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Every time I read this I get a crush on Ichi... Dayum.... I also love prince but I have a mental barrier about liking girls (that's thinner than an American wall but still a barrier)
They are also so wholesome o my god
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Can I bother you to have a debate yap session about the difference of written vs drawn bl content?
Imma argue any position, I just wanna have this talk
like novels vs manga/hwa/hua??
Yes; the usual pace, the world building in omegaverse, (let's not talk fantasy or sci-fi because it's literally a topic in and of itself and I can't verbalise my feelings about it very much), the popular tropes...etc Do people also feel like there are different meta emphasis and that are hard to clearly talk about ? (Like I could only think about the extremes: bestiality seems ok written rather than drawn. Pseudo-pedophilia seems ok drawn rather than written)
as in tropes that appear in both? I'm more of a chinese novel reader for bl lol but one thing I've noticed is that I feel the tropes around the two seem to be correlated to cultural regions (i.e. china, korea).
Chinese bl is obviously limited by censorship and in comparison, Korea isn't. Which is probably why we see so many more fwb and toxic cps in manhwa than manhua, cause Koreans can dish out the h0rny shit first without worry, before focusing on actual relationship development to help attract fans/make the plot interesting. Ngl, a lot of manhua is generally lackluster in panel framing, storytelling and sometimes even artstyle when compared to manga or manhwa and idk about you, but even without region specific names, I can sus out manhua from manhwa pretty well.
Back on topic, the reason I bring this up is because even though I consider manhua the worst out of the three, I still consume it for
a) the exceptions,
b) the plot (which I can just barely understand), and or
c) the fact that chinese novels are overall better-written than jap and kor.
Maybe it's a cultural/personal preference, but Korean/Jap light novels have a tendency to use first person, and while that's not a problem in itself, it results in a tendency for authors to use internal-monologue excessively. This translates fine into manga/manhwa, however, getting told the character feels something in a novel has less of a narrative impact than describing the character's surroundings.
Turning kr novels into manhwa is a big positive because of this, as when adapting, the artist is free to ultilise their own imagination to create their own landscapes, surroundings and imagery within their capabilities (it helps that the artists literally are top-tier). Like just do a chapter by chapter comparison of a scene and sometimes what adds life to a scene in a manhwa is a little interaction/action that was not included in the novel.
I think manhua falls behind on this because internal thoughts of a character in chinese novels are typically indirect (i.e. not explicitly written like in ' ') and artists struggle with trying to translate that into drawings without making it OOC and awkward. Manhua has a tendency to miss a lot of content and context from the source material which really affects the flow of the story and leaves the reader confused cause they don't understand what's going on.
Obviously, this is just me talking generally. There are many exceptions like (while not a bl), ORV novel made me feel so many e m o t i o n s despite being predominantly internal yapping. I also don't read a lot of Korean BL cause scummy MLs don't really interest me and the market is saturated with that.
For the examples you mentioned, it's probably because no one actually wants to draw/see a beast and human fucking without bleaching your eyes XD.
For the psuedo-p, I'm guessing you mean around the high-school x working class adult age range and I think it's because when written, it's harder to hide its problematic nature as you have to explicitly write out 'high-school' and other obviously young connotations. In drawn form, you can disguise it by drawing the character to look slightly older and make less explicit flags of the age gap. Eg. From [He arrived at the gates of his high-school. "I'll pick you up after class."] to [Adult figure showing up in front of gates of a generic looking white building: "I'll pick you up after class."]
Anyone here also into office workers in manga? (Surprisingly I hate manhwa and y'all are gonna chew me for it☠)
i prefer mangas over manhwas too ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
do u need recs?
