KaSaHa's Topics (88)

Yeah. Poor Bai Yue. Anyone please spoil me too.

Please me too 〒▽〒
I'm assuming his body got broken because of getting raped

Yeah I thought the same way... Or maybe he intentionally broke his own body after he got raped? I don't know. I feel like Bai Yu is a little bit of an M

Maybe he’s dry? You know, chance of no kids?

Oh right. Maybe it was that.

it's so simple, don't like it? don't read!

Yep... Same old rules. Don't need extra energy just to badmouth the characters or the storyline.

yes, at least respect the author's work.

The only issue in going to address in this is the fact that you seem to think a gay couple couldn’t start a relationship with a child already in the picture. Yeah it’s fiction, but there are single gay parents out there who are doing a great job dating and including that child in their lives. And maybe you’re talking about the stigma, but being gay would have no influence on how well they could raise a child.

And no this is not bullying or getting angry with you. Just pointing out that your thinking is flawed and narrow minded.

well the title of the webtoon does give away what the story is about. and i find the story quite realistic when it comes to the kids. this is coming from someone that didnt have parents by my side for 9 years of my life. i was raised by my grandma till i moved in with my real mom in a different country. i called my grandma mom and got bullied over it by classmates when i was young.

its possible to get attached to someone unrelated and call them mom too. when i worked at a daycare a kid there got attached to me and called me mom and would cry when i'm not in sight.

and yes they can raise yul becz they give him love and also teach them hings that is easy to understand and here i'm thinking if i ever get to take care of a child again i want to use jihwan's words to explain things to them so its easier for the child to understand things. sure they do spoil yul a lot but at times when its needed they step up and stand their grounds.

and they do get to be lovey dovey at times just like how straight couple have difficulty having that alone time when there is a child around. since they are both males its not as easy for them after all but that doesnt mean they can't raise a child together. some gay couples are better at raising a child and being family than a staright couple you know.

when i was 5 years old i took are of my cousin that was just born so i know its not easy to take care of kids. i might not have experienced it as a parent since all i did was just change diapers, change their clothes, feeding, make their bottle, making their baby food, play with them, telling bed time stories and help them fall asleep.
as i grew up i babysit other people's babies/kids and later on in my college i was an intern and did summer jobb at daycare and elementary school


i'm sorry if this comes over as aggressive but i'm not mad or anything.. just wanna tell you my point of view aswell

Most people who are still here and reading this manwha are only really here for the family aspect anyways. Like I feel like that's kinda what you sign up for when you click on a book with that type of title. A lot of people like to wind-down and read family orientated fluff type manhwas all the time. Also I find it annoying how you claimed that maintaining a relationship as a gay couple (& straight) is impossible which is just not true at all - feels a little homophobic there. Also even if that were the case, this is a work of fiction and the author is very obviously pursuing a family based plot here. It sounds to me that you don't like the child in the picture at all, which is kind of dumb considering he's the main focus of the whole story. The child is really the only reason I'm reading it. There is an array of stories out there with romance and even family type romance focused stories. I get that that is ur opinion and you have a lot of frustrations with it but by staying and still getting mad abt it isn't going to help you. As you've already said maybe dropping this is in your best interest.

i agree with you ... i wrote a long essay about stuff lol. i'm just kinda sad that people sometimes don't understand the story and about how a gay couple raising children can be as good or even better than a straight couple...

i also here for the baby since i could tell from the title that the baby is gonna be the main focus on the story... at first i didnt like jun but now i love the whole thing XD

THIS THIS THIS! I thought that sounded a little bit like internalised homophobia, maybe an subconscious negative reaction to gay relationships and couples. Which I found strange since op seemed to enjoy reading BL??

Exactly this! Like I don't understand why op stuck around to get even more disappointed? Like I'm not here to argue with them or anything I just dont see the point of their comment. This story is entirely what you would expect from both the blurb & the title.

