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Yeah I kinda really resent her..imo kiho definitely deserves a lot better. Btw I don't exactly remember/understand the reason she first abandoned him? Was is because he was labelled a pervert and she believed everything without asking him or investigating for herself? Despite claiming to be a friend and liking him(romantically as well) ? Well do you think you could take someone like that back ?? N did she date his bully ?Actually the more I think about it, the more I find her hateful and stupid??(Cz like how don't you know ur bf is a bully ?) Anyway correct me if I'm wrong.

Okay, so basically the reason she first abandoned him was when she realized she had feelings for Kiho, but thought he liked another girl in his class. She got jealous and started badmouthing him in front of the girl just to make sure nothing would happen between them in case the girl also liked him back. Later, she realized the girl actually hated his guts.
But while she was talking trash about Kiho to his supposed crush, Kiho overheard the conversation. When the FL noticed and tried explaining herself, Kiho brushed it off and said he wasn’t affected, didn’t mind what she said, and wasn’t hurt by it. His reaction ended up triggering her, and she concluded that he didn’t actually like or value her despite everything they had been through together, because if he cared about her even a little, he would’ve been hurt by what she said about him.
So she decided to cut him off and stop associating with him. And Kiho, being Kiho, thought that was what she wanted and what was best for her, so he also avoided her. They moved into their senior year, and things escalated badly when she started dating his bully.
The bully later found out Kiho had a crush on her the whole time and decided to set him up. When Kiho got exposed, the FL who knew better than anyone that he was a victim of bullying, still took matters into her own hands and confronted him in front of the entire class. Confused, pressured, and scared him, admitted to something that had basically been orchestrated by her boyfriend and his friends, she believed it and went ahead to call him names. Even his parents didn’t believe him afterward.
Everything spiraled so badly that his mother divorced his father and left because of all the chaos surrounding the situation. Kiho even attempted suicide a few times but survived. Eventually he moved on with life until he ran into the FL again years later. Since he never got over her and she couldn’t recognize him anymore because he had changed from the overweight bullied kid into a handsome guy, she made a move on him and he accepted by hiding his identity and started a relationship with her… and we all know how that turned out from there.
For me personally I believe Kiho deserves better and for him to completely heal without any of this fake people in his life

Wow I was gonna sai kudos to her for looking beyond looks and liking him when he was overweight too...but then she talks shit behind his back ? And throws a tantrum that who she hurt isn't hurt (well atleast that's what it seemed to her) ? What a bitchy brat. Then a big question is IS SHE BLIND? She dates a bully ? And wait, u said she knew he was being bullied by her boyfriend and still continues to date him ? Does she hate kiho's guts because he didn't show interest in her ? So she does nothing to stop the bullying? Ok I hate her more n more....and then she literally pushes him into a corner at his most vulnerable??? What a trashy girl man....to think she could do his to a boy she once "liked". I want her to get karmaaaaa. Is she the main character? Coz then I don't have much hope of getting to see her get retribution....

So she only knew him as the timid kid who got bullied, which was how they first met and became friends when they were younger. And to give her credit, she really did protect him back then and fought kids who bullied him.
But she never knew her boyfriend was one of the people abusing Kiho because he always acted nice to him whenever she was around. The moment she wasn’t there, him and his friends would violently bully him, and Kiho never told her about it. He only subtly showed that he was uncomfortable around them, which I don't blame him for not speaking out, becoz that's what abuse does to a person. And she never paid enough attention or read the room properly, which is why she ended up dating a bully without realizing it. And honestly, I wouldn’t fully blame her for that specific part because anyone can unknowingly become a victim of manipulation too.
But the moment she believed Kiho was the culprit who stole her things, just like they framed him to be, she became no different from her boyfriend and the rest of the people who hated and bullied him. What hurts the most is that Kiho never cared about what other people thought of him. The only opinion that mattered to him was hers. Every single time he self-harmed, he wasn’t thinking about the insults from others, he was thinking about the hurtful things she said to him, along with his mother blaming him for the divorce and abandoning him.
And unfortunately, she’s the FL, so we all know they’re going to end up together since this isn’t a tragic story. As of the recent chapters, they’re already together and slowly trying to heal. She’s even trying to convince her ex-boyfriend to publicly confess what he did and how he ruined Kiho’s life. She and Kiho are also planning to go on vacation together now.
My only issue is that I wish she had suffered at least a little more before he forgave her. He forgave her way too easily. Like this girl literally called him “Piggy ho,” the exact same nickname his bullies used to mock him for being fat and ugly. Nah… she really doesn’t deserve him

