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True--I don't know Japanese so I don't know what is right. I have seen cases where even official translations are a little off--so who knows?

you know, I recently realized that there are two translations of some chapters, including the opening volume, the one here, and a different one done by another translator on myreadingmanga:
https://myreadingmanga.info/takarai-rihito-ten-count-volume-1-eng/
https://myreadingmanga.info/?s=ten+count

He's a psychiatrist.

As far I i can see he is a psychotereapist.

I thought he was a psychologist, but maybe I was wrong.

1)Here he says he is a "consuelor" (dooes not solve much but for psychologist or psychiatrist "doctor" fits better mabey?
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c001/32/
2) psychiatrists dont do psychoterapy. They use psychoactive drugs for patients who need help beyond therapy.

See, I associated "counselor" with a psychologist (usually a PhD or PsyD) and the person who sees a client for five minutes and then writes a prescription with a psychiatrist (an MD with a specialization). Maybe that is just US convention?

The manga is licenced in my country and in the official translation he's a psychiatrist, that's why her colleague call him doctor. Also he did study to help peoples with big phobia like Shirotani, most of the time for that you go to a psychiatrist or psychologist.

thank you so much!

thank you so much. There's such a big difference between psychiatrist and psychologist. It was confusing. I like him better as a psychiatrist, and I read the whole thing thinking he was a psychologist. Now I have an excuse to read ten count again. LOL.

thank you!

I had that impression, too

yeah, it sounded like it, didn't it? but then the patients are calling him sensei and doctor. It seemed like it could be either one. I really like the contrast in the beginning where he looked like he could be a bike messenger, then we find out he's a doctor.

thank you for the good info and for the link. I wonder if kurose was softening the doctor part by saying "counselor" so shirotani wouldn't feel intimidated.

thanks. I wonder if it might be a language barrier sort of thing.

Yes it is, Kurose is a psychologist, correctly he is a clinical psychologist http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c002.5/4/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_psychology
As a psychologist myself, it has bothered me that he is referred as a psychiatrist. Psychologist use exposure therapy treatment anxiety to treat disorders, such as PTSD and specific phobias (mysophobia), a psychiatrist would have prescribed drugs (anxiolytics).

*Psychologist use exposure therapy treatment to treat anxiety disorders, such as PTSD and specific phobias (mysophobia), a psychiatrist would have prescribed drugs (anxiolytics).

Yeah but don't forget that a psychiatrist have the same basic training that a psychologist so Kurose would know about exposure therapy . The fact is that Shirotani is not an official patient so Kurose couldn't even if he want, give him medication legaly. We have no proof that be doesn't give or recommand drugs to bus other patients. And like I say before in France the manga is licenced and the official translation is psychiatrist.

''Yeah but don't forget that a psychiatrist have the same basic training that a psychologist...'' – No they don't, not even close. They are completely different fields of study and use completely different approaches to therapy. Exposure therapy is something a psychologist would use. I get it that that is the translation in France, but understand that the translation can be wrong. Once again I myself am a psychologist and work in this field, trust me when I say that he is a clinical psychologist.

Well I don't know about other country but in France if you want to be an psychologist or a psychiatrist you have three options : go study biology or psychology or medecine in university and only after 3 years you can choose one or another. So I don't know about japan but here psychologist and psychiatrist do have the same basic training.

After the 3 years of basics, people can choose to pursue psychologie or psychiatry (or other fields of study) and have to specialise in their choice for 5 more years.

In my country they are completely different fields you study to be a psychologist for 5 years than specialize branch of psychology of choosing (e.g. clinical) and to be a psychiatrist you study medicine for 6 years and then specialize in psychiatry. But still, basic or not, it still stands what I said, they are completely different fields of study and use completely different approaches to therapy.

completely different approaches to therapy is the important part here

Yes. In the US people usually get an undergrad degree first (maybe in psychology or biology or premed, but maybe not) and then apply either for either graduate school (for a psychologist a PysD or PhD--in some cases a "counselors" may have a MA or degree on social work) or go the med school (where they can specialize in psychiatry). We call many people with advanced degrees "Dr. X" but only an MD is a "doctor".

in case we're still discussing this, In Chapter 35, Ueda says, "Are you a doctor?"
I'm paraphrasing from memory so I might be off: "I'm in Internal Medicine, in Psychiatry, but what I do is different from other doctors." Thing is, we have lots of conflicting information here, so the above is subject to uncertainty as well as all else. Here's some links to various bits about Kurose's profession: http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c001/32/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c002.5/4/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c006/9/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/c005/pg-4/

http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v02/c012.2/2/
http://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ten_count/mf/v01/c002/3/ <~I'm pretty sure someone made a mistake here. I could be wrong but it looks like the card should be Kurose's not Shirotani's.

In the Japanese version, he's a "kaunserā" aka a "qualified psycholgical counselor".

I guess it's a cultural thing. In the official English version, he's stated to be a therapist. In the French version, he's a psychiatrist.

