Says the one who has read yaoi with just as much morally gray or twisted plotlines...And so far the only disgusting thing are the mother's actions...Like as someone who reads Yaoi, Yuri and straight webtoon's I don't understand why the straight ones always get more lashings the moment they go off truck from the usual stuff...
Girl fym more lashings if you read all that yaoi you would understand that all the top choices have had fucked comment sections and wars about how nasty they are for romanticising rape. So what if you read fucked up shit, the comments here are disgusting and these women speak like men. These two have got nothing to do with one another. Yeonwoo got drugged, sexually assaulted, slapped, sexually assaulted again and these hoes are saying what an iconic girl boss Rosa is for doing this or how sexy Yeonwoo's sobbing face looks like. This is not empowerment.
I’m quite lost on why people cannot seem to realize that reading smth does not indicate you should support or promote its views. If smth is fucked up, it’s fucked up, regardless of what orientation it contains. Commentator does not seem to realize the point of my comment is the fact that all the comments are clearly defending SA/rape/abuse. Separate fiction from reality but have awareness of what’s good and bad. Intelligence and moral guidelines seem to be a rarity nowadays. Also, the reason I said this manhwa is disgusting is because unlike a lot of other ones, the main perspective IS the abuser.
Just realized my reply sounds like it’s referencing you—my bad queen, just really agreeing with you and pointing out the other insane comments here.
Nope. Some popular manhwas aren’t getting even half the backlash they deserve and are just as bad if not worse than this yet people conveniently ignore that in the comments. And yes Yeonwu is obviously a victim I never said otherwise. The mother, the gardener, etc. are the perpetrators.
The author literally said they wanted to reverse the usual roles but people would rather scream “disgusting” and other insults than engage with the actual story. I just prefer analyzing narrative intent and structure instead of reducing everything to insults, even when the material is uncomfortable.
The conversation fails in this comment section not because the story is complex but because the discourse refuses to be.
No one here is arguing that reading something means endorsing it that’s a strawman. I agree that fiction should be separated from reality with moral awareness. The issue is that many people skip the awareness part and jump straight to outrage!
I’ve already acknowledged that Yeonwu is a victim and that the abuse is wrong. What I’m criticizing is not people calling the content disturbing but the comment section that either flatten the entire narrative into shock value or actively eroticize the abuse or just focus on the taboo and ignore the rest.
Separating fiction from reality doesn’t mean disengaging your brain. It means reading critically not emotionally. That's all. Anyway your comment wasn't even that bad compared to others and I did reply on some more yesterday...
Girl dw im on your side and completely agree with everything that you’re saying bc there’s so many double standards for yaoi and yuri fans and i read them too. You’re better off having more intellectual conversations with ppl on bato bc they actually talk about their opinions, analysis each chapter, and have friendly discussions about agreeing and disagreeing compared to here. It’s def one of the main reasons why I actually like this story bc I find it so interesting when ppl have productive conversations instead of bitching and getting butthurt that someone replied to them Too many ppl rage on here for no reason or just wanna comment how they’re feeling without reading it for a second time it didn’t use to be like this smh.
I’m so sorry, but I’m really lost on your take here. (1) Yes, fiction should be separated from reality, and that applies to outrage, although outrage is justified, especially this early in the story. (2) You did not acknowledge the abuse component, at least in your reply to me, as you said the mother is only the real abuser here. (3) Yes, I agree with your commentary on the comment section, yet that was not at all what you said in your initial reply. (4) Yes, but separating from reality when reading stories can still incite emotional responses, that’s the whole reason why we read in the first place. Reading critically and emotionally go hand in hand together. They will never be separate, Readers are entitled to averse reactions they may have even though they can separate fiction from reality and analyze an author’s intentions for the storyline. (5) My comment wasn’t bad. At all. (6) I’ll stop replying here, I don’t think it’s worth the discourse.
I understand the confusion, so allow me to clarify. While I did not explicitly mention the abuse component in my reply to you I have addressed it elsewhere in this comment section. Naturally I would not expect you to be aware of that. However, not stating something in a particular reply does not necessarily mean it is unacknowledged that was an assumption on your part.
My initial response was less about disputing readers’ emotional reactions and more about the language used to describe the story particularly the term “disgusting” which struck me as aligned with other remarks dismissing the narrative as wasted potential.
