Slayeon

The reason we're hard on Jinwoo is because his actions is not only gonna affect him, but the whole town of other people as well.

Because remember these things: They have explicitly stated that the Hounds are very important to the town because they're the ones who always go out on those dangerous missions outside to gather important supplies for the town. Now those Hounds do those things because of Guwon alone, not because they want to help the town. None of those townspeople are as strong or as skilled or as experienced as those Hounds. Now what now? Guwon is dying, there's no one to control the Hounds who are angry right now.

So these townspeople who have nearly zero combat experience are now up against the zombies, the Hounds, and other raiders.

Is it truly being “hard” on him or are we just being realistic, granted the situation everyone is in. I completely understand why Jinwoo would feel some type of way about his father being killed by Guwon and how hard it must’ve been for him. But now… he’s just put everyone in an even worse situation by going along with this plan. One issue has just become an EVEN bigger one..

Still, having a bunch of psychopath who enjoy hurting people having all the power and essentially acting however they like isn't a feasible way to survive long term. Especially if they answer to a single person who is very mortal.

The doctor is the perfect example he "chose" to survive, but then got killed anyway not because he was greedy or violent toward the community, but simply because he thought that what Guwon and the hounds were doing isn't human. What's the point of living in a human encampment if you are constantly beaten, insulted, forced, humiliated by those who have the weapons? And for what? A meal, a roof and life full of grief surrounded by people you barely know.

We can argue that having a roof and a meal is relatively better than having nothing, yet many of the town people were already surving on their own somehow. Obviously not as "easy" in terms of labour as the village, but still one surrounded by your loved ones. Despite everything Jinwoo was still living with his father until Guwon arrived and in order: killed his father without any reason; almost killed and kidnapped Jinwoo.

Plus the whole thing about, "you would't have survived without me" is just plain wrong. Unless Guwon saved someone from certain death (like a wound or an accident or even a zombie attack) there is no guarantee that those people wouldn't have survived. The only certainty we have is that no one survives Guwon unless proven useful. This means that the only real threat with an absolute degree of mortality the town people had to face before joining the village was Guwon himself. The logic of having to be grateful to to the killer of your family for sparing yourself is faulty.

One cannot create the issue and then expect to be praised for solving it (in this case the issue is kidnapping and exploiting the trauma of losing their loved ones people

...you need for your own project and the solution being keeping these people alive, again for your own personal gain).

Ps: english is not my firsf language, sorry in advance for any mistake

Why would it not be feasible long term exactly? And what's wrong with Guwon being very mortal? They're all mortals. This is the literal apocalypse. Human society as a whole has collapsed already. It's kill or be killed out there, and these psychos are the exact types that will survive these sort of situations.

What are you talking about?? The doctor was killed because he tried to shoot Guwon dead. What do you mean constantly beaten, insulted, forced, humiliated by those who have the weapons??? Huh??? The town is not a concentration camp.

And for what?? They get an abundance of food, shelter, and electricity. Do you know what life is outside the town? Teach himself has said that he constantly heard moans of suffering outside the town. It's literal hell.

Many if not all of them were barely surviving. Zombies aren't there only problem out there. There are tons of other people killing other people for their resources. Jinwoo and his dad was literally attacked by other raiders. That's why Jinwoo was already greatly injured when Guwon found him. And his father stole something from Guwon, and we already know how he is when it comes to those things. Guwon did not kill him for no reason.


Your argument assumes that unless Guwon literally saved someone from certain death, he can't claim they survived because of him. That's a false standard. People can contribute to someone's survival by providing food, shelter, protection, medicine, or stability without rescuing them from an immediate life-or-death situation. Whether Guwon actually did that is debatable, but dismissing the possibility because survival wasn't guaranteed either way doesn't follow logically.

Guwon doesn't need these people for his own gain, that's wrong. He can easily survive on his own. He needed these people for the rest of the town.

If they hated the rulers of the town, why didn't they simply leave then? Last I recalled, there was no rule they can't leave town. So why didn't they?

A lot of people in the comments are literally like i hope he dies etc so yeah people sre being hard on him.. mind u it wasnt him who was the one who wanted to overtake him originally why is he the one to blame for going along with THE TOWNS PEOPLE

Clock it

Ok u clearly are not thinking logically and just a guwon defender girl it is what it is like you can like him and still admit that he has done wrong and he is a dictator

Ugh what a pointless reply. You're not even attempting to explain how or why, you just dismissed it as simply me being Guwon simp.

You and those townspeople seems to have forgotten that their world is in literal apocalypse where people are killing each other every single day to gather supplies. You think y'all can survive that world if y'all just held hands and sang "Friendship is magic" ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Why do i need to explain when you are quite literally defending him murdering people but bashing jinwoo for thinking guwon killed his dad and being convinced to go against him like pls get serious

.................. wow okay lmao you know what, nevermind. Glad I dodged a bullet there.

Well since a rebellion started in the first place (Jinwoo wasn't even the one who started it) it is already proven that having the hounds do whatever they want isn't a long term strategy.

My comment about Guwon being mortal was to point out that he is the one and only guarantee that the hounds won't hurt randomly the town people. If, for whatever reason, Guwon dies (like because of a disease) the hounds are just literally psychos with weapons.

I understand that the village is a luxury compared to the life outside, but the point is how did you come across such luxury? Did you really agree to live in the village at the expense of the life of your mother, your child, your grandpa? No, as the doctor story shows, his whole family was seeking shelter and was unlucky enough to meet Guwon which outcome is only two: be useful to the village or die. They weren't even put in the position of knowing the options they were just told "what do you know how to do" and then killed if Guwon considered useless.

Essentially the fuller the town gets the less Guwon is a savior and the more he becomes a man who kills any survivor he meets.
Let's say the village gets to full capacity of useful people, do you think Guwon will stop killing everyone he meets outside? No.

