Idk why I even go through mangago comments anymore

They’re always crying about the same shit as if it’s going to change anything

Your thought at the end was a very real question, I’m a very big fan of BL and YAOI however, My reason for not likening when they add romance to an action plot is because they tend to use annoying characteristics that make it hard to like the FL if there were one. Like whiny, annoying, frustrating girls as the FML. And it’s also cuz once they add a romance line to this type of story it becomes predictable and there’s way less action than if they left it without a FML. But I agree with you regardless of my personal thoughts

I 100% agree. Even though I'm not the biggest fan of romance subplots in action comics, I find the constant complaining annoying. I want to read discussions more relevant to the story and recent chapters. The author isn't even gonna see comments here anyways.
I also agree with DweebKIKI1. I feel like the FLs would be less complained about of authors made them more likeable and not just hindrances to the MCs plans. But still, if the FLs were gender swapped I don't think those same traits would be shit on so much

Yeah if the genders were switched they wouldn’t be shit on, I think it’s cuz authors always have this stereotype in their mind abt how men should act even if they were gay/bi/anything else, and wouldn’t purposely make the male love interest annoying or less likeable. However since it’s a girl they would because of gender roles/stereotypes, and there’s so many stories with annoying FMLs so they probably don’t even think it’s a bad thing imo

As was said... they just make FLs so dang annoying... and ahen they make bl with someone that annoying, weak and burdensome... you bet they get shat on too. XD
If they were genderswapped tho... it would probably be a bromance and bl fans would just ship them even with no real romance there.
Also, I wouldn't mind if the FL was this new girl, as long as she kept her determination and strength from the past life. I fear she'll turn into a bumbling stuttering fool too busy following the very unintelligent princess around and become strong enough to protect her (cuz that dumb bish will probably get into more trouble) but not strong enough to contend with mc like last life.
I think the biggest problem with romance in action comics is that the FLs are made "to be protected" and not "partners". As a female reader it honestly feels bad to see FLs being too inferior to MC that frequently. I think the closest I can get guys to understand how badly made the female characters are is asking them to imagine MC acting all "cutesy" instead. Like, instead of mr. cool guy with arms crossed or hands in pocket by the wall... imagine him with that feet facing each other, hands on the waist and pouty face girl get drawn in. Top it with him whinnying and finishing sentences with mo~ ne~ or other "cutesy sounds". To finish, he walks around... skipping and humming. He's still strong, still smart but have this weird image that makes him look very uncool. It's either that or mc being all powerfull but needing a girl to save him all the time because the enemy was too strong for him.

Sorry it got long... anyway... I'd probably wish there's no romance if the romantic interest kept same annoying traits... no matter if BG, BL or GL... annoying partners and badly written romance can destroy a good plot.

But I'll also read it anyway... (￣∇￣")

I guess I understand it a bit more now

Fr

Thanks for the insight, I guess if I read enough manga/manhwa and they all turned out having the same cliche’s I would also go insane

Fr... this one is kinda an exemple... this is the 3rd male mc that was "used" and betrayed/killed by the family, went back to when was a kid and did sheet no kid would do...
This assassin, the one with dog breed names?, the "shadow" one. Tbh I eat it everytime... but also, everytime they meet a girl that complicates their plans, twist and bend their objectives and need to be saved from time to time...and there's no acquaintances to friends to lovers... is just... mc saves them and they fall at his feet...
Sorry for the rant... but yeah 99% of the romances in action are the same cliché... as girls liking or not we kinda associate with the fl... and it is maddening how stupid and boring it gets from this pov...
Again... sorry for the rant... (▰˘◡˘▰)

I love this discussion. ( ¯꒳¯ )ᐝ

I'd also like to add that these stories are written from the KOREAN CULTURAL STEREOTYPE PERSPECTIVE. Whether it's a lady author or a male author in Korean society they are very big on gender role and I'd say they're behind in the times of gender equality.

I'm going to assume that these stories are mostly written by men because the woman of South Korea usually don't want to be involved with men and when they do right about men they write them as genuine humans or with likeable traits. That's why these actions stories have unlikeable FLs because that's how the korean men see woman as....JUST AN ANNOYING, WHINEY DAMSEL IN DESTRESS WHO THEY CAN SHOW OFF THEIR COOL BADASS SIDE TO FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES.

We all know that if the story was written by any women or even an AMERICAN lady the story would have hella depth and the romance would be perfectly paced and shown with awesome timing. That's honestly how I make through these stories that have harem or romance in them but simply just accepting that "a South Korea wrote it so that's the way it is"

I've heard of Korean women boycotting Korean men so honestly that fits

Yep... I wont deny. However... I can't say much for americans... their HQs can be hella misogynistic too
But yeah each culture have their own clichés... kr, chn, jp and americans/westerns too. The secret is to ignore some things and rotate between them as to not get too annoyed.

Btw imo the biggest cliché of western romance are supernatural beings, werewolves and vampires for example. The other one kinda overlaps, the rich, powerful, jealous and handsome CEO.

Basically, men get the OP male lead surrounded by hot women in love with him and women get the female lead that's smart and strong but still need the prince charming who's even stronger and smarter (and richer) to save her. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ The universal clichés.

Of course we have good cliché works and good non clichés in every culture too... but I won't lie... we all love some bad written and very exagerated clichés sometimes...

Agreed.

Imagine if 90% of the stories you like suddenly introduced a rude little boy, a himbo wearing nothing but a speedo, a stuck up teenage boy who's useless, a sexy guy who's only character trait is wanting to get in MC's pants, and a male K-pop idol lookalike that acts cute with pouty lips and a hand on his hip. At least one of them is almost always on screen, they spend all their time flirting with MC and getting jealous of each other, but somehow they're still fine sharing him while they stay faithful because he's just that great. And yes, he also dates the child.

This is basically the female experience reading action.

And don't forget that they are responsible for 70% of mc's troubles and the reason mc just can't focus on his goal because they are always being targeted, kidnapped, oppressed by their families or simply need saving after trying to help others and being too incompetent to do it properly...

Yes this is exactly why I barely find harem enjoyable compared to re harem!! If there’s a re harem similar to that, I’m 1000% going to drop it.