lyrica would spit on everyone hating her mom

FINALLY! SOMEONE WITH READING COMPREHENSION! Apathy is not kewl people!

She let her daughter die mind you. Burn to death. Felt relieved it wasn't her. Watched her burn and die.
No matter her growth, she let her daughter die i just cant get over that

lyrica was hung not burned, and in the recent chapter it does show that lydia burst into tears and made an attempt to go back, showing her thoughts of being unable to send her child off like that. (though we’ll have to wait for more context to see if she’s actually able to, but i thinkk she does given the direction it’s going in, and it could be how she gets caught and burnt at the stake).

Literally said by OP: GROWTH AND CHANGE. It's not no matter her growth - it matters you just don't understand it and refuses to do so.

You must be fun at parties (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

I am as long as they dont try to kill me

too late get over here

Most children love their abusive mother.

because they see and understand their struggle. it obviously doesn’t make the parents actions okay, and had lydia not changed this should’ve been heavily discouraged, but lydia DID change, that’s the point.

“See and understand their struggle” This is so completely wrong holy shit, it’s cause of their attachment, bonding, and their development. In their eyes, abuse is normal and that makes them confused. They tend to justify the abuse and blame themselves, because they can’t compute the idea of their parent simply hating them for existing.

No amount of “struggle” ever justifies abuse. You can argue that she changed or whatever, but nothing justifies what she did to her daughter.

you make a pretty great point, but it depends on the case. and in my personal experience, and the experience represented by lyrica, she’s shown to understand her mothers struggle and the reason behind her actions and love her despite it, even if nothing reasoning could justify it.

did you read my response? i never said it her struggle justifies her actions, neither does changing for the better. however as a child that loves and understands her parent, its lyrica’s choice to forgive her. as a person who relates to lyrica’s abuse and the love of their parent in spite of it, its infuriating to see people being unable to accept it and the second chance given to the mother. as a story about redemption, it might just not be for you.

to add, people who live by this strict moral code for others with no consideration for nuances or complexities are typically people who have never experienced true rock bottom and extreme struggle themselves. things aren’t black and white in the world.

a starving person isn’t concerned with the ethical ramifications of stealing from a small, struggling business, their focus is on survival.

none of it truly excuses it or justifies it, but it allows for compassion and understanding.

in any case what’s important is how they move going forward, and if they’re putting the work into changing. that doesn’t mean that you NEED to forgive them obviously, but this is representative of the people who do forgive. cutting contact and wishing hell on them isn’t the only “correct” option.

Abuse will never receive compassion or understanding from me, regardless of what someone has endured. Harming a child is an intentional act; it cannot be accidental. Comparing this to a starving person stealing is not even remotely comparable. Neither alcoholism nor past trauma would be accepted as a defence in the court of law for child abuse.

It also doesn’t “depend on the case.” This manhwa is very realistic in showing that children can still love and remain attached to abusive parents; that’s a well-documented psychological reality. What isn’t realistic is framing the abuse as the result of the parents “struggle” and expecting a child like Lyrica to understand or accept that reasoning. Children don’t contextualize abuse through adult explanations like stress or hardship; they lack the cognitive and emotional distance for that. Instead, they tend to internalize blame, normalize the behavior, or remain attached out of dependency. Using “struggle” as an explanation shifts responsibility away from the abuser in a way a child would not realistically process.

I mean, you do you, it was just ironic to me seeing the whole “Lyrica would punt you for saying she deserves better” take, when that reaction is actually very common among abused children, especially toward their mothers. They often defend them, even when they’ve been harmed. The Gabriel Fernandez case is a well-known example of this, where he continued to blame his father rather than his mother despite severe abuse. It’s a tragic but very real pattern.

"where he continued to blame his father rather than his mother despite severe abuse from both sides."

Woops, just a correction. Made it seem like just the mother was abusive; there's a reason the stepdad was sent to death row.

lyrica died loving her mother dearly until she was older, so because of that your point just ultimately falls flat. it’s the case for younger children.

“stealing is an intentional act, it cannot be accidental, regardless of what someone endured.” see how these words could easily be applied to what you claim isn’t comparable?

i’m making the comparison because lyrica was doing what she could to survive after her rock bottom, it’s not a perfect analogy, but it’s still the general idea, lydia was 16 when she had lyrica. to add, lydia has been implied to have never physically harmed lyrica. in the chapter where you see lyrica flinch, it’s because she’s reminded of the apartment owner, you can see his faint image drawn there. that means that all of her mothers outbursts while drunk were senseless rambling from someone struggling, and she slowly got more and more corrupted when nobles began to groom her. the court of law is not a perfect system so this is just a dumb statement, a starving person would still go to jail for stealing from the wrong person.

yes it does depend on the case, and as an example of it, you cannot just dismiss my experiences because you personally don’t agree.

my aunt beat me in high stress situations and her way of teaching was to degrade me until i got it right, she has also publicly shamed me in school in front of friends on multiple occasions. you’re right that a kid will not understand every single layer, but they understand the general idea. children aren’t as stupid as you think, they pick up on these things. her beating me and degrading me will never be excused or justified, but i was able to forgive her because i personally witnessed how she would sacrifice herself to the point of being thin in order to feed us.
in mexico this cycle goes back only more extreme.

that said i didnt just sit and accept it most times either, i fought with her a lot growing up because of it.

if my aunt who beat me came to me one day and heavily repented, then single-handedly turned me into the richest spoiled little girl in the planet, and CONTINUED to change after recognizing that meeting materialistic needs isn’t enough so we can be happy, and some jackass came buzzing in my ear with “fuck her! you deserve better! who cares if she was struggling! you should’ve been born with someone perfect who loved you *correctly* from the start!”, then 6 year old me would’ve still punted you. it’s a spit in the face to the collective struggle we faced and the immeasurable strength needed on both ends to overcome them and be happy together.


(i may have gotten personally heated in this so just ignore that, you have a right to your own opinion and i respect a lot of your points. they were very informative and gave me a thoughtful perspective that i appreciate, i’ll be sure to check out the case you mentioned for deeper understanding as well!)

oh my god lydia is the mothers name, sorry if i accidentally put lyrica instead, i hope it isn’t too confusing.