The personal gain thing. Guwon can survive on his own, but what did he do with that ability? He created a village not full of random survivors, but of individuals who he personally considered useful to his own creation. Guwon is effectively responsible for the village and, exactly because he doesn't need the village there should be some sort of imput by those who need it. But we have seen time and time again that Guwon is the only one taking major decisions, enforcing the law, creating the law and so on. That's why I say personal gain, because the village is his own personal creation.

As I said before, providing food and electricity is obviously a way to encourage survival, yet not everyone that lives in the village survives and the cause is always Guwon. My point is that despite life being difficult outside, people still survived. The only time people didn't survive with a 100% certainty is when they met Guwon, inside and outside the village. Having 20% chances at surviving, is far better odds than 100% chances at dying. This is from the point of view of those who died at Guwon hands. I don't know how to say this in english, what I mean is: generally speaking providing shelter is a good way to ensure survival, but in this specific case (Guwon) is not. If Guwon offered to take people in with their family and then one of them broke the law and the punishment is death, but everyone knows the consequences of their own actions we can consider Guwon a saviour. Bit Guwon doesn't give that choice he goes kills everyone, kidnaps few people and force upon them the rules he has created that's why I say he shifts the odds toward death. (I'm sorry I really don't know how to better express this).

About "there is no rule that says that you are not allowed to leave". True, but animals seek survival, you can't expect people who have suffered great trauma (some due to Guwon himself) to rationally think whether what is going on is ethical or not. They need the village to survive and that's a guarantee now, because Guwon, among other factors made it so. If you had a chance at survival before going to the village it was mainly due to being in a group, now Guwon has killed your group, if you step outside the village you are alone and with lesser chances at survival.
Plus I reckon that if my family got killed to ensure my survival, I would 100% try to die of old age to honor their death, that doesn't mean that grief wouldn't make life a living hell.

To sum it all up again, you can't create a problem and then be thanked for solving it. That's my line of thought about Guwon in general.

The rebellion would've not succeeded if not for Teach tho. Guwon was capable enough of stopping their little rebellion.


So Guwon is the only one that can control the dangerous Hounds, and yet Teach still shot and injured him, hmmm.

Now the question is, were they forced to stay in that town? Idk if I missed it, but I don't recall that there was a rule that none of them are allowed to leave. Sure, the doctor's family were unlucky to meet Guwon but you frame it as if , if they didn't meet Guwon they would've continued surviving out there. Let's be realistic here, is Guwon didn't meet them, sooner or later, either the zombies or other raiders would've got to them eventually. I mean Teach and his father was attacked by other raiders afterall.


"Essentially the fuller the town gets the less Guwon is a savior and the more he becomes a man who kills any survivor he meets."
- Did that happen?

"Let's say the village gets to full capacity of useful people, do you think Guwon will stop killing everyone he meets outside? No."
- Again, did that happen? And why are you so sure that will happen?


Yeah that's not how personal gain works. Personal gain is an advantage or benefit gained only for ONESELF. What exactly is Guwon solely gaining or benefitting from creating and running this town? He doesn't hoard the food, housing, medicine, and electricity for himself. He doesn't want the adoration of the town people. Everyone inside the town gets their own share. We've already seen that running this town also puts a strain on him. So again, what is his personal gain here exactly?


"yet not everyone that lives in the village survives and the cause is always Guwon."
- That's misrepresentation. The only reason someone inside the village dies is because they broke the rule that was explicitly stated and whose punishment was also explicitly stated.





"My point is that despite life being difficult outside, people still survived. The only time people didn't survive with a 100% certainty is when they met Guwon, inside and outside the village."
- That's a flawed reasoning as well. What made you so 100% certain that the zombies and raiders outside the village didn't kill people and that Guwon is solely the only one that ever kills people?





"True, but animals seek survival, you can't expect people who have suffered great trauma (some due to Guwon himself) to rationally think whether what is going on is ethical or not. "
- And yet they rational enough to understand Guwon's unethical methods, develop a hatred for him, and think and carry out the plan of rebellion, not to escape from the village, but to gain control of the village itself. Hmm, that seems like they don't like Guwon but they like the village that Guwon has created for them. Hmm, you know there's a word to describe that behaviour.



"If you had a chance at survival before going to the village it was mainly due to being in a group, now Guwon has killed your group, if you step outside the village you are alone and with lesser chances at survival."
- That makes sense. However, if that's the case, why don't they just leave in groups then? I mean it's pretty clear that it wasn't just 1 person that didn't like being in the village.



"To sum it all up again, you can't create a problem and then be thanked for solving it. That's my line of thought about Guwon in general. "
- Well now here's the issue, Guwon didn't create the apocalypse. He didn't create the zombies, the raiders, or the scarcity of supplies. What he did are entire separate problems. So in reality, he both solved the problems while simultaneously creating new ones. Both are true, not just one.


Here's the biggest issue with Jinwoo's action: It is very clear that Guwon is not right in the head, everyone knows that. That's why he does these things, and he keeps doing these things because it's effective and no one is calling him out. But they have Jinwoo now. It's very clear to nearly everyone that Guwon has a specific favouritism to Jinwoo. That Guwon actually listens to Jinwoo. Now we even see Jinwoo calling out Guwon's wrong actions right to his face, and how did Guwon respond? He immediately accepted he was wrong, changed his mind, and thanked Jinwoo. That told us that despite how crazy Guwon is, he is infact capable of change. That Jinwoo can actually teach and change him for the better. Now that's the issue, because they didn't do that at all. They could've done that arguably much safer and stable plan of changing the leadership, but instead they chose this incredibly reckless plan. That's why I'm annoyed at Jinwoo.