I did state earlier that stories of this nature should be approached critically rather than emotionally. That was not meant to deny that readers experience emotional reactions while reading but to emphasize the importance of analysis over immediate moral outrage particularly at this early stage of the narrative since we have yet to see their real intentions and faces. So far out of the main characters we have only seen the ugly side of the mother on the most part and when it comes to Rosa and Yeonwu we have only had glimpses. And to me Rosa is a very complex character so I can't just box her under the term of abuser likewise Yeonwu though a victim has also little awareness of how much his actions affect and hurt Rosa and only seems to care to fulfill his dream of having a family. But anyway that's another topic of discussion all together.
To conclude I did not consider your comment especially severe it was comparatively mild as I said before. I was simply frustrated after encountering numerous harsh or brainless comments when I came to check whether the hiatus had ended and my response was shaped by that context.
Thank you. Unfortunately, I usually read here and don’t have an account on Bato though I may end up creating one. I’ve been writing discussion posts for this manhwa as I do for others analyzing the chapters is always a fun part for me because I find the story genuinely interesting. The issue is that more often than not I receive likes but no responses. It didn’t used to be like this to this extent. I truly miss the debates and thoughtful conversations...
Your reading list ia literally full of rapey yaoi stories, don't be such an hypocrite
Ok, yes, completely understanding where you’re coming from love. And I completely see your point of view. To each to their own, I said the story was disgusting as an emotional response (which I believe to still be valid in the sense that, from my end, it wasn’t wasted potential but rather the fact it is written from the perspective of the “abuser” so far rather than the abused, so we really get to see how someone with little power is treated like an ant in a big family). While Rosa is a complex character, I still think her actions are way out of line and inherently driven by selfishness. Perhaps it would’ve been clearer to say I find the majority characters disgusting/vile in their actions. It’s an intriguing story otherwise, just not for me. Additionally, the disgusting comment was more leaning heavily toward the comment section who were defending actions of clear abuse other than the actual story, but I can definitely see how you thought otherwise because my comment wasn’t clear and the latter half of the comment was more of an afterthought if anything. I have nothing against the story, I just think any story I read with this type of perspective is not for me, regardless of orientation. Glad we were able to see a middle ground though!
Hey @LoveLover, who graciously replied to my comment! Wanted to help you out a bit. First, fiction can be separated from reality <3. Just because I may read something morally dubious does not mean I condone character actions! A little concerned on what that implies about yourself, since you took the time out of your day to defend this story and the characters (uh oh!). So so interesting that you have this in your bio “while reading If you are part of the ‘Don’t like it don't read it’ babe, you're not on an heavier or darker side of sexuality and kink. You're just a predator. Bc guess what : rape is not hot.” Odd that you’re reading this story and replying to my comment then! Should I be calling you a hypocrite as well? Second, I’ve already clarified that I was talking in reference to the characters instead of the story as an independent piece of work. Third, thanks for blocking me! Wouldn’t want to interact with anyone with the comprehension skills of a roach.
And to your point here: “That was not meant to deny that readers experience emotional reactions while reading but to emphasize the importance of analysis over immediate moral outrage particularly at this early stage of the narrative since we have yet to see their real intentions and faces.” I’m afraid that this is probably the one point we will disagree on this. While I see what you mean, I think moral outrage is to be expected at this stage of the story because we don’t have their real intentions or faces yet. The narrative is lined up this way to shock value, and readers can follow the authors intentions and react with moral outrage rather than look at the “importance of analysis.” A lot of readers read for emotional value, and I don’t think we should condemn those who do that. There’s no right or wrong way to read. TBH this whole comment section is crazy to me because other than those defending the abusive actions of characters in this story, most of us are on the same side of the coin but with different reading styles. Some look at the comment section as their personal board for bouncing off their emotional thoughts (which I did here!) or some look at it to have analytical debates. Neither are wrong, that’s really just what the comment section is for.
I completely agree, and I see some weirdos going around saying that it's all the people who read yaoi/yuri, like bro? So she's a baddie if she slaps the guy? Be fr, misandrist ass. I haven't seen one quality in this fuck ass of mc which screams girlboss to me. And it should be okay here since it happens a lot in yaoi/yuri? Like wtf are u even on, it wasn't okay there nor is it okay here and the way they keep on saying "rapey shit" about yaoi(which I do agree that, yaoi has a lot of r*pe, but it's the fact that they keep replying to people about this who don't like this manga), i think they're just mad cuz they want it in straight manhwas where the guy gets molested, seriously disgusting
Trueeeeee!!!! Comment section is disgusting coz ppl are so weird with insane logic??? You read yaoi so you should be fine with this too um like what??? As if one can't complain bad components in both kinds of genre nxt not read this story yet so can't comment but looking at the comment section i believe I'd rather marinate it n come back later.
Comment section actually disgusting, so is this manhwa tho tbh