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Yeah it bothered me a lot in the novel too! But when I see the comment "Best way to be woken up by your partner" I'm like NO it's not! (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ (╬￣皿￣)凸

YEAH IT'S FUCKING TERRIFYING THAT YOUR HUSBAND CAN ASSULT YOU. WHAT WAS HUE THINKING LUCIA WAS SLEEPING PEACEFULLY, SHE'S ALREADY IN PAIN FROM BEING FUCKED DAILY DOES HE NEED TO FUCK HER WHILE SHE'S SLEEPING.

It is the best way to be woken up. It's not automatically assault if your partner wakes you up with a blow/rim job. This happens with couples unless the couple doesn't do things like that. So speak for yourself. Also in the context of their relationship (albeit their mostly sexual relationship) this would probably be nowhere near what they consider assault so in this case just chill.

Lucia didn't consent Hue didn't even ask her. So it's assault.

It’s not assault if she herself doesn’t call it assault if your partner wakes you up like that and you like it it’s not rape or assault those terms shouldn’t be casually used

"It’s not assault if she herself doesn’t call it assault" but she can't say anything when.she.is.asleep. So she didn't give her consent to this. An sex non-consentual is...?
Sorry to speak about rape and assault, I know there is sometimes shades of grey, and it is even more troubling while reading many webtoons or mangas where some situations are "allowed/okay" because the couple is the FL and ML, but IRL it is not. It should be adressed because it is problematic and could lead someone in a really bad situation.

You can’t call something assault just because you see it as that I’m speaking as someone who’s read the novel and saw the raws she doesn’t see this as something negative and she doesn’t dislike it rape and sexual assault aren’t words that should be thrown around casually there to important and just because something like this happens doesn’t mean it’s assault if the person themselves doesn’t see it that way real couples do this there could be a situation where a relationship is new and one partner boy or girl wants to surprise their significant other if they wake up and don’t like it then never do it again if they do great you just discovered something new consent is the most important thing but you wouldn’t call your partner a rapist in this situation if he didn’t know you wouldn’t like it if it was just a genuine mistake don’t it’s more cruel to down play actual assault there’s a lot of stories between ML and FL where there is actual rape and sexual assault and the amount of them is so concerning but that’s not what happened here

The problem is its hard to determine what's sexual assault and what isn't (in this case).

She definitely didn't consent, but did she like it? Yes, in the novel it's clear that she loved it but was just a bit tired. However just because someone liked it, does that mean that it isn't sexual assault? Mmmm that's the problem it depends on what the victim in this case thinks

It's weird to talk about morals on an illegal website lmao but just because someone reacted in a "positive" way (aka they're moaning, are wet and hasn't said opposed) then does that mean that it's right?

Tbh you shouldn't be licking your partners kitty while they're asleep because they might not like it, even if they said "yes it's fine" the night before it doesn't mean that they still think it's fine now, or tomorrow, or next month and so on. However Lucia (according to the novel) most likely doesn't count this as sexual assault. But if you partner is hesitant at first and then gives in, is clearly opposing to you touching them up or is stiff then yes, I strongly believe that you should stop and if you continue then that's sexual assault which could lead to rape.

Some ppl say its the best way to be woken up, others disagree. Make sure you discuss this with your partner. If you think your partner has sexually assaulted you then you can bring this to the police and press charges, everyone's idea of love is different after all.

Maybe I should go into law

Also please don’t push assault onto other people that’s not okay if I was woken up to this way and enjoyed it I wouldn’t think I was sexually assaulted and wouldn’t call my partner an assaulter or a rapist yes there was no consent but not everything is as simple as did you say yes or no everyone enjoys different things and if my friend who did see this as sexual assault and it happened to her I’d drag her partners ass to the station

look this is fiction. Lucia isn't a real person. Lucia and Hue are written by the author. The author might have no consent fetish and wants to write it. It doesn't matter if Lucia likes it or not because she's not real. We can't use her case, as prof it's okay to eat ur partner out without their consent. Whether she liked it or not doesn't matter nobody should ever do sexual acts on a person without their permission. Something that u guys can't understand.