I think this has been one of the best slice of life’s involving a gay family I’ve read. So seeing a comment implying that it’s too unrealistic to have a gay couple raise a kid is frustrating af. Yeah it’s unrealistic that you would ask your best friend to raise a kid with you but it’s been the premise of Hetero dramas before so pointing out that it’s an issue cause they’re gay does feel homophobic. So I just hope OP really takes a look into why they think that way, especially considering as someone else pointed out, they read a lot of BL.

IMO, one of the worst things you can be in this fandom is a person who fetishizes same sex couples, and is prejudice against them irl.

yeah... i thought the title is a dead give away what its gonna be about... and the story is quite realistic when it comes to the kids especially yul and siwoo... since i can relate to both of them ... even tho i dont have a gay couple raising me but instead i got my grandma raising me and i call her mom. so i point it out that a child can get attached to other people and call them mom cuz that happened to me before as i was an intern at the daycare one of the baby/kid called me mom and wouldnt let me walk out of their sight.. which was funny cuz in the beginning she would cry if she saw me cuz she didnt like me looooooool ... she was hella adorable lol

yeah i also found it the best slice of life in bl also ... well together with the omegaverse that i was reasing they do more the teaching about the real world more than this one but to be honest both are quite nice to read. as someone that have been in contact with a lot of kids i know they arent always like this some are even waaaay more spoil than yul
i find the children in this webtoon quite realistic a children that you dont just read in a story but those you find in real life.

maybe i'm used to it cuz i watch a few thai drama that involves kids and the dad is gay... so i didnt see the problem in it only part is that the view from their surrounding judges them cuz its a child raised by a gay dad... so often its not accepted.. which is really said cuz some gay guys loves kids so much and they have so much love to give to the child

I'm not going to reply one by one. And I don read all of opinion. It makes sense. But people have their own background that leads to my comments. So I will tell you why I said all of that.
I'm homophobic? Of course not. If it's like that, I probably doesn't read bunch of shounen ai or yaoi genre. You can check what I read in my homepage. Maybe I seem like that to you because of my prejudice. Really, I'm not saying gay people can't raise a child. I'm just saying that it will be harder for a gay people who just got together to suddenly raise a child. Maybe you guys misinterpreted my comments. And the second point is I'm just saying they're to spoiled to Yul. Well they do scold him sometimes but most of it they just let it go. And they sometimes 'lied' about some things. Which I don't like. And this is because I studied developmental psychology. So I'm saying this not because they're gay. I'm just saying their method of raising is wrong. That's all. Yul eventually know that a child is born from a woman and a man. Not a man and a man. But at first they didn't get honest with him. Well maybe the role of mom can be given to someone else since his own mom doesn't care about him. But still Mom usually is a woman. And in the past someone in the internet, who acknowledge him/herself as gay, that gay people doesn't want to be called wife. Means they don't like to be interpreted as a 'girl'. But really I am not that homophobic as you guys thought. And as I said this is just a fiction. So I don't really have to be so worked up and get too serious. I usually don't mix between a fiction and non fiction.

And you guys are confused why I still read it? I found this webtoon today. So I tried readinh it. Well why don't I drop this? I have a habit to finish what I read or watch. So whether the story/film/anime/webtoon is bad I still read it until the end. At least the main story.
And yep I like because it involves a child. But sadly the plot isn't to my liking. And I already said above that I prefer a manhua called "Whose baby is it?" It involves and revolves around the baby. But the plot is more satisfying for me.

Maybe that can answer some of your confusion about my POV? And please don't judge me because I'm narrow minded or anything.
People have different opinion, background, education, personality and all. I can't explain all of that in a paragraph. I respect all your opinion. And I tried not to badmouth the author or the webtoon itself. As I said numerous times already. I'm just letting out my frustration as well as pointing an opinion about this. Maybe like a review. A review that is so biased. I know.

