Best bittersweet story, honestly even both of them pain in the ass that reader can't stand it. I still in love with their development not realistic but this problem is actually happened a lot in gay community that makes the story so relate to me. Preach kengo for able to take lead and making hide sure about his feeling....people hate hide but being closed gay that get diswoned by his parents plus being abused by his ex ofc he is scared for losing kengo that why he always runaway and avoid talking...im happy in the end both of them become lovely couple(づ￣ ³￣)づ
I agree with some people being over familiar that would give their partner the wrong idea, I just don't like how Kengo phrases the way he said that he isn't as sorry for her because he understands where the abuse came from (therefore it's like saying that part of it is the victim's fault). I'd rather he put it that he understands why her husband would doubt her instead. (of course, it could also be the translated version only, he could have said it differently in JP!)
All I need to say is that I LOVE Kengo. Why aren't there more rational seme's?? I hate seme's who feel the need to focus on one person at a time because they are "pitiful" in some way and while doing so they leave their partner and tell them to "wait for them" while they attend to their past lover or someone who has feelings for them because they have issues they think only the seme can "fix".
people berating kengo's views and i see were there coming from and im not defending abuser but i understand kengo He gave reason as to why shibuyas husband got the Wrong idea > husband "found out" she went to dinner dates with a colleague > she didn't apologize for it and explained herself which lead for the husband believing she's a cheater > she was clingy with kenga too which was actually lowkey weird bc she didn't acted that way with hidetoshi at all even though he's an ex classmate and even kept reassuring her he'd help her like shouldn't chu be chummy w him rather then ur "unsympathetic" ex who u didnt really get along with in ur relationship and broke up in bad terms? and like kengo said divorce that ass, stand up for yourself, you either commit and work out the relationship or just walk out of the relationship before it becomes more toxic... The husband is 100% at fault but shibuya's actions were a catalist of his rage this isnt victim blaming qnd this doent mean her husband actions were right. If i was in the husband i sure wouldn't have hit shibuya but i wouldnt be happy about her going out on dates behind my back and not even give an explanation as to why. people should keep in mind about personal space "yours" and the "other persons", especially when you're in a relationship.
Agree i remember reading it back in 2018 and i honestly saw many people hating on seme for saying that rather than understanding the meaning behind his words.
They were together during their ups and down, fighting, misunderstanding and more but at the end of the day they can't be separated as they love each other who is one can't live without the other and vise versa. What I'm so thankful was when Kengo accepted Hidetoshi as being gay and stick with him all those years even though Hidetoshi tried to pushed him away to protect him, if he wasn't persistent then them being together is impossible though it took him many years before finally admitted to himself his love for Hide. Anyways, their story is more realistic so this story hits different (though I'm a girl) but I have gays friends and workmates so I know how hard for them the real world after knowing and admitting their self.
The story was good. Thank God though late, Kengo realized his feelings for Hide, but it broke my heart that he had to pass all those years of abuse for that. Really, us human beings, are really complex. And until the very end the ex trying to make Hide insecure about Kengo's feelings, such a p***.
the author really thought she did something with that insensitive talk in chapter 11 and the victim blaming.
that girl is getting abused!! and its totally normal for her to hug her ex boyfriend who shes already familiar with and knows who wont abuse her. she isnt acting over-familiar or is flirting, shes literally asking to be protected and seeks help!! even if she were to cheat, abuse is never okay?? is the author out of their mind?? and whats the matter with the misunderstandings?? now people in relationships cant even have friends of the other gender and go eat with them?? in what century are we living again??
and that some female readers are still defending this shit talk because of their insecurities or because thats how their family has teached them... babygirl you are a victim.