1. When she met him again in high school when she was dating his bully....did she still have feelings for kiho ? And she she like her bf like... actually in love ? More than she did kiho?
2. So he was framed for stealing her things? Was it a pair of stockings or undergarments?
3.So now does she know everything...that kino tried to off himself, that he self harmed ? Did she apologize enough? And u said u wanted her to suffer a little more...my question is did she really suffer at all ? Do u think she was in any pain like kiho ? Idk...
4. What confess? That bully should be beaten to pulp first istg...
5. Thank you so so much for taking out the time any replying to me...and giving me these answers I was looking for. That's really nice of you

6. Why did she break up with the bully ? I assume he was her first bf.....

1. They never really confirmed whether she completely stopped liking Kiho, but there were moments where she saw him and missed how things used to be between them. That was pretty much it. And as for her boyfriend, I honestly don’t think she truly loved him either. It felt more like a childish crush and her enjoying the attention that came with dating the most handsome guy in school who was about to become a celebrity… which obviously didn’t happen after Kiho accidentally scarred his face while defending himself from them.

2. It was actually stockings. Some perverted classmate had been stealing girls’ stockings, and instead of exposing the real culprit, her boyfriend decided to frame Kiho so he could completely ruin any chance of him ending up with the FL.

3. Yeah, she only found out later while they were already dating, back when she still didn’t know he was her childhood friend Kiho. So she was comforting him like a normal girlfriend, thinking he was just someone with a traumatic past. But after his identity got revealed, she slowly started connecting the dots from the things he used to say and realized he had been talking about their past and everything he suffered through after the misunderstanding at school, when everyone labeled him as some creepy thief and he disappeared afterward.

And nope, she definitely did not suffer the way he did, Sure, she felt betrayed and hurt after finding out he hid his identity from her, but can we seriously compare that to everything Kiho went through? Still, she did apologize to him and promised she would make her ex confess to everything he did. Kiho also apologized for hiding who he really was and even told her not to meet her ex or get involved anymore… but she still ignored him because she felt guilty and responsible for everything that happened. Which is the bare minimum btw.

4. Honestly, that ex-boyfriend deserves to get beaten up and have his entire career destroyed. This disgusting jerk actually had the audacity to visit Kiho pretending to be sorry and asking for forgiveness just so he could publicly say Kiho forgave him and shift all the blame onto the actual stocking thief. But thankfully Kiho refused, and they ended up fighting. At least Kiho beat his ugly ass a little. Still not satisfying enough. The artist seriously hates Kiho at this point.

6. If I remember correctly, I think it was because of his change in attitude and violent behavior after his dream of getting signed and debuting as an artist by an agency got ruined when Kiho scarred his face. I can’t remember everything clearly, but if I’m not wrong, I think that’s what happened between them and eventually led to their breakup because he started showing his real jerk nature. But even then, she still didn’t know the full extent of how horrible he actually was or that he was a disgusting school bully back then.

And no problem tho, I was just answering your questions, it was nothing

Thanks for the info n explanation...and I agree with everything you said. Also the author does hate kiho ngl....did he even go to the therapist? Anyway i don't even wanna read this...coz it hurts to see him that way. But I wanted to know everything so you were a lot of help. I hope atleast now in the relationship it won't be kiho feeling anxious..I hope in some way those people who hurt him besides the main bully...that is the other friends (plus fl) get a taste of their own medicine too
...and literally kiho hiding is identity from fl is no where near as horrible as what fl(directly n indirectly) did...that is not trusting him... cornering him... calling him names... lowkey joining the bullied despite knowing that kiho is not that kinda person....(N why, just coz he said he wasn't affected by what she said?).