I have a typo... I do read all of the opinion

I'm just saying what I want to say. I don't intend to debate for this. Because there is no right or wrong in this. So I'm not gonna reply anymore. Not because I'm a coward or anything. As you guys can't understand my disliking, I probably can't get to like it even though you guys explained all of that. That's all from me. Sorry for this biased opinion. You guys enjoy the side stories. I'll just read other stories. (=・ω・=)

the role of a mom in a sociaity go for is a woman but in jun's case he didnt really hated being called mom.. jihwan and yul didnt really treat him as a woman either...he only got the title of a mom but he didnt required to be a woman.. maybe in the beginning he didnt like it since he didnt like kids to begin with.

i know a lot of people that are gay arent always the type that wanna be in the female role. since there are different kind of being gay. i grew up with clasmates that likes the same sex and some have sexchange. so its not like i'm ignorant about gay guys that doesnt wanna take on that role.

and with yul i dont think its all that bad when he does something bad they tell him tho... even if they didnt tell yul about how baby is made its normal isn't it ??? usually people struggle with explaining it plus also having a siblings doesnt always having your parents making a baby. now adays you can also adopt. being siblings doesnt always have to be blood related.

at least yul was raised well while me on the other hand been lied to my whole life by my so called parent. and asking for answers wasnt allowed. i know for you its hard to believe.. as you said everyone has different backgrounds and different personalities... but its also good to know about these type of settings. my teacher always tell me to observe the children and observe their behaviors around people and their parents and understand them. parents arent perfect and they learn by making mistakes like every human beeing be it what kind of sexuality they are they are all imperfect.

and no one really said you are homophobic its just the stuff you wrote sounded that way


i know you might not read and will surely not reply to this but this is for my peace of mind bcz it will trigger my mental health if i keep it to myself so i just type it out and post it. just don't mind me

The only piece I’m going to reply to again goes back to some of the heteronormative issues in your follow up. Mainly the issue of Jun being called “mom”. I think the most important thing to note is that neither Yul or Jihwan ever call him “mom” to imply the role of the “woman” (I can’t even remember if Jihwan has ever called him mom at all tbh). Yul calls him mom because he’s the other half to Jihwan, and in a heteronormative society we call pairs raising a child “mom and dad”. That’s why Yul gets so confused at day care that his “mom” isn’t seen as mom but his peers.

And again, the issue of being gay and raising a child from the start isn’t an issue exclusive to a gay couple. Any couple would find it extremely difficult to try and start raising a kid together and then choose to begin dating. Saying that it would be “difficult for a gay couple” implies that a straight couple would have an easier time. They wouldn’t for the main reason that Jun and Jihwan haven’t needed to try dating in public yet, with the exception of these latest chapters.

Anyway, I have this muted so I probably won’t respond again. I’m not responding to the other stuff which is your opinion, mainly cause I don’t agree with those points at all, and don’t see a reason to explain it. I am also reading Whose baby is it, and personally see both children contributing well to the relationships their a part of, which, imo, yul is more involved in the relationship building.

i miss the translator that used to update daily but the main group stopped them from uploading even when they don't update this manhwa at all

Yow I think it wasn't dropped. We were just waiting for the original translator to catch up because someone did a update spree.(I'm not mad thou rather grateful, but just thought about the original's feelings being hurt or something)

im sorry i didn't think that way, but yeah i think the original translator is having a hard time to keep up i hope they're okay

SAMEE I dont like him either. he reminds me of those white lotus bitches

Finally someone who agreed with me. I don't like this typical man. I like man more like Baiyu and ... I forgot the name... Yan an body guard. Lol... Even zizhao is fine. Although he acts like that but he was true to his heart. But Feiyue is the typical white lotus man.

Fei Yue is afraid Yan An might get hurt again, she was already hurt before and had no one she won't even lean on Fei Yue and instead did not favor him and ignored him. The Yan An now was different and Fei Yue like her change but when Bai Yu showed up again he's afraid the past will repeat again.

not sure if you forgot but i believe there was a scene before when the younger/real li yan an got mad at fei yue and blamed him for her being separated from bai yu. i interpreted it as him being afraid that yan an will revert back to the person she was and lose love for him which is why he wants to limit the mc and bai yu’s interaction as much as possible. don’t forget that fei yue had a tough childhood too and his mother was physically harsh with him. he wasn’t treated well and was mostly used as a tool for political reasons. i think this mistreatment can also be an explanation for the fact that he always acts so passive and selfless most of the times since he was brought up to think that way. ever since the mc has been caring towards fei yue and has been slowly changing him, i’m sure that he doesn’t want to lose any of that affection soon. i expect that fei yue would see bai yu, a man that li yan an once loved so dearly when she was younger to the point that she would condemn their marriage, as a threat to their relationship.

