Hestia is a weirdo stalker creep that's the point that's how she managed to keep kael alive. And as for Diana she is all of those things but she was also given feedback by multiple people and never worked to improve herself because she didnt want to leave her advantageous position or perspective she had chances to do better and she turned away from all of them for her own selfish reasons.
my point is they did it to late, if she was corrected earlier it would've never happened
She's not ten she's a grown woman who had partial control over a nation. Theyre all around the same age it doesn't make sense to blame the other characters for not correcting her actions imo because she's not a child for one and for two they didn't recognize that her actions were harmful.
Hestia pointed it out (mind you not just Diana's actions but also helios's actions) and helios showed remorse and corrected himself. Like an adult. Diana showed no remorse except for when she viewed something as being taken from her and played as the victim despite her taking advantage of multiple people.
I'm not saying you can't be sympathetic to Diana or like her but dont try to make her character something she's not. She's a product of her environment but she is also an adult with responsibilities. An adult who is selfish manipulative prideful and a little naive. She was given the same chances helios was and she chose not to be better. That's on her not any of the other characters.
I find her interesting and complex as a character but im not going to pretend she's simply just a victim of her circumstance.
What I don't like about Diana is she didn't think she's wrong....even in the ending I feel like she's thinking that she's still the victim. I don't feel sorry for someone who can't accept their wrongdoings.
oh yeah no yeah you're totally right but like everyone gave up on her when she's clearly wasn't in the right state of mind! plus hestia was LITERALLY manipulating her and making her seem crazy to everyone else. lowk if I were Diana i'd have her too!! she told diana to hide her losing her powers and then tried to act coy towards what's his face. if this were written in any other pic Hestia would be evil
Hestias not evil and Diana isn't either, i think that's a bit of a black and white view of something that's very nuanced. Hestia most definitely made self serving and manipulative plays especially in regards to Diana but she also helped the common people and kael. Diana is self centered and extreme but she also was struggling with her self perception and she was doing her best at trying to help even if she was misguided.
The contrast between them isn't supposed to be good and evil it's supposed to be privileged vs realistic. Extreme vs moderate, that's part of what makes hestia such a good partner for kael not because shes good or evil but because shes level headed and she has perspective.
Diana isn't a good partner for Kael because shes too extreme not only in her beliefs but also in her actions.
And as for Diana not being in the right state of mind she wasn't going through a mental break until the end of the story, time and time again we were shown that she was a fully functioning mentally there adult. She's just an incredibly sheltered naive and self centered one. That doesn't mean shes incapable of thinking or understanding and it certainly doesn't mean that shes unable to change just because she was brought up with a narrow mind set.
She was very clearly shown to be all there until the last few chapters and it was also very clearly shown that her husband and his father were giving her grace and trying to help correct her actions and guide her to the correct path.
Hestia sure as shit was provoking her but as an adult it's her job to react appropriately. And as for hestia acting coy with her husband, Diana quite literally led kael on for the longest time and kept him as a back up then got upset when her back up moved on and tried to cheat on her husband with him despite both of them being married ?? Excuse me if i dont give a fuck about how she feels about another woman moving to her man lmao.
Honestly I think this may just be a difference in opinions/perception if anything i recommend you re read and really take a look at Diana's actions and thought process during all of the encounters. Its fine if we just differ in opinions but the reasons youre presenting are a little off from what I've read in my opinion.
Hestia most definitely isn't an angel and she has her own agenda and shes a bit of an asshole sometimes but Diana most definitely isn't a victim. She got rage baited (barely) and failed every skill check because she couldn't be bothered to view the world from a perspective that didn't put her on a pedestal. Again I do like Diana's character and her complexities but a spades a spade.
Multiple people tried to set her straight and even when she was wrong her husband stuck beside her and defended her and covered for her and tried to point her right and she struck back by saying he's abandoning her.
At the end of the day Diana and Hestia are two sides of the same deeply selfish coin, Diana's tendencies just manifest in the most insufferable and self centered way while Hestias are more tolerable and tend to present in ways that also help others
Hestia isn't evil and Diana isn't either sometimes things aren't black and white but grey
It’s such a shame that I can’t give you a like on your comment, because you actually said what needed to be said. I’m sick and tired of seeing people defend Diana like she’s five years old — like she’s not a fully functional, healthy human being. Everything she did throughout the entire story came from her. Her, and only her. Nobody was playing UNO with her brain and forcing her to make decisions she would have never taken otherwise.
And people seem to forget how Diana constantly refused any kind of self-reflection. It was exhausting to watch her never take accountability for her actions. It’s not like the concept of consequences was new to her. Yet in her inner monologue or in her interactions, she never showed an ounce of empathy or compassion for the people she screwed over.
I’ve never read a single bubble from her where she said: “Yeah, I messed up. People are mad at me, and they’re right. I shouldn’t have done that.”
