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How does the ML sucks, if I may ask

the story starts with him lying to a girl he knows hates him about his identity to date her for months on end n also literally stalking her socmed. almost like everybody in the story acknowledges how creepy he is including himself multiple times.
maybe im just salty since they both misunderstood things but evb wants to hate on just the fl tho i still feel like it was pretty obv he wasnt supposed to be perfect pitiful victim, just that the art was so cute it kinda framed things to look less serious.

You do realize people have valid reasons and points for hating the FL more, right? And yes, the ML hiding his identity from the FL and stalking her were both wrong, but they’re also somewhat understandable coming from a guy who has trauma and unresolved feelings surrounding his first love. And let’s not forget who made the first move later on, she did, and he accepted. That was literally his only “crime” in that situation, especially compared to the more fucked-up things the FL did to him.
I could give you a million reasons, along with all the flaws and things she’s done, that explain why people’s hatred toward the FL is valid. So yeah, I completely understand why people criticize and hate her more than the ML.
That being said, I’m not justifying the ML’s actions or denying the fault and role he played in all of this, coz if he hadn't stalked her or he had rejected her when she made a move on him, he wouldn't have ended up reopening old wounds and putting himself through being treated like shit all over again

literally show me where i say people cant hate her more then him bc i never even said nothing about that. its everybody acting like its ONLY her that sucks and nobody saying anything about his actions that is my main issue. the title of my og comment said they BOTH suck, idgaf if u hate her more dude thats all u.
n i can see that ur agreeing that he also made some bad decisions but the way ur minimizing it is a big part of what im talking about. his actions should be understandable bec thats how characters in a story work but besides that, trauma can explain but shouldnt excuse people's actions, a bad past doesnt guarantee somebody turning horrible.
u put quotes around the word crime but what he did genuinely could be considered a crime. at that point in the story, she didnt know who he was. if she did, she wouldnt have slept with him but he withholds this information to sleep with her anyway. that could be considered breaking the boundary of informed consent which would make him a rapist. honestly the storys way past the point of caring about that now but all of this was why i was surprised to see so little comments talking about him. hes just weird and creepy is my point in all this, keep hating the girl or whatever i wont stop u.

Lmao you’re literally arguing with yourself at this point because you responded to shit I NEVER said. Where the fuck did I say you claimed people “can’t hate the FL more”? I never said that, never implied that, and that was never the point of my reply to you, so why are you making an accusation I DIDN’T MAKE?
YOU said the ML sucks too and listed his actions as your reason. I responded by explaining why I don't think his actions warrant the same level of criticism as hers and why I think there are valid reasons people criticize her more. THAT was my point. Not that I said, you said “you won't let people hate the FL more,” or that “nobody is allowed to criticize the ML,” and not whatever argument you’ve decided I was making in your head.
And now you're telling me I'm minimizing his actions because I explained the circumstances surrounding them? Be serious. I explicitly said what he did was wrong. I literally said that if he hadn't stalked her or had rejected her when she made the first move, he wouldn't have ended up reopening those wounds and putting himself through all of that again. That's me acknowledging his fault, not excusing it. Understanding a character's motives ≠ saying their actions are okay. If you can't tell the difference, that's a you problem.
Also, you keep going on about “trauma explains but doesn't excuse” like I ever said it DOES excuse him. I didn't. You're rebutting an argument that exists entirely in your own head.
And the rapist claim? That's YOUR interpretation, not something I'm obligated to agree with just because you feel strongly about it. I already acknowledged that deceiving her about his identity was fucked up. You don't get to take that acknowledgment and then pretend I said it was perfectly fine because I don't agree with your conclusion about what label it automatically deserves.
My argument was about the ML's actions, the context surrounding them, and why I think the FL's actions are considerably worse, and why people criticize her more than the ML. People are allowed to hate or criticize whoever character they want to. But you somehow turned that into “you think I'm saying people can't hate the FL more,” then turned THAT into “you're minimizing the ML,” neither of which is what I meant.
At this point, you’re having an argument with a version of my comment that you made up

"You do realize people have valid reasons and points for hating the FL more, right?" "I could give you a million reasons, along with all the flaws and things she’s done, that explain why people’s hatred toward the FL is valid. So yeah, I completely understand why people criticize and hate her more than the ML." u were the first to bring up the fact people hate the fl more so thats y i went in on that. now to me, this was u implying that i wouldnt understand y people hate on the fl more even though i never said anything about people hating on her more. bringing that up when it wasn't part of what i was talking about is y i interpreted ur words that way. so no, i guess u never said explicitly that i cant let people hate on her more, my bad. i just also never said u said "nobody is allowed to hate the ML."
i said u were minimizing his actions because when i said this guy was a stalker and a creep, u said "they were both wrong, BUT they're also somewhat understandable coming from a guy with trauma" "And let’s not forget who made the first move later on, she did" "his only 'crime.'" so all this, to me, just sounds like u bringing up his circumstances to try and mitigate his actions. u bring up his trauma n say his actions r understandable so i said 'trauma can explain but shouldn't excuse' because i felt that was irrelevant and just pointless to talk about. u can literally say the same thing for the fl who thought her childhood crush turned into a pervert thief and got manipulated by that guy. bringing up trauma just for him seemed counterproductive to the claim that u werent minimizing his actions.
"he accepted. That was literally his only “crime” in that situation" i was trying to explain y his acceptance was more than just accepting a confession and that even something as simple as that has bigger implications behind it. dont agree with the rapist label if u really dont want to but my point was about how u condensed the fact he breached informed consent, or my 'rapist claims,' into 'he accepted.'
"My argument was about the ML's actions, the context surrounding them, and why I think the FL's actions are considerably worse, and why people criticize her more than the ML. People are allowed to hate or criticize whoever character they want to." i never really cared about the fact people hate her more, idk y ur still bringing that up, all i said was that i think he sucks, too. plus i was hating and criticizing him and then u came in and explained that he doesn't deserve as much criticism as another character i said nothing about.
"YOU said the ML sucks too and listed his actions as your reason. I responded by explaining why I don't think his actions warrant the same level of criticism as hers and why I think there are valid reasons people criticize her more. THAT was my point." ok well my whole point was that i felt practically everybody hates only her and that it felt like he wasnt getting any hate he deserved. if ur point was that her actions were much worse, warranting more criticism, in my opinion wouldnt it make more sense to explain to me how she's worse instead of how he's not so bad? if we can both agree he's a bad person, trying to explain his circumstances to me seems like a moot point.

