect on ur harmful way of thinking. it’s not worth me wasting my time trying to actually write up an essay and the person i’m debating with only responds to a handful part of it. bye!

BL is asian work. Are you on crack?
Any media portraying queer men does not make them BL. Check your facts.
" literally look at all the bl influencers on tiktok." not this being an argument （/TДT)/
Since you clearly love being historically accurate, read the origin and the demographics of BL. You don't need to lie or use TikTok as an argument.

"i don’t believe that all these thousands upon thousands of works [ALL] perpetuate harmful stereotypes for queer men." I, as a queer men, do believe it's full of them, especially the ones that for some reason allways become most popular and especially the "omegaverse" one where pretty much rape and abuse is the main plot always.

" and will rate based on that as well." Im sure your 1-star on mangago will make the author. (〜￣△￣)〜

Why are you generalizing a group of people like that. Are you for real?!?!? And for starters you were the one to bring up the topic of harmful stereotypes regarding queer men in BL while disregarding the harmful depiction the author chose using such a setting because its a "pirate sit" or "its gay porn" just gtfo bro. The author could have simply chose to not include said depiction of a post civil war era while still having her work in a wild west setting like other great manhwas have done.

I read your essay, but your first point was too stupid to engage with the rest. "50 shades of gray" is porn lmfao I didn't know Netflix was showing holes now
The fact that you're comparing a MOVIE ON NETFLIX to a manhwa on Lezhin is crazy. xdddddddd girl byeee like I said you will survive, POC in america will too just like queer men survived the homophobic depiction of them in bl that you have no issues with (〜￣△￣)〜

and what’s ur point? doesn’t mean this should be normalized either. it’s not just some typical bdsm master x slave trope, THIS is an actual historical thing

one word "americans"

Ain't no way you can be this dense bruh

Not you deleting the replies

Nobodies deleting shit I was just curious because I didn’t know what was happening. Thanks for answering I guess?

i'm assuming you're not american so how abt you dont comment on a real historical event that didnt affect you or your ancestors at all

some people are defending this because "anything goes" and "why couldn't there be a Korean bl series about American history", and I don't even really disagree with that. any kind of story can be told by and about anyone. but that doesn't mean or that it won't promote or reinforce lies, harmful ideas or that it'll be free from criticism.

anything's possible, so maybe this creator will turn out to have done their research and not be insensitive or ignorant, but I'm already skeptical due to the choice of character backgrounds. like of all the kinds of people and stories you could tell about this time period in this place, why are these the ones chosen? what's the appeal of their dynamic? why choose this setting and time period for that? if the creator hasn't done their due diligence, those questions will have very unflattering answers.
as it stands, it looks like a very deliberate choice to write around the existence of Black people who lived during that time even though their presence is integral to the livelihoods of the MCs. maybe the author thought they'd avoid the backlash they're now getting by doing that, but that's still an expression of racism, by ignoring that Black people are also people who want their stories and experiences told and treated with respect. and if the author didn't want to include Black people, which they're ultimately not obligated to do, they would have been better off choosing another topic and setting to write about, because like it or not, when writing about American history, you'll have to grapple with the racial dynamics of this country one way or another, to say nothing of the civil war era (even postwar) where the crux of the conflict was "what are we going to do with Black people (are they even people?)". to then make the only Black people in the story be faceless mobs seemingly only with the intention of making the white MC look good and ethical, just rubs salt in that wound. if the author wanted an interracial cowboy romance with this particular dynamic, they had other options for time and setting (and not to mention that those power and racial dynamics are present in other times as well).
every choice a creator makes in their story reflects their knowledge and interests, which are not free from bias. intentional or not, I see a lot of opportunity for missteps here.
I liked these threads for more background info - https://x.com/SPLover1863/status/2069382347972063697
https://x.com/SPLover1863/status/2069512321475465603

racism isn't always direct insults and targeted violence. it's also erasure and exclusion, putting particular people in particular roles. similar to how bullying isn't always physical violence, racism can operate in all kinds of subtle ways that can be hard to explain to other people if they aren't the target of it. many explanations have also been given in these comments for why people are reacting negatively to this.

The story is based on American history are you retarded?

Friend, you're talking about gay porn in 2D, not a historical piece that will be read in the classrooms of Korea

How about I do whatever I want? It doesn't get more American than this LOL

Are you? I'm sorry the gay porn you're reading on a pirate site is not historically accurate for you.

"It doesn't get more American than this" While you're arguing over an american history inspired story

over an american history inspired gay porn story* ┗( T﹏T )┛

while it's true that people shouldn't be looking towards fictional works for their primary history education, historical fiction is often a gateway to knowledge for many, and can shine a light on events, people, and topics in an engaging way that people might not otherwise get. I don't think lies and inaccuracies should go unchecked or without criticism, particularly when it comes this things like this that often unconsciously shape people's views and ideas of historical events and race, especially when they don't have much formal education on it.
what's the problem with people having conversations and talking about this.
presumably this doesn't matter to you, because you don't care, which makes me wonder why you're spending time on this.

ur ragebait abilities outlive anything i could ever imagine.

Is this gonna be fluff? Legit can't understand this cuz first few chapters got my anxiety going ToT

It is sorta! (づ￣ ³￣)づ it’s a combination of both really lol!