I NEED RECS!! (●'◡'●)ﾉ
I wouldn't say no to them (ʃƪ＾3＾）
here!!<3
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/old_fashioned_cupcake/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/eigyou_nika/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/fake_fact_lips/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ore_to_joushi_no_kakushikoto/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/life_senjou_no_bokura/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/koi_da_ai_da_wa_sateoite/
(for the last two, only one of them is an office worker/they don't work at the same place)
The fact that I've read all of them hhhh thanks tho
I always feel like I'm gonna get yelled at on this site if I say I prefer manga over manhwa lol... I hate the webtoon format all that scrolling makes my thumb cramp after a while
Heres some office workers stuff that comes to mind:
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/koi_no_senryaku_management/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/far_from_romance/
https://www.mangago.me/read-manga/ore_to_joushi_no_koi_no_hanashi/ this is rated low cause the uke is difficult but I like it that way lol and the sequels are super good
Myreadingmanga also has an office worker tag which will be mostly manga if u search through there!
Babe I already did it 3 times (>▽<)ﾉ that's the good stuff right there
Kkk yea this site is for mixed users but since most are younger audience who probably experienced their first mind blowing read via a manhwa/ua they have that first imprint bias that's quite strong
Thanks for the suggestions, imma read the first and third (☞^o^) ☞
Lol I'm used to liking low rated stories (only to read that one comment that obliterates my whole perception of good but that's irrelevant now)
I try to avoid mrm for now cuz I deleted my ad blocker... I'm also trying to add resistance to the whole web entertainment so that was the least I could do
Yr welcome! Read the sequels to the third one as well they're good
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The only way to genuinely get through jinx is to act as a criminal therapist and go through chapters like "let's see what are his insecurities, aggression triggers, personality disorder markers"
And from there think of a fracture of weakness to attack and peel at until he understands that he isn't well connected with his inner self and that his control over triggers borders on being hallucinations of control so deep he may have permanent psychosis
Haha you don't need to be a forensic psychologist to act in this way. This really is just being willing to understand someone entirely without giving up on them. We are always so quick to judge, never to digest, always so quick to think about ourselves only. But the moment you are entangled with someone, every interaction with them is something you both create together, regardless of whether we like it or not.
Even as third party observers, we are so quick to impose our own selfish perspectives, instead of seeing things for what they are and considering what we could do for each of the main characters separately.
This story only spans the surface of abusive dynamics. Ultimately it's just two people deeply struggling with themselves. It's just that one externalises their aggression and the other internalises it.
I really like what you said, and ultimately it's saying the same thing but in gentler less judge-y terms
But that's what I disagree with unfortunately
We do in fact impose our selfish perspective, that is true as a general concept, but when talking about abuse and all, we're barely equipped to do anything much more than that
So in this context of inexistent capacities (we, as the average person that could be a third party or average victim, literally can do nothing for the abuser to help them) I think it should be brought to the hands of professional workers on the matter
And hell, sometimes even them struggle to get results
I am not denying that we tend to dehumanize those who externalize their aggression. But in my opinion that tendency is what will protect the average victim and observer. And that behavior as you said is created by the interaction of both parties
There is only so much compassion that can go around and I'm not about to agree to waste some of it on something I'm at least 90% sure will need an abysimal amount of it to work as we'd ideally or even just sub ideally imagine it to work
I understand you, really, and I also see where you're coming from and appreciate your insight. It's likely because I am majoring in clinical forensic psychology that I stand by these beliefs. Not because I believe in the greater good necessarily, but for my own selfish reasons, one of them being understanding the human mind in its entirety. Unlocking, analyzing extreme behaviours is important for that.
It's normal to bear only so much emotional capacity for a dangerous adult. Unlike someone who internalises their exasperation, those who do the opposite actually pose a threat to the rest of us, and it's a natural instinct to seek protection and cast them out. Personally I dislike the idea that our first approach to such people is to respond to their aggression with even greater aggression, even if it's what has driven the world so far, and still does. Sometimes it's definitely needed, but it being the default reaction.... It's what I disagree with in this case.
And you aren't obliged to show empathy and patience to someone who is erratically dangerous. The world as we know it conditions us to care for ourselves primarily, and it doesn't give us the privilege to act otherwise. But I do think everyone can be rehabilitated, in some way or another, and deserve even a speck of patience—doesn't have to be out of goodwill, no matter how much of an abomination they act like, simply for the purpose of broadening our horizons and learning to shield ourselves better!