Why not asked to be protected by Hide? Why does it have to be kenga? rory
why should she tho? for her hide is a stranger, she at least knows kenga, can trust him. that iswhy she asks him, someone she is already familiar with instead of a complete stranger.
just so that u can understand it better, if you were getting abused by your boyfriend and you wanted to come out of this relationship, but were to be too scared, but were to see your ex-partner, who is strong and you already know and trust, wouldnt you feel better to open up to him about the abuse instead of a stranger you dont even know if they would really help?
and this has nothing to do with jealousy or anything like that. because hide actually wanted to help the girl, but kenga didnt want to help her and gave her the fault for the abuse which is just completely bullshit! kenganis just a bad person that victim-blames.
why should she tho? for her hide is a stranger, she at least knows kenga, can trust him. that iswhy she asks him, someone she is already familiar with instead of a complete stranger.just so that u can understan... ♡cutiebun♡₍ᐢ ᐢ₎
I just finished reading this.
But to be honest, the words kenga said were true, if you were in a relationship especially married, why would you go on dates? The mere fact that he is an ex, why would she cling to kenga as if they were familiar? They broke up 10years ago.
And Hide was a close friend to begin with, and sympathetic at the same time. She should have hugged him too, like how he hugged her EX. and her hugging her EX is a red flag for me if I were her partner.
There will be no smoke if there's no fire, her dating and getting chummy with a co.worker is a red flag. I'm not saying that physical abuse is right, but she knew the cause yet she still is chummy to other people especially opposite sex.
Kenga was right when he said that if she can't take it anymore, then get help, he doesn't need to be sympathetic or talk sweetly cause it may lead to a misunderstanding (like her thinking kenga still has feelings for her and that Hide might get hurt too)
but if your view of relationship is open and that men should understand that they can't control their wife if they have male friends, then it's on you too. I'm not saying you're wrong though. I myself don't want to be controlled too, but I'll try respect my partner by not getting chummy with a friend and going on dates behind his back. They're lack of communication is the problem.
idk why people are hating on what kengo said to the girl, yes some of what he said is wrong however when he told her that if she’s not gonna file for a divorce then there’s nothing he can do to help her, he was fuckin right. it’s scary being in an absuive relationship but u cant get proper help if ur not brave enough to take that step to separate from the officially. it’s very hard ofc however it’s what NEEDS to be done in order to make u happy.
all in all, book has its flaws and everything but if it all wrapped up nicely?? hidetoshi bothered me a lot too cuz tbh all of this could’ve been avoided if he communicated. idk idk it’s aight but i rlly love asashi-san , shes SO CUTE
kengo literally spatted bullshit like all men do when they are victim blaming and take the side of the abuser.
how can you expect for the girl to file a for a divorce or ask for his help after he blamed her for her husband beating her?? she literally went out to eat with her friend. it wasnt a date, it wasnt cheating, it wasnt a misunderstanding, and even if it was a misunderstanding didnt she already clear it up with her husband that it was a friend.
kengo blamed her, acted cold towards her, a victim of household abuse und then wonders why she doesnt want his help? i wouldnt either because i would think that they dont believe me anyways and that it's my fault.
of course, and i agree with you, you sometimes really cant help a victim unless they seek help themselves, but kengo literally did everything worse and made it difficult for her to seek for help after his cold act and his victim blaming. and from his boyfriends reaction it should have been obvious that even he was shocked at how cold he was towards her. he was so nice towards his boyfriend when he got abused so it makes nooo sense why he would be so cold towards her. it feels like some kind of misogyny from the authors side and im honestly tired of it seeing it continuously in yaoi.
I used to really like this manga, it was one of the first yaoi i ever read but now that i'm an adult reading it again, i seriously cannot stand these two. kengo's a condescending asshole and hidetoshi is also a pretty toxic person with the way he always runs to kengo whenever he needs a shoulder to cry on but still acts coldly towards him. kengo's the fucking worst though. abusive people don't beat their partners because they have the wrong tone of voice or they caused a misunderstanding, they do it because it gives them power and control over the other person. you can spend every second walking on eggshells and trying to do everything right and they'll still find an excuse to lash out because they've learned that they can use violence to get their way.