What is referred as counseling in Japan is always about the domain of psychology. Not sure how it is actually in the English western world, but I thought I'd clarify that aha.

They even borrowed an English term for it (kaunserā is the japanese pronounciation of conselor). That's because counseling and psychotherapy is not a Japanese concept but a very western one, and it's still not quite familiar to lots of Japanese natives.

Also, apparently psychotherapy can also be administered by a psychiatrist in Japan. But they usually don't, because of time constraints (too many people for a few doctors), it's quicker to go with pharmacotherapy. Plus, psychotherapy/counseling is not available for health insurances, as it's not legally a medical care.

So while they can, it's still more of a psychotherapist/counselor thing.

Since this is fiction, it may be that the mangaka doesn't care to differentiate. In another manga, a character called "Dr. Minori" appears to be a combination chiropractor, physical therapist, massage therapist, and applied sex therapist (and a soccer coach).

He's clearly said to be a psychologist, or at least perform counseling (well, in the official version, not scanlations). It's just that in Japan, the two often mix it seems, psychiatrists can do psychotherapy as well, so that may be confusing.

It also explains the part where he says he's saying "I'm in Internal Medicine, in Psychiatry, but what I do is different from other doctors.". It's just rare to have psychotherapy practiced in Japan.

Haven't yet read it in the original language aside from the summaries on Amazon lol, but I guess he's stated to be a psychiatrist since that's what it was translated in French, and he prefers to do psychotherapy which is practiced as well by psychiatrists in Japan, but in very few numbers, hence the "I'm doing it differently from them".

My take on a manga I still haven't read lol, but it makes sense to me xD.

No argument from me on that.. :) But to further muddy the waters, in the US, internal medicine is a different certification than psychiatry, though some may have dual certification. That's why I thought maybe the mangaka didn't think it was very important to the story to clarify his exact credentials.

LOL!

Let me just throw some fuel on the fire. LOL. Sorry!. The name of the clinic where Kurose works is "Psychomatics." Are the translators messing with us? No matter how modern-day techno-jargon tries to pretty it up, "psychosomatic" is a pejorative term that means "it's all in your head." It doesn't apply to serious mental illnesses like obsessive compulsive disorder and mysophobia. Disagree with me if you like, but "psychomatic" is not going to escape its negative connotations, not in this lifetime.

Yes, it's way too close to psychosomatic, and even if it weren't, it would evoke automation or machine images.

I'm sorry. The name of Kurose's clinic is Psychosomatics not Psychomatics. Geez, the whole point was that the clinic is literally named for a word that means "it's all in your head." It's not just sort of named something that's close to the word, it's named for the exact word, Psychosomatic. (muttering to self: good lord! how'd I get that spelling wrong?) Except for the wrong spelling, everything else I said stands, and please pardon my mistake.

Ah damn! I'm sorry anoni grrl, I misspelled Psychosomatic. Thank you for pointing it out so I could try to clarify. Psychomatics is my misspelling. The name of the clinic is Psychosomatics. Also, thanks for the backup. It does literally evoke negative images. Thanks, too, I always particularly appreciate your comments.

I wasn't sure it was an error--and I am the queen of typos. But that's even funnier--a Freudian learning story calling a clinic Psychosomatic. :)

Clarification sake, psychotherapy can be practised by psychiatrist but you can't get a licence (or practice it with certainty) in a psychotheraputical therapy (e.g. CBT, Gestalt) if you haven't met the critera. Most psychotherapy schools require a minimum of a master’s degree in mental health (or at the very least, a master’s degree in a medical-related field) or a Doctoral degree, also there is a limit of a age – you have to be at least 25 years to apply, if you are younger you can't apply.
The majority of schools will require that you have a pre-specified amount of supervised therapy time under your belt. The exact experience requirement will vary from school to school, but most require at least six years of post-mater’s experience in therapy. Practitioners who have a minimum of 10 years of experience might qualify for the a licence.
Kurose is to young to be a psychotherapist.
And also both a psychologist and a psychiatrist are Doctors, however, someone practice psychology has earned a doctorate degree that is either a PhD or a PsyD, whereas someone practicing psychiatry is a medical doctor.

See, we're trying to elevate Kurose, so when you throw sand in our eyes with the truth, we're likely to react with extreme measures. LOL He's 26 so we're good. add 6 years that's 32. No good. We need to find Kurose 6 years. graduate high school: 16 graduate college 18 graduate degree age 20. add 6 years supervised therapy. 26. We made it! But see, your requirements are too strict, and we don't like it! LOL Anyway,(not meeting anyone's eyes) I've known lots of 26 year old psychotherapists and psychiatrists. (sly look)

Mmmh, well that may be the one part that the author knowingly omitted for the sake of having a younger Kurose? ;)

In some countries, you could get your Bachelors by 21 and finish your PsyD or PhD by 25. There may be a few tests and hoops to jump through, but that's all you really need to be a psychologist. The 10 additional years may help for some countries or specializations, but in the US, you could get your license and throw out a shingle by 25--especially if you finished college or your Phd early.