I find it funny to question her husband behavior when his wife spend the night with someone he use to like. and even if i like bai yue its really mean of him to question fei yue behahior when he is the one who lack dignity in the situation. i know that eventually bai yue would marry the princess but im very disapointed whith his attitude. dont forget that he is the one who left her! ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

He didn't left her? The plot never said that. He still accompany her until she got married to Feiyue.

But the facts remains the same though. He will never get full about the affection part as Liyan an have many husbands. More over Li yan an herself already got tired pf playing love. So she just focused on how to survive in the palace.
I know Fei yue has a harsh past. But dunno. Maybe because I don't really like man that is too insecure.
Well maybe I can't really blame Fei yue. But I can't really like him either. I want liyan an to just never favor one concubine.

Get hurt from what? The one who is really hurting her in the past is because the she married Fei Yue because of politics. Baiyu never hurt him though. Feiyue has already the affection of liyan an. So why can't she share some to Baiyu?

Since in the past Yan An loved Bai first and literally told Fei Yue that she wished she was married to Bai and not him (this was a long time ago but he has flashbacks to it still so it still hurts him) so unlike Yan Ans other husband's who he's confident won't replace him as first consort most beloved, he feels Bai could replace him.

Share to Baiyu?? From the start Baiyu had all of Yan's affection (づ￣ ³￣)づ how can someone forget the past when it was Baiyu and Yan an who had eachother... It was indeed political marriage but have you also forgotten after that political marriage Baiyu left ?? hmmm...

I don't know about that, just where do you think Baiyu was at all those years ?? He even only just came back from who knows where -.- all I know after the marriage with Feiyue, Yan An grew up without Baiyu until mc took over the body lol

Isn't that more reason why Yan An should keep her distance to Baiyu if you don't want her to favor just one husband ?? After all even if Yan an can't remember about Baiyu her heart still aches whenever she sees Baiyu that must be why she keeps her guard up to Baiyu (The real Yan An loved Baiyu dearly when she was young)

yeah we can all have our likes and dislikes tbh. i also can’t blame fei yue for being traumatized from the past. i’m sure he’s just afraid that history will repeat again and that yan an will do the same thing she did before when she was younger which is favoring bai yu once again over their marriage, and treating fei yue badly. i’m sure that with a few more chapters, this misunderstanding will be resolved tho so don’t worry. fei yue is just scared and he doesn’t want to get hurt again. some old wounds never truly heal.

Emmm... But the li yan an right now always gets cautious around baiyuthough. No affection whatsover. And she already give so much affection to feiyue.
And we don't know why he left. Is everyone hating baiyu right now?

Yeah but I just felt pity for baiyu right now. All he has done in the present is good. But Feiyue act like a hostile wife. And he already have many affection from yan an compared to baiyu at the present time. Sure feiyue is so pitiful in the past. But now his position is stable. Yan an cares about him. But who will carefor baiyu? Yan an still feel cautious around him. maybe we really need yan an to untangle all the misunderstanding. Because we all know that baiyu will be one of the male leads too. So no matter feiyue like him or not, they will meet with each other again.

There you have it. Baiyu never hurt her. Instead feiyue is the one who become greedy. So who's the most pitiful right now? I just felt pity for baiyu. Not only he doesn't get the affection from yan an right now, he was getting a hard time because of feiyue.

not really besides the reason why MC acts like that because of what the past Yan An did to Feiyue and Feiyue is not a greedy guy he doesn't even say what he wants he's just by the princess's side and as for Baiyu I don't really hate him it's just you who doesn't like the way Feiyue acts you can't blame him though atleast he's taking steps now instead of just sitting around like the typical wife who just stays home

*if you're saying Feiyue gets a lot of affection I don't really think so if you look at it Yan an is just doing her duties as his wife same goes for butterfly and just like you said Yan An is focusing more on survival didn't you say so ?