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Best bittersweet story, honestly even both of them pain in the ass that reader can't stand it. I still in love with their development not realistic but this problem is actually happened a lot in gay community that makes the story so relate to me. Preach kengo for able to take lead and making hide sure about his feeling....people hate hide but being closed gay that get diswoned by his parents plus being abused by his ex ofc he is scared for losing kengo that why he always runaway and avoid talking...im happy in the end both of them become lovely couple(づ￣ ³￣)づ
I agree with some people being over familiar that would give their partner the wrong idea, I just don't like how Kengo phrases the way he said that he isn't as sorry for her because he understands where the abuse came from (therefore it's like saying that part of it is the victim's fault). I'd rather he put it that he understands why her husband would doubt her instead. (of course, it could also be the translated version only, he could have said it differently in JP!)
is there no volume 2?
All I need to say is that I LOVE Kengo. Why aren't there more rational seme's?? I hate seme's who feel the need to focus on one person at a time because they are "pitiful" in some way and while doing so they leave their partner and tell them to "wait for them" while they attend to their past lover or someone who has feelings for them because they have issues they think only the seme can "fix".
people berating kengo's views and i see were there coming from and im not defending abuser but i understand kengo
He gave reason as to why shibuyas husband got the
Wrong idea > husband "found out" she went to dinner dates with a colleague > she didn't apologize for it and explained herself which lead for the husband believing she's a cheater > she was clingy with kenga too which was actually lowkey weird bc she didn't acted that way with hidetoshi at all even though he's an ex classmate and even kept reassuring her he'd help her like shouldn't chu be chummy w him rather then ur "unsympathetic" ex who u didnt really get along with in ur relationship and broke up in bad terms?
and like kengo said divorce that ass, stand up for yourself, you either commit and work out the relationship or just walk out of the relationship before it becomes more toxic...
The husband is 100% at fault but shibuya's actions were a catalist of his rage this isnt victim blaming qnd this doent mean her husband actions were right.
If i was in the husband i sure wouldn't have hit shibuya but i wouldnt be happy about her going out on dates behind my back and not even give an explanation as to why.
people should keep in mind about personal space "yours" and the "other persons", especially when you're in a relationship.
I agree to this.
Preach!
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Agree i remember reading it back in 2018 and i honestly saw many people hating on seme for saying that rather than understanding the meaning behind his words.
They were together during their ups and down, fighting, misunderstanding and more but at the end of the day they can't be separated as they love each other who is one can't live without the other and vise versa. What I'm so thankful was when Kengo accepted Hidetoshi as being gay and stick with him all those years even though Hidetoshi tried to pushed him away to protect him, if he wasn't persistent then them being together is impossible though it took him many years before finally admitted to himself his love for Hide. Anyways, their story is more realistic so this story hits different (though I'm a girl) but I have gays friends and workmates so I know how hard for them the real world after knowing and admitting their self.
The story was good. Thank God though late, Kengo realized his feelings for Hide, but it broke my heart that he had to pass all those years of abuse for that. Really, us human beings, are really complex.
And until the very end the ex trying to make Hide insecure about Kengo's feelings, such a p***.
the author really thought she did something with that insensitive talk in chapter 11 and the victim blaming.
that girl is getting abused!!
and its totally normal for her to hug her ex boyfriend who shes already familiar with and knows who wont abuse her. she isnt acting over-familiar or is flirting, shes literally asking to be protected and seeks help!! even if she were to cheat, abuse is never okay?? is the author out of their mind??
and whats the matter with the misunderstandings?? now people in relationships cant even have friends of the other gender and go eat with them?? in what century are we living again??
and that some female readers are still defending this shit talk because of their insecurities or because thats how their family has teached them... babygirl you are a victim.
Why not asked to be protected by Hide? Why does it have to be kenga?