Fr, she really is a shallow person, I keep wondering that if someone framed Kiho again with fake evidence, would she still believe it? Especially if he admitted to it out of the same trauma, fear, and self-destructive mindset he has. Because knowing Kiho, even if she did something horrible or literally stabbed him in the heart, bro would still love and forgive her. That’s just the kind of person he is and the way he loves.
And honestly, he deserves someone who can love him just as deeply and unconditionally as he loves them.
I also genuinely think what Kiho needed the most before ending up with the FL was therapy, healing, and learning to find himself again before getting into a relationship with her, or anyone else.
And tanxs for saying this too, coz him hiding his identity was honestly nothing compared to what she and her friends did to him back then. Was it wrong? Yes. But compared to the level of betrayal and trauma he experienced because of them, it was nowhere near the same level.
What really pissed me off was seeing some readers use that situation to make Kiho seem like some horrible manipulative person just so they could excuse the FL and downplay everything she did to him. I saw someone calling Kiho disgusting for hiding his identity due to fear and trauma, and even said he “kind of raped her” becoz he let her sleep with him without telling her he was the childhood friend she hated and wanted to forget, since she genuinely believed he was the perverted thief back then, but at least many people didn't agree with such take about him tho

Wow that's crazy.....like if a victim of abuse is hiding their past from a potential lover...who happened to be a part of that past....are u going to blame them for it ? Wth... where's the empathy now? His actions are merely complaint not belligerent. If it was a woman who did this.....n fell in love with her bully's best friend (who believed people who framed her) suppose...and hid the truth for the sake of love.... would you say she intended n did infact rape the guy ? I bet most won't. Kiho isn't a sleaze bag...he never even would have approached her....she did. And he had nothing to be ashamed of as far as the past is concerned. It's was lie said to save his leftover sanity not to hurt her or anybody... especially because he was totally innocent. Lastly, he needs to upgrade from being the doormat that he is. He needs true friends n meaningful relationships with people who wouldn't mind him being 100 kilos except for health reasons.And finally...i still don't understand how she can beleive the set up....how xan she beleive that kiho stole her stockings.....she really doesn't have the eye for character....or Maybe she did until she cut kiho off.

Gosh, THIS You summed everything up perfectly. I genuinely feel like a lot of readers naturally try harder to relate to and understand female characters while downplaying male victims, maybe because they can’t relate to them or simply don’t fucking care enough too.
I call them the “FL simps” or the whole “women defending women whether right or wrong” propaganda. And they genuinely don’t realize how harmful that kind of mindset can be sometimes, lol

Definitely... they're the ones who pretend to bit actually don't stand for equality between genders. They see this as a revenge probably.. against men. Both men n women can be victims of double standards and abuse. To brush off someone's trauma and be miserly is showing them empathy because of their gender is gross ....no matter who does it or to whom it's done. We should all be with the one who was wronged. Always. It's mostly women in a male dominated society I know. But we can't be blindfolding ourselves when men are wronged......as women who knows first hand how being wronged coz of gender feels ...we totally can't be doing that...coz if we do..then we lose all credibility to talk about rights, equality of opportunity and healthy relationships.

Ahh thank you for this, we need many more readers and people like this, who thinks and see things from this kind of perspective, coz I don't understand how a woman doing the very same thing we would hate a man for doing is women winning or like they call it "women in men field" why praising it and calling her a girl boss when she is literally everything we would hate a man for doing.
I'm currently reading a femdom story where the FL is literally abusive and raped the ML, but some sick fans kept on calling her a girl boss and saying those of us complaining hates seeing women winning and I asked, does that mean Men has always been on the winning side when abusing women? if so why complain about it? or men who sexually assaults women are bosses? and I haven't gotten my answer yet, the only thing they could respond back to was telling me to drop the manhwa if I can't handle it and I told them to ignore my comment also if it's triggered them and can't bear to see others criticize the FL lol, it's chaotic over there and still interesting tho

