i am aware that this is a dumb question so pls dont get mad. so when (and why) are they i...

Basically, it's kind of like fetishes in my reasoning. Psychologists say those are a learned behavior. Weird thing is that some of them you can't pin point and some are so odd it's almost impossible to figure out why. Hell, some might be formed when were infants. You just don't know.

Sometimes, we think our personal preferences, including sexual preferences, sometimes "come out of nowhere", and that we have no influence from any outside source. This argument is quite weak to me: Just because you do not recognize the influence events have on you does not mean they do not affect you.

I found this too--there can be DNA and biological differences between identical twins. Maybe epigencis is the answer.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-genetic-homosexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html

Here's another information I found about this story on another articles. Seems dishonest to leave it out:
"The findings do not show whether a test would show whether a child would grow up to be gay or not – as the research was carried out on adults"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3265248/Homosexuality-imprinted-genes-Scientists-predict-gay-70-cent-accuracy.html

With that being said, what is said in your article...:

"While genes rarely change over a lifetime, the epigenome is constantly changing. By imprinting themselves on the epigenome, though, environmental influences may powerfully affect how an individual's genes express themselves over the course of his life".

Environment.

Heh, this sure got off topic! Interesting discussions though, but I wonder how Hana feels about the amount of comments generated from a single comment about when they fell in love. (=・ω・=)

I doubt that being LGBT is learned behaviour - maybe in a few cases, but I know too many in the community who have known their preferences from a young age and some that have come from very hetero or religious households and I doubt the parents or other family/friends were teaching the children less conventional sexual behaviours and attitudes. Fetishes may be learned, but sexual preference? No.

I was actually implying fetishes may not be learnt behavior. Nor that homosexuality is a fetish.

It's still just a theory, and no doctors or researchers seem to know much more than this theory. Nobody knows for sure where fetishes come from.

And by learnt, they don't actually literally mean that people teach them to fetish something ahaha.

Basically, I was just saying that those things can't be explained that simply.

Mkay, I got lost in my thoughts with how you interpreted "learnt".

Basically, I'm saying just because you do not recognize the influence events have on you does not mean they do not affect you. There xD.

Then again, I do believe most of it is determined in your childhood. So yes, they can indeed know their sexual preference from a young age.

Basically, I don't just have this kind of understanding for homosexuals.

I believe it's a culmination of events you may or may not recognize that makes most of your character (or sexual orientation in this case), and initial genes only so much. That people like to think "they're born that way", but there's probably more into it than they realize themselves.

That holds true as well for genders, I like to question how much genes affect a certain gender's behaviors and whether it's probably more cultural. Most people just assume they born that way, as a girl or a boy.

I'm not saying sexual orientation has the same causes at all. They seem much more subtle than that. But here I learned:
- Identical twins being both homosexual far from 100% likely, whatever would be the real numbers.
- First prototype on being able to determine a person's sexual orientation through ADN is by testing the genomes, which changes as you age and is affected by your environment.

I'm just saying, it seems extremely interesting to continue searching in that direction. Especially since people seem to think they have to prove they were born with it so that they're socially more accepted, so studies and their political correctness focus on desperately trying to prove that most of the time. And still have yet to find the infamous gay gene (but still gain a lot of attention, so $$$).

But I'm more interested by the truth than political correctness in this case. Though I think it's totally fine if it's more environmental than anything. Doesn't change the fact that they can't help it.

And even if they could, who cares. I don't even live in a place where religion is remotely relevant, so I sure won't be the one saying they're sinning LOL. They just love the same sex, gee.

Anyway, that probably isn't the place for that sort of debate, sorry for my tangent xD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality take a break people here is wikepedia (⊙…⊙ )

Of course, environment plays a role--just not an exclusive role. Biology counts too. The epigenome is biology even if it changes over time. Think of it as being born in a family with a tendency towards diabetes or heart attacks. Your environment and your choices matter, but sometimes you could be a complete health nut and still get the condition. Other people can live on doughnuts and never exercise and not get the condition, no matter how bad their "nurture" because biology matters.