BTW, i haven't read the story yet. I based my comment to other comments
I'm just asking
why should she tho? for her hide is a stranger, she at least knows kenga, can trust him. that iswhy she asks him, someone she is already familiar with instead of a complete stranger.
just so that u can understand it better, if you were getting abused by your boyfriend and you wanted to come out of this relationship, but were to be too scared, but were to see your ex-partner, who is strong and you already know and trust, wouldnt you feel better to open up to him about the abuse instead of a stranger you dont even know if they would really help?
and this has nothing to do with jealousy or anything like that. because hide actually wanted to help the girl, but kenga didnt want to help her and gave her the fault for the abuse which is just completely bullshit! kenganis just a bad person that victim-blames.
I just finished reading this.
But to be honest, the words kenga said were true, if you were in a relationship especially married, why would you go on dates? The mere fact that he is an ex, why would she cling to kenga as if they were familiar? They broke up 10years ago.
And Hide was a close friend to begin with, and sympathetic at the same time. She should have hugged him too, like how he hugged her EX. and her hugging her EX is a red flag for me if I were her partner.
There will be no smoke if there's no fire, her dating and getting chummy with a co.worker is a red flag. I'm not saying that physical abuse is right, but she knew the cause yet she still is chummy to other people especially opposite sex.
Kenga was right when he said that if she can't take it anymore, then get help, he doesn't need to be sympathetic or talk sweetly cause it may lead to a misunderstanding (like her thinking kenga still has feelings for her and that Hide might get hurt too)
but if your view of relationship is open and that men should understand that they can't control their wife if they have male friends, then it's on you too. I'm not saying you're wrong though. I myself don't want to be controlled too, but I'll try respect my partner by not getting chummy with a friend and going on dates behind his back. They're lack of communication is the problem.
P.s. Why would she even expect Kenga to help her?
sighhh
idk why people are hating on what kengo said to the girl, yes some of what he said is wrong however when he told her that if she’s not gonna file for a divorce then there’s nothing he can do to help her, he was fuckin right. it’s scary being in an absuive relationship but u cant get proper help if ur not brave enough to take that step to separate from the officially. it’s very hard ofc however it’s what NEEDS to be done in order to make u happy.
all in all, book has its flaws and everything but if it all wrapped up nicely?? hidetoshi bothered me a lot too cuz tbh all of this could’ve been avoided if he communicated. idk idk it’s aight but i rlly love asashi-san , shes SO CUTE
kengo literally spatted bullshit like all men do when they are victim blaming and take the side of the abuser.
how can you expect for the girl to file a for a divorce or ask for his help after he blamed her for her husband beating her?? she literally went out to eat with her friend. it wasnt a date, it wasnt cheating, it wasnt a misunderstanding, and even if it was a misunderstanding didnt she already clear it up with her husband that it was a friend.
kengo blamed her, acted cold towards her, a victim of household abuse und then wonders why she doesnt want his help? i wouldnt either because i would think that they dont believe me anyways and that it's my fault.
of course, and i agree with you, you sometimes really cant help a victim unless they seek help themselves, but kengo literally did everything worse and made it difficult for her to seek for help after his cold act and his victim blaming. and from his boyfriends reaction it should have been obvious that even he was shocked at how cold he was towards her. he was so nice towards his boyfriend when he got abused so it makes nooo sense why he would be so cold towards her. it feels like some kind of misogyny from the authors side and im honestly tired of it seeing it continuously in yaoi.
I used to really like this manga, it was one of the first yaoi i ever read but now that i'm an adult reading it again, i seriously cannot stand these two. kengo's a condescending asshole and hidetoshi is also a pretty toxic person with the way he always runs to kengo whenever he needs a shoulder to cry on but still acts coldly towards him. kengo's the fucking worst though. abusive people don't beat their partners because they have the wrong tone of voice or they caused a misunderstanding, they do it because it gives them power and control over the other person. you can spend every second walking on eggshells and trying to do everything right and they'll still find an excuse to lash out because they've learned that they can use violence to get their way.