Of course that's all they can say...you clocked them so all that was left for them to do was deflect. Is that manhwa "toy daddy"?...yeah she's a psycho...reverse the genders and it becomes terrible persecution..which it still is btw. Same for bls....where ukes being the jerk ones is excused...in "little bit psycho" he's literally confining n raping the seme n times but some people can't help but jump with appreciation lol. Also when mls or semes cheat they're bashed, left right n centre .... People call for them to die horrific deaths....guess what if the fl or uke does the same...well she was confused...well they weren't serious with the relationship..well it's coz of trauma... it's coz they're indecisive/avoidant/self destructive....but if the other party does that even when it happens in the first episode that we see a ml sleeping around let alone cheating (mind u he hasn't even met the mc yet)...then eww this is a pet peeve for so many people....but if it happens for the uke or fl then it's liberating, revolutionary and no body's buisness. What I'm saying is dont slut shame anyone...but it's also fine to not like characters who sleep around and express that ... Just keep the same standards for everyone? I also don't like sleeping around but that's my opinion. I guess what we can do is just interact with like minded people....or maybe clock them like u if you have it in you haha.

Yeah how do I like this comment a 100 times over, you just summed the entire fandom in a nutshell. this is the double standard and hypocritical behavior I see in the manhwa communities, like almost everywhere and the likes of us who speak up against it are sideline and called a pick me or misogynist lol.
It's really good to see someone who have and share the same views as mine and yes the femdom story is "toying with daddy" almost every update I'm bitching with some sick fans who thinks a guy getting sa'd is hot and cute, and I can't imagine someone saying that if it's a female character in that position, they will drag whoever says such nonsense. But in their defense it's because women suffers irl like this more than men, so it's okay to have fetish when a man is getting raped but disgusting when it's a woman. when rape and abuse should never be okay regardless of gender, a lady kiss guy without consent readers they're so cute, a guy do likewise readers screams sa..... Why can't both be either cute or bad regardless of gender.
I have dropped a story where the FL cheated on the ML her boyfriend and fans defended her saying she got manipulated and it was coping mechanism due to her trauma and blamed the ML for not being with her during her weak moments that result to her cheating. and I was like this is bullshit and just dropped the story, guess what they wouldn't say all those things if he was the one that did that to the FL, people would have hated him and call the artist a misogynist for making her forgive him just the way the ML forgave her cheating ass, a apparently cheating can be excused on the basis of manipulation and trauma, but you just have to be a woman, then it's okay, any other gender you're just trash even if you have trauma or was manipulated lol. The manhwa is I'm talking about is "I'll give you the most rotten one yet" if I'm not mistaken

Yeah it's pretty frustrating. Btw which is hat manhwa with the cheating fl...

If it's the title you're asking for then it's " I'll give you the most rotten one" on webtoon app it's pretty interesting and annoying at the same time and the fandom is basically the worst fans ever

So this is kinda unrelated but ....cheating is never digestible...but some stories like "miserable in love/a terrible romance" and to some extent "pieces of us/form of broken love" atleast don't justify it...and hold the MCs accountable...the MLS break up with the MCs and grow n repent. (Both are bls btw idk if u read bl) In the first one...it actually happened the first time coz he already was kinda messed up in the head(had separation anxiety, paranoia and we'll he went back to his ex for once coz he thought ml won't come back) but after that he cursed himself a lot and was blackmailed into it because he genuinely didn't want to be separated from the ml...plus he showed physical reaction to sex with his ex but each time he would later throw up and felt miserable..his body showed the signs that he wasn't happy with all this...later his bf found out and told him to GTHO...and the ex took him..but we could see that he was always thinking about the ml, dreaming about him, hallucinating him and the fact that he was feeling more hurt being away from him than the things which used to hurt him way more(this ex was with him for 7 yrs and has total control over him back then, he kinda transformed him into his doormat)...and he was in a way withering away...like "how low can I stoop"...self depreciation all the time...so in a way it was somewhat cathartic to watch him not enjoy the situation......or being with the ex like...not for a sec more than the first time when he ran out to him delirious.. although I can't say it's my fav coz it still hurts to see him betray the ml who was a sweetheart...but atleast he became better and tried again.