Hope you don't mind the long write up btw.
Okay, NOW we're actually getting somewhere, because you're finally explaining how you interpreted what I said instead of just telling me what you think I meant. But I still think your interpretation is a stretch, and you're conflating several different points I made.
Yes, I brought up the fact that people hate the FL more. I brought it up because your original comment was literally about how “everybody's hating on the FL” while the ML “sucks too.” My response was specifically challenging the idea that the ML deserves the same level of condemnation, and explaining why I think the disproportionate criticism toward the FL is understandable. So obviously I was going to talk about WHY people criticize her more. That wasn't me claiming you said people weren't allowed to hate her more. It was me addressing the contrast YOU introduced between the way the two characters are being treated.
And yes, I said his actions were “somewhat understandable” because they ARE understandable within the context of his character. That doesn't mean they're justified. There's an enormous difference between explaining an action and mitigating or excusing it. If I say, “This character did X because of Y,” I am explaining causation, not assigning moral approval to X. You can disagree with my assessment of how relevant his trauma is, but calling that “minimizing” his actions simply because I provided context is not a logical conclusion.
You also say trauma is irrelevant because the FL has trauma too. But that doesn't really follow. The fact that the FL also has trauma doesn't make the ML's circumstances irrelevant. If we're analyzing WHY either character behaves the way they do, then both of their backgrounds are relevant. And I never claimed his trauma makes his behavior more acceptable than hers. I was explaining why I have a different interpretation of his behavior than you do. That's completely different.
And your point about me mentioning that she made the first move is being flattened too. I wasn't saying, “She initiated it, therefore everything he did was fine.” I was pointing out that after the initial deception, there was an additional point where she voluntarily pursued a relationship with him, and he reciprocated. That matters when we're evaluating the dynamic between them. It doesn't erase the deception, but neither does the deception erase everything that happened afterward.
As for the “only crime” wording, I think you're reading that more literally than I intended. I wasn't saying, “His only morally wrong action in the entire story was accepting her confession.” I was talking about that particular situation and comparing his role in what happened with the things the FL did to him. If my wording made it sound like I was reducing the entire issue to “he accepted her confession,” then sure, I could have phrased that better. But that still doesn't prove I was excusing him.
And on the informed-consent issue, I actually think you're making a fairer point here than you were with the trauma argument. You're saying I reduced a much more complicated act of deception to “he accepted her,” and I can understand why you'd object to that characterization. But I don't agree that acknowledging the informed-consent implications automatically means I have to accept your conclusion that this makes him a rapist. Those are two separate claims. I can acknowledge that withholding his identity materially affected her ability to make an informed decision while still disagreeing with the specific label you're applying to him. If that’s the case, they are stories where the FL literally hid their identity from the ML and deceived them about who they actually were, yet no one saw them as a rapist or held them to the same level of criticism you’re applying to the ML here.
Now here's where I think you're missing MY point again.
You keep saying, “I don't care that people hate her more. I only said the ML sucks too.” Fine. But when you say “everybody's hating on the FL” and then explain that the ML is a creepy stalker who deceived her into sleeping with him, you're making a point about the relative criticism being directed at these characters. That's why I responded by discussing why I think the criticism isn't necessarily disproportionate. I'm not trying to convince you that you're allowed to hate her more. I'm explaining why I DON'T find it surprising that people are harsher toward her.
And this is where I actually agree with part of what you're saying: if your entire objective was simply “the ML sucks too, and I think people should acknowledge what he did,” then yes, explaining why his behavior is understandable doesn't really address your concern. But that's because I wasn't responding to your comment from that angle. I was responding to what I perceived as the implication behind “everybody's hating on the FL” namely, that the amount of criticism she's receiving is somehow unfair because the ML's wrongdoing is being overlooked.
So if your actual point was ONLY, “I know she's terrible, but I'm pointing out that he's terrible too because I don't see enough people discussing his actions,” then fine. But in that case, we're not actually disagreeing about whether he did shitty things. We disagree about how much weight those things deserve relative to what she did.
And that's ultimately what this entire argument has been about. You think his actions deserve more criticism than they're receiving. I think they're wrong, but I also think there's considerably more context to his behavior and that the FL's actions justify why people focus their criticism on her more. Neither of those positions requires pretending the other character is innocent.
So no, I wasn't trying to prove that the ML “isn't wrong.” I was explaining why I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HIS ACTIONS, which is literally what you invited by saying “the ML sucks too” and giving those actions as your reason. If you didn't want people to comment on that assessment, then I'm not really sure what the point of bringing his actions up in the first place was

Holy shit you wrote 11 paragraphs over this I wish I could write like you but for school

Okay, but it's not 11 paragraphs btw, it's 12. So tanxs for the sarcasm

mb but it’s not sarcasm I just thought it was funny u deadass got a talent

Okay? Tanxs, Lol

omg i miss him #bringvalkoback

The real dick here is estp lmaooo, but entp aint forced to like infp back tho? Im sure he'll end up with infj

yea no duh he doesnt have to? i didnt say that anywhere in my comment