And this is despite multiple scandals — the tea parties, the ship accident, the dinner with nobles from other territories …
Every human being knows that actions have consequences, good or bad. That’s basic common sense. So I’m sorry, but we can’t keep defending Diana by pretending she has no common sense. She wasn’t born yesterday. She was the crown princess — and before that, the saintess. Those roles weren’t jokes. They came with responsibility and accountability. But she takes everything lightly and expects everyone to accept whatever she does. Which is, for the latest news, bad.
I’m not saying she had to stand in front of all the nobles and give a grand apology, but it would have been the bare minimum to sincerely apologize to Helios and his father for HER mistakes. But, we never once saw a sincere apology when she knew she had hurt people. And when she did apologize, it was because her reputation was at stake, or for reasons centered entirely around herself.
People can feel sympathy for her, sure — but they can’t baby her.
She knew what she was doing. She was either convinced that consequences were not applicable to her because of her status, or willingly uncaring about them.
People need to step away from this whole image of Diana as the poor damsel in distress who “would never hurt a fly,” who only wanted to heal people, who never enjoyed the attention and affection from Kael or Helios. The poor misunderstood girl who “never wanted to be the crown princess” but was mentally abused by Hestia.
It’s ridiculous to hold onto that image when every chapter shows the opposite. When Hestia herself gave multiple opportunities for Diana to change. But Diana refused.
Diana begged her not to tell Helios in the first place, ave why would a crown princess listen to a stranger in the first place, a stranger she hates? stop sympathizing with the girl who literally let Hestia die in her previous life and never fully thought that she did anything wrong bc she was to pretentious- when she did lots and lots of wrongs to people other than nobles.
Sympathizing with Diana is perfectly fine, thats how you read and connect with literature on a deeper level past just the surface, by sympathizing and trying to understand things from the characters perspective
Yeah that would be If there’s depth, but there’s not she’s just a creepy weirdo
Also she literally stopped serving the poor and only started serving nobles while trying to tell the nobles they should live in frugality. She’s cooked
Saying there's no depth to her character is insane btw. She's a saintess who's wrestling with her moral beliefs and her upbringing that shes known all of her life in comparison with the new life shes had to grow into and adjust to as an adult. It results in her overall feeling very cold and callous while having overreactions to things that possibly even slightly challenge her faith that shes already sensitive about (aka the situation with kael.)
She tries to balance on the knife edge of being the queen while also being the devout saintess while not realizing that she cant have both and up to this point shes been acting as a very mindless figure stuck between the crown and the church.
The life shes known since childhood and the life shes trying to grow into. This precarious balance is upset by hestia coming in and taking something she feels, KNOWS, is solely hers which results in her dropping the puppet act and revealing that shes actually a very selfish person.
She now has to wrestle with this side of her she doesn't really know and hasn't really explored very well and we get an upfront seat to how a selfish sheltered woman who has gotten almost everything she wanted and was raised as a savior who could do no wrong deals with feelings of envy, jealousy and possessiveness. And it's poorly to be expected.
We see how she tries to shut out the unfamiliar feeling along with the person causing it, and we also see how she tries to overcompensate by becoming overly sensitve to any sort of criticism by any one at all.
It gets to the point where even when she tries to help the commoners and admonish the nobles it goes incredibly wrong. Even though shes trying to help.
If we really want to get down to it Diana is one of the most complicated people in this book. Shes in one of the most difficult positions out of all of the characters and I think the writer did as well as writing her in depth as they could for a romance manwha thats not focused on her.
There's so much desperation and emotion put into her character and looking deeper into that isn't wrong id argue she's one of the best characters to empathize with
Nah she’s no depth she’s not trying to help she’s part of the problem
Literacy is at an all time low and it shows. Adversary character immediately = no depth. Lord help the kids, re open the schools, roll back the book ban this is actually terrible.
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I do feel a bit sorry for Diana, but the truth is even if Hestia manipulated her, it was Diana who choose to do what she did. She could choose differently and none of H's manipulation would work then. H's was able to manipulate her cz she counted on Diana's selfishness and it worked bcz Diana was the kind of a person Hestia thought her to be. So even though H is not a kind person either, being kind, forgiving and selfless in such a situation would not get you far, nothing she did would work if D was a kind and selfless person she pretended to be. Cz it was clear that her reasons for reacting the way she did were not due to her being naive but due to her never stepping down from her pedestal and self analysing. The king was wrong too, he should have talked to her as a father and point out her mistakes, kindly but strictly. The prince did try, but he should have started earlier, maybe. Anyway despite all that in the last chapters when she was abused but still kept silent and then cried so heartwrenchedly when the man she had loved moved on, i did feel sorry for her. I choose to believe that she realised her mistakes, will do better in the future and find her own happiness.
I feel super duper bad for Diana. Like she obviously was spoiled and naive, plus the king forcing helios to put up with her no matter what obviously made her worse. Also Hestia would be a stalker weirdo creep if she was a man.