Ahh damn it...I read this way before...the author was sooo clever like not revealing that the ml actually didn't cheat just so she could have the fl sleep with MLS friend....and of course it would be fine coz ml already "cheated". Apparantly...I saw that they were taking a break (suggested by he ml coz the fl was getting too stressed out) which made the fl go historical (in a way that was a bit pitiful coz thinking about it..she still thought he cheated but didn't want to break up even for some time...maybe it was her being dependent??idk). Later fl was going through some episode after she had an intense argument (?) with a family member I think(?) and she contacted the ml while in car.....and since hey we're taking a break the ml had already told her , no contact. So she went crazy and went to his friend...for revenge..to get back at the ml....and she said the same thing to the friend..that this is "just to hurt him, nothing less, nothing more". But what I nd of friend is that.... I'd spit on such a friend..he never should have slept with his friend's gf. Also that office employee made everything worse by lying to fl that her n ml are still together. This is obviously a clear set up by the author....coz why couldn't it be ml barging in on fl n the friend and reveal the truth...? Why did he have to get cucked...and she didn't seem the type to be so normal after doing something as drastic. I found it bad.....

Indeed you really read the story and got everything perfectly but what pissed me off more than the plot was the fans lol, they're were literally cursing the ML for cheating and said they was no excuse for cheating on your partner but when she the did, it became understandable and no consequences at all for what she did, and I hated the ML colleague more than anyone in the story for what she did and how she used the ML by lying to cover and protect herself from her stalker and lied to the FL

Yeah I read yaoi and I've read this story also, if I remember the uke is a victim of sexual assault by his own father and later met his ex who introduced him to bdsm play before he later met the seme who was his college student in his pottery class. The manhwa was interesting but gave me high blood pressure at some point in the story when he was separated from the seme and was confined by his ex, I liked the ending of the story it was great read

Yeah what you described is "form of broken love", I agree. The story i described was "a terrible romance". These hurt but atleast they don't gloss over things...and the ukes get manipulated coz rhe exes have been with them for a significantly longer time and really kept them shackled....such people need therapy before relationship (with the new MLS)

Yeah if it were fl who seemed to have cheated first... they'd probably give her the benefit of doubt but to MLS.... they're ruthless.

True tho, "therapy before relationship", I think I need a T-shirt with this written on it lol

They would have probably defended her saying she was raped, since the ML was drunk and didn't know what happened and also thought he had cheated and slept with his colleague. I believe drunk people can't consent right? but in his case no one thought of that. but if it was the FL people would have remembered and use that in her defense

Exactly drunk people can't consent.....and men can get raped too. I mean men have to put their case more strongly i guess huh? He said he doesn't remember..even he didn't beleive he was raped ???? Isn't that wild....but that's how it works sadly...

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Yeah men sa are mostly not taken serious, even by the themselves. most people believe that men can't get raped by woman, I've heard guys talk about some of their sexual experiences but isn't aware or refuse to believe that he was a victim of rape, while me as a girl if that had happen to me, that would be very traumatic and a horrible experience.
Take the ML as an example, even when he woke up, his first instinct was to apologized to her, instead of thinking she took advantage of him, his first thought was that he was the one who took advantage of her. maybe becoz most men are stronger than women, so he thought he most have over powered her and forced himself on her, not her taking advantage of him in his vulnerable state. But I wish more people will come to the realization that strength shouldn't be the determine factor to judge whether someone can be a victim or not

Totally ...I wonder how this manhwa will end ..I hope no more cheating...but she killed someone right

I dropped it, I said I might go back to it, when the story reaches it end, but I'm hoping for a happy ending tho, I hate tragic plot