So there's a comment I found on Instagram that intrigued my curiosity about what women would think.
Ok so the comment is (a little bit paraphrased cuz I don't remember the exact thing) "If a woman said 'i hate all men' are trans men included?"
It kind of intrigued me because if you say "no" that means you're not acknowledging that trans men are men or you're lying about the "I hate all men" part. But if you say "yes," you're acknowledging that they are men, and you hate them too.
Is that a stupid-ass question? Sorry for being dense. I just want people's thoughts on this stupid question. :3
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Well yeah, it's not like some women can't have internalised misogyny and hate other women. All genders can be one, but majority of it is just men. Misogyny is about power and control over a woman's choice and life.
i hate em all. im a misandrist, not transphobic.
hhiiii as a transmasc individual I’d like to share my thoughts. Keep in mind that I’m not going to be speaking for all transmasc people, just for my own.
IMO, I don’t think it really matters (?)… since transmasc as a term also includes people who are nonbinary masc-leaning (such as myself, who identifies as ‘masc’ but not ‘a man’).
You have to understand that “I hate (all) men” aren’t actually “I hate everybody who identifies as a masc individual/every man” but more “I hate men, specifically/more often cis men, who are misogynistic and uses their masculine identity to oppress others, etc etc”
Majority of transmen/transmasc individual have experienced and ARE still experiencing misogyny on top of being an oppressed minority; especially if they do not “pass” as a man or choose not to pass. It’s worse in third-world countries where trans /LGBTQ+ people don’t have rights.
As for the answer; I do not think answering “No” means you’re transphobic or do not recognised transmascs as men. It’s like how women (usually the ones who say “I hate all men”) GENERALLY feel more comfortable being around AFABs and gay men, they understand how it’s like being an oppressed individual and are more prone to empathize with women who experience misogyny.
Answering “yes” doesn’t make you bad/your opinion invalid either though, I do agree with the sentiment that even though transmascs can and do often empathise with a woman’s experience with misogyny, it doesn’t automatically mean that they aren’t misogynistic too (heck, even cis/trans women are misogynistic. It’s just that men’s voice are louder and they have power over women—legally and physically speaking.)
i hope this answers ur question somehwat !!!! (⌒▽⌒)
i have a friend who has a trans friend and whenever she talks abt that person i wanna rip his throat coz he is a trash. since then i wondered is being a man really requires you being an asshole.
I personally would assume that if you said "I hate all men!" that you were referring to anyone who was born male and who identifies as male.
as a man-hater i hate trans men too. they are indeed men, and theyre often as bad as cis men. youre right, it would be transphobic to assume that they would be any different than cis men, cuz that means you inherently see them as "different". which, why would you? they were always men, they always thought like men do. them having been born in a female body doesnt really have anything to do with it, many of them end up as misogynistic incels anyway.
When you hate everyone you don't have moral dilemmas like these. Embrace misanthropy.
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Some trans men are actually really misogynistic as apparently it makes them feel more like men but i would reply no, trans men still experienced being treated like women and the misogyny that comes with that.
Idk but I think no....
Not in a transphobic way but just in a "they'd understand women" way
thisss i was thinking the same way