This romanticizing sexual assault and it's bad. Saying the comments that 'this is the best way to wake up' is incredibly naive. You guys are saying that if u like eating eaten out without consent is not sexual assault when it is, just because we know that Lucia's is going to like it. Sexual assault is simple is u don't consent to it it's assault.

I’m pretty sure as someone who’s been sexually assaulted I understand what sexual assault is and the difference between sexual assault and a misunderstanding. Sometimes sexual assault is very simple your assaulted and that’s it but sometimes there’s also misunderstanding between partner if you look at such a sensitive topic with a narrow view point you won’t be able to under the scope of sexual assault. This isn’t romanticizing it if that was the authors intention then that’s that but we don’t know their attention. After being assaulted I had to learn the difference between assault and a mistake. Also people have the right to say they weren’t assaulted or think they weren’t assaulted at all. It’s up to no one but the person it happened to who can decide that if this happens and they decide they like it would it have been better to have consent yes but that’s something that’s you and your partner need to discuss. Communication is tricky and if someone thinks or says they weren’t assaulted then they weren’t assaulted but if they think or say they were then they are that’s what’s simple

Look I know what you're saying Hue didn't have the intention of causing Lucia pain, therefore it's not sexual assault. It doesn't matter Hue's intentions, the fact that he did sexual acts with Lucia without her consent. What your saying is that a husband hits and degrades their wife for not cleaning, enough this domestic abuse, but if she thinks that it's fine and she deserved it, makes it, not domestic abuse. Sexual assault isn't determined by the thoughts of the survivor. It's an act, it's something that is done to a person.

But I didn’t say that I said the choice of whether it’s sexual assault lies with who it happened to in this case Lucia in both the novel and the raws she doesn’t see it as sexual assault meaning it’s not sexual assault. I never once said what you’re trying to say there please don’t twist my words. Sexual assault isn’t an easy topic and in the end yes it does come down to the person it’s happening to to decide what it is in most cases like everything in life everyone’s situations are different you just said an open and shut case to try and prove your point anyone knows that’s assault I’m talking about the difference between a misunderstanding and actual traumatizing sexual assault trust me they are different I’ve lived it we clearly don’t see eye to eye and you only care about the exact definition of sexual assault so there’s no need to continue this convo feel free to delete my comments if you want them off your thread

Now you're going off the deep end. Sexual Assault very much depends on the victim. There are black and white cases of assault and then there are grey areas. Doing things to your partner while they are asleep in the Hope's of waking up can be viewed as assault but between two consenting adults who have an understanding that thing is ok then that is ok. Not everyone is the same. That's like saying I'm walking past my S.O. and he slaps me on the ass without me expecting it. If any random person did hell yeah its sexual assault but if my S.O. did, that's fine cause that's out relationship. There are probably relationships where that isn't ok. It's not black and white and it depends on the people it's happening between and where they stand. Just like being woken up with sexual advances. That is something that depends on the people involved and whether THEY are ok with it. Not what you think. If one isn't ok with it then there is clearly a problem. You can't just call everything you see sexual assault. It is fantastic to be on the lookout for it and manga/manhwa have a serious problem with consent but not everything is one way.

I really like your comment.
As you said, manga/manhwa have a serious problem with consent and there is "so many shades of grey" that it is sometimes confusing! I'm glad to be able to talk about it and to read various opinions.

Well, i was wrong about that there are no grey areas. The thing is that as readers we don't know if Lucia is okay with getting eaten out in the morning. Like there was a conversation where Lucia says "I wouldn't mind being awakened by Hue eating me out". In different relationships, there is a boundary that there to be respected. From knowledge Hue doesn't know those boundaries, there hasn't been a discussion. So Hue should have asked Lucia if she was fine with him doing sexual acts while she was asleep, which he didn't.

And kunmanga has 10 more chapters but they aren't of best quality