So I googled Japanese psychologist requirements and it turns out most people practice after getting a Masters in Japan--so if he started his undergrad at 18, he could be done by 21 and started working as a psychologist at 23.

https://www.apa.org/international/pi/2007/05/japan.aspx
http://www.megurocounseling.com/psychologist_in_japan.html

Ah, I was too lazy to google it out to be sure xD. Thanks!
It did seem to be that way :). Such things really differ between countries huh.

That's why when people change countries sometimes their permit gets refused and they'd have to go back to study again just because the requirements aren't exactly the same.

But I guess that means it'd make more sense that he's a psychologist then! I'll have to look up raws someday aha.

Sometimes, I have a lot of time on my hands. :) It's all good.

Chikan means Replacement/substitute

So Chikan Diary = Replacement/Substitute Diary

This is where I got it from, it's a Chinese scanlation.
http://www.77mh.com/201609/341791.html

I found this chap35 from a search. It's on the left hand column. Is this you guy's source http://miethahu.tumblr.com/

Here is a Spanish one. there are a few floating around. http://www.tumangaonline.com/biblioteca/mangas/8737/Ten-Count

I agree, all the omega verse storys are just plain sad, is an unbalance society, were due to phisiological resons one entire group of people, are abuse, rape, discriminate, and dominate. Join me in my omega verse protest.
***STOP THE DISCRIMINATION OF THE OMEGAS***
***EQUAL WORLD FOR ALL***
***BETAS HAVE HEARTS AS WELL***
***BEING AN ALPHA DONT MAKE YOU BETTER BUT BEING A RAPIEST MAKES YOU THE WORST***

LOL yeah, dammit! (waving fist around)

i'm with you!!! ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

I'm so glad I'm not the only one!

I was wondering the same thing, why is everyone blaming on the omega when is not even his fault being like that.

After I posted that I was worried it might offend omegaverse fans. I'm so glad to have someone who understands.

.blagh!....hate foots and inches... and I am too lazy to convert it myself so ╮(￣▽￣)╭

He's mid 180. Which is around 6 feet and Shirotani is around 170cm which is around 5'6.

it's just a manga omg no need to bring up the white/asians or whatever discourse

and yes the mangaka did say that shirotani is 1,70 cm and kurose is mid 1,80cm (so 1,85 more or less) so i don't really get whats incorrent for you :/

I don't think you should equate hair color in manga or anime to race. Remember it's also an art form. If a series is set in Japan, the characters are probably Japanese unless we are specifically told they have another race.

Think about the possible connotations hair color can have in this type of art. Brown hair can be friendly and reliable. It's not as flashy as all out blonde, but it's not "everyman" either. I think maybe light brown or sometimes reddish brown hair in this context means he is a solid person who is hiding his stronger qualities.

On a side note, while it's probably not as popular with businessmen as with women, they have hair dye in Japan. I'm not saying anime blue is a popular color for men or anything--I'm just saying you can't read too much into hair.

Well all we know is that Kurose is a Tall ( A tall modafuker at that) Dark ( With a pinch of sadism oh and dont forgot that lavishly smooth dark hair of his) and Handsome ( Hot damn is he a hot sexy beast of a freaking man that he is) And Shirotani is small and compact, fits in your pocket and you can take him anywhere and everywhere you go
d(･∀･○)

lol i really like this comment XD <3

interesting. thanks for your feedback.

did I get it wrong? okay, point taken.

I know. I hesitated myself. I see beautiful traits of many races in these characters. I didn't mean to say otherwise.

maybe I just remembered the 180 part.

well I hope I didn't come across like I have some kind of bias. I like it that the artists do such a beautiful job of depicting the characters, and I do see many gorgeous traits of many races in them. My artistic eye can get a bit critical at tines I guess.

I'm sure you're right about hair color. I never thought of it that way. It's interesting how you see so much. I'm sometimes disappointed when a character's hair color doesn't match my imagination. I remember when I saw the anime of Junjou Romantica after having read the manga. Usagi (Akihito?) in the manga had always looked to me like a sort of windswept sandy blond - so cute. It was a real letdown when in the anime his hair looked to me a dull grayish brown.

Hair color threw me when I first started reading manga. When colored pictures varied, I thought, "Why does this character have different hair in this picture?" Then someone told me I was being silly about an art form where hair could be green or blue. :)

Oftentimes, as well, mangaka will make one character seem to have light colored hair in the B&W drawings, but in the colored artwork, the light colored hair will actually be a different shade of brown. In the B&W art, the lighter color is used to help differentiate between characters. Sometimes, it's just a matter of the mangaka not wanting to color in the hair. A good example of that is Doumeki in Saezuru Tori Wa Habatakani. He is drawn as though blonde in the B&W pages but in the color art, his hair is a medium brown.

me too. LOL