I don't really get when you said I have it lol Why can you be so sure Baiyu never hurt her anyway ? The princess would've have grown up happy you know if that was the case but she didn't all she needed that time was Baiyu but Baiyu is nowhere sadly... Are you saying Feiyue is greedy because he's keeping Yan An away from Baiyu ? I don't think Feiyue is doing that out of jealousy or anything tho
why do you think Feiyue is acting like that to Baiyu ? for me it's because Feiyue who has witness Yan An's change thinks that Baiyu would get in the way of Yan An especially since Baiyu is Yan an's childhood love. Because of that love even when Yan An is a royalty she would rather throw all of those just to be with Baiyu (that's also the reason why Baiyu left btw) and do you think Yan An would survive by leaving everything behind and not marry Feiyue to be with Baiyu? No she wouldn't (it's an order of the Empress herself on top of that so more reason why Yan an should go with the political marrige)
*Don't forget political marriages during this era is a way of survival


Do you think all of this would be solved if Yan An just married Baiyu after marrying Feiyue ? She wouldn't have thought of that tbh she was still a kid with no one guiding her so that's just how the plot goes hahaha

Have you read the newest chapter? Are you still replying like this knowing what have feiyue done to baiyu?
More over it might me him who make baiyu fears woman.
Feiyue is the typical act pitiful but scheming behind the scenes. Maybe he's not really that evil because he regretted his action. The white lotus one.
I prefer someone who acts pitiful like zizhao. He doesn't hurt others even when he wants to get yan an affection. But not feiyue. He's greedy.

And as i said. I never said yan an should just married baiyu. This is a harem manhua. I prefer the MC doesn't just prefer one over the guys. Fram what I have seen so far, feiyue has the most affection.
What am I talking about is not about the political war. My dissatisfaction with feiyue is because he acts like a white lotus.

I replied to this before reading the newest chapter I am just saying this because I am not the type who puts my dissatisfaction to characters I try to be open minded as possible and look at it from a different perspective I don't really hate any of the potential husbands nor I have a favorite me defending Feiyue is of my satisfaction, no matter what they have done I just can't bring myself to hate Feiyue for examlple.... I understand why they did this and that but I can't stand you hatin' on Feiyue try to understand him atleast like you do to people you like, I can't understand why people can't see others beauty there's nothing right or wrong about people who are greedy, jealous, two-face and etc. goodness and evil exist side by side

Well you can't force someone to like something though. You have your own opinion. I have mine. And I prefer not to correlate it with real life though. What I like in realy life is different from what I do for hobbies.
Why are we talking about the principle of life now? I prefer not to be so deep like that. But if I want to response to your claim that "two faced people greedy and etc" is not 'wrong', then can you really say that to the victim of people who get hurt by that? Don't try to force your own principle to others.
Sure everyone has their own struggle but it doesn't mean I have to give my sympathy to all kind of people. I'm not a saint. It's a bullshit if someone can really like any kind of person without any hate inside their heart. Of course it's different if you're a saint.
And back to the topic, I just said I don't really like him. If yan an changes her behaviour a bit, which is to give her affection equally, I don't mind feiyue being like that. #shrug. I'm not going to badmouthed a chara just because I don't like him. Because that story was made by someone. I prefer to appreciate the works that the author give us. That's all I want to say.

okay I ain't gonna force you or anything hahah if that's what you think I can't really do anything about it but state my opinion and I am fine with that... Now I don't even know what we're arguing on from the start (´-﹏-`；)

Well... We can just enjoy how the story goes. I don't intend to make enemies. So let's just forget this discussion. Sorry if maybe I'm to sensitive or I hurt you by any chance. No hard feelings.

Hahah same here I am not going to pick a fight with someone or something, it will just spoil the mood I am sorry too if I offended you or was rude to you No hard feelings too (•ө•)♡

Let's enjoy the story, happy reading (^^)v

Because of the events leading up and after their separation, Bai Yu was raped and abused by multiple women. He left a hard life.

That is all I want to stay in regards to his disappearance.