As an aside, I find it odd that so many studies act as if "homosexual" and "heterosexual" are the only options and completely leave out bisexuals and the bisexual/omnisexual spectrum. I think if you are born with the capacity to be attracted to men and women both (or to people who refuse gender identity--e.g. "omnisexual"), how you choose to express that will be heavily influenced by environment and your own personality. On the other hand, if you are born with a strong biological preference for one gender, then all the nurture int the word won't change that--it's just who you are.

Factors interact and nurture matters--but within the spectrum of what is biologically possible for the individual.

Fair enough. : ). But we have a long wait. It's either this or "If their love had a song, what song would it be?"

love me like u do the song of Ellie Goulding （￣へ￣） i like it

Flesh by Simon Curtis works

I'm just wondering though, while people may have more of a biological tendency, but still have more than 50% of the other twins ignoring those, can't the other way around work? You're predisposed to be heterosexual, but develop more into homosexuality?

I myself am what you'd call heteroflexible, or bi-curious for others. I wouldn't call myself bisexual because I never had a serious relationship with a woman. I'm just open to fooling around with the same sex, and of course women are attractive in their own way. I already prefer guys with some feminine features. It just so happens that I'd prefer a guy as a life partner, so really I don't make anything serious out of it. Besides, I'm already specific enough for my ideal type of man life partner lol.

But honestly I think it's more out of open-mindness than anything else... I warmed up to the idea and by doing so developed an attraction for certain women feature in the last few years that before I couldn't care about. I'm saying that at 18 I didn't get it but explored it after and it grew on me.

Before that in high school I knew about 5 of my friends who were feeling the same way too, be it just kissing or having sex, to having a serious relationship. But now they're dating mostly men and haven't done anything with a woman for a while.

But really, she just needs to be good looking, act all sensual and I'm down so bad. Soooo baaaad. I have my type, but only sex-wise, if that makes sense? The media is always sexualizing women, that certainly got to me over time aha. And that's as of yet, I just haven't explored it much further, and only have once genuinely fallen in love (past lust) with a guy as of yet.

So really, I feel we're boxing people in labels way too much. Sexuality is just very fluid and confusing.

You'd probably like to argue that I was born that way (because supposedly that's more important than how they grew up), but honestly I don't feel so. I just didn't hold any disgust toward the idea, and already had plenty of exposure to it. Those that feel that way for themselves I feel just had it being as clear as day early in their childhood, while for others it's just later. Later is probably only works for developing a second attraction though aha, I doubt you can just erase one.

It's a sexual attraction, but not romantic. But as I've said, I've only fell in love with one guy, so maybe it's about not finding the girl? Aha.

But really, everyone's different, I'm probably just extremely fluid and shouldn't expect everyone to be so. But for me, I really feel I had to work it in my head before it became a thing. Then again, I've managed to change most of my gender behavior in the span of 1-2 years, so...

well my friend i know that i might be so younger to talk with u about this but do u know that in many countries in the world homosexuality is a crime and gays and lesbians are living in a hell even and not them only also the people whom support them and try to protect them and accept them well for me i think homos born this way i mean the Sexual orientation is not a choice its something u born with however let*s back to the orginal subject those homos whom live in countries like this they often do two thing first they make their relashionships a secret even from their families and live a life with lies and problems or second try to become normal people and curb their desires and Either way they will have a lot of problems with their Communities this is why u should know how lucky u are this is why u dont need to think a lot about the whole thing just live your life as u like and can and even if you are a gay love doesn*t know a gender right ? and for your futur soulmate and partner u will meet him by time so dont worry finally if u feel that this is the way you are really always be happy and have faith and everything will be alright (●'◡'●)ﾉ

just stop talking about gender and Sexual orientation bla bla bla........ just take it easy and live a happy life