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This made me giggle

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/doppio-senso/

Themnks

Ur welcomeee

And yet you simp for the male lead in an immoral night, which doesnt care about consent either. Just say that you hold double standards and move on.

Shhhhhhhhhhhhi

People who allow problematic male leads to get away with acting abusive but suddenly do a full 180 when we're talking about female leads are the real psychologically challenged.

And you are obviously the one who can't see wrong as wrong and brings bogus justification to feed your biased self.

And men raping women suddenly isn't wrong as long as they're hot enough according to you? What are you even doing on a femdom manga, go kiss some male boots, boo

Just how a psychologically challenged person rants meaninglessly. Who needs YOUR approval to read anything on this platform and express their views? Good luck with your 5y/o brain that gets pleasure with rape scenes

Rape is rape and it's always wrong and is duly called out in all manhuas regardless. See love levelling, bj alex, kiss me liar, people always comment on the rape scene being disgusting. It's bad that we have associated that behaviour with male leads but I would like to add that it is still never idealised.

The point of most of those problematic bl's and love stories (like twilight, 50 shades of gray) is that by the end, the male lead changes by the power of love, thereby insinuating that the rapey, violent behaviour was never ideal and had to change. Duna got so much love from readers because they were eager to see her learn better and improve through the love she eventually gets, instead she keeps on raping her subs and it's somehow justified because she's a woman.

That's when people started hating her. Not all victims of verbal abuse turn out like Duna, who herself realises that consent is important as a 28 year old woman but still overlooks it to play out this rape fantasy. In Minho's case, just because people are saying that he shouldn't have been raped doesn't mean that they want to ride his dick or kiss his ass. It just means that noone deserves rape, no matter how annoying, arrogant or verbally abusive the character is written as.

She actually learns consent in the end few chapters with Haesol though??

I guess the same can be said for you. :)

And then we have the scene like in the newest chapter

So what's the point of said knowledge which should be obvious for kids in middle school?

Byun isn't her sub. That scene was meant to represent her cutting him off for good. He's more of a revenge fantasy than a BDSM buddy.

Stop acting like an antishipper and let people enjoy what they want. No one's saying that it isn't rape.

Ship whatever you want as long as you understand the problematic parts of said ships and its participants :).

Oh so now the secret consent knowledge will be applied only to select individuals.

That's literally what I said??

Minho is made out to be the villain of the story by the author so I highly doubt Doona's trying to elicit a healthy relationship with him.

And how am I acting as supposed antishipper?

You are right what's the point of searching for logic in this story even?
The moral of a day: Only selected individuals deserve consent. What a groundbreaking character development.

Exactly

According to you only women can rape? Gtfo outta here. You literally simp for the rapist in An Immoral Night.

Well think of it this way:
- emotionless hunter kills things
- doesn't feel
- meets girl who teaches him how to feel, initially he hurts her
- villain influenced his behaviour in the past, that's why he kills things
- he loves the girl, treats her good, but kills the villain.
Minho is more of a plot point than anything.

What can I said. Pretty poorly written illogical and naive plot with very questionable and problematic parts. Also Doona's and Haesol's relationship is far away from being fairly tail like. At this point he is more of obsessive, blinded follower than an equal partner

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It's just as poor as the plot of 50 shades and twilight and BJ Alex but it works for them because they have a male problematic lead. It suddenly doesn't work when the problematic lead is female. (((The point of most of those problematic bl's and love stories (like twilight, 50 shades of gray) is that by the end, the male lead changes by the power of love, thereby insinuating that the rapey, violent behaviour was never ideal and had to change. )))

It's not like these stories didn't face criticism. Look at the newest chapters of BL "Master of master" most people talk about rape and how disappointing the story line is.
Also in no of this stories the victim was so badly humiliated and treated like trash to the veeeery end. (Didn't read or watch 50 shades of gray though and not going to)

My problem is that it still works for stories like BJ Alex and Master of Master. It's good that they're calling the guy out in master of master but the rating is still higher than SB. Not to mention that BJ Alex has rape but practically no one's doing much calling out and the rating is super high.

Because bj alex ended with Jiwon changing and caring for Donghyun. Sadistic Beauty doesn't exactly do that. If it did, it wouldn't be called out so much. The readers tolerated Duna's rape for so long BECAUSE they were expecting growth. Now you can call them snowflakes, prudes or whatever but it still holds that what Duna did was justified and she had a happy ending when she didn't deserve one after committing so many crimes.

Like I've also seen criticism in BJ Alex and in MD's arc. Of course it's outweighed by positive opinions but the BL fandom is much bigger. Femdoms is more niche?
And tbh nearly every rating on this site is overpriced.

The thing is as of current, Doona has changed and does care for Haesol. She has gotten her growth and understands that her actions with Haesol in the past were wrong.

Even if it is larger the opinions should be directly proportional. The ratio of opinion is different when the problematic character is female. That's what i have an issue with.

Yes and then she invites him to participate in sexual assault scene. And he as a blind follower follows. Idk like it looks kinda regressive.

We really did a topic drift. There are people biased in one side and other in the other side. I myself don't care about gender at all. Abuser is an abuser.
The short summary you've posted about the plotline is not really adequate at any point. The main focus of the story is on the villain's and protagonist's relationship, villain isn't just killed, he is tormented through a big part of a story too and that's makes him also a victim,a fact which wasn't recognised at any point of the story. The sweet lover who taught protagonist is not some savior, he is blind follower. In the end we could even argue that protagonist has also negative impact on him judging by the last scenes.

Plus I can't remember reading a title where someone who was trashed like that through the whole story, was degradated and humiliated so horribly in the end. And the abuse didn't get